NO GROUP WANTS SAM FOR DSR WITHOUT LOGS??

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

Without even looking at the colored number, I would refuse OP's application on the simple basis that they lack experience.
It's understanble why they would check the colored numbers as you have nothing to back-up any experience.

Their argument may be against ToS, but even without the colored number arguments, I would look for a better candidate.
You may want to gain experience through UCOB/UWU/TEA before aiming at DSR.

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But there is another issue, a relatively new player might still be good, but getting into a group can be difficult since all of them look for that same experience. Which you can barely get if barely anyone plays the required content (let alone that you need to beat it with randoms because of them). I have tried many times to even get into extremes, but after queues of 30 minutes still couldnt get in (as a healer if thats relevant).

How can you prove things if you simply cannot play the content that is required as proof? The moment EW comes out, the ShB content suddenly gets a lot less attention. And for ShB, SB was a requirement. This isolates a lot of players.

This is where the issue starts. Recruitment itself should simply be better, and tools for that just have to exist to allow players to prove they are worthy.

Currently the best option is to find a discord channel that organizes these things with randoms, and even though it has a lesser chance of success, enough attempts should give you enough completions.

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Originally Posted by UkcsAlias

But there is another issue, a relatively new player might still be good, but getting into a group can be difficult since all of them look for that same experience. Which you can barely get if barely anyone plays the required content (let alone that you need to beat it with randoms because of them). I have tried many times to even get into extremes, but after queues of 30 minutes still couldnt get in (as a healer if thats relevant).

How can you prove things if you simply cannot play the content that is required as proof? The moment EW comes out, the ShB content suddenly gets a lot less attention. And for ShB, SB was a requirement. This isolates a lot of players.

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While it's true previous content gets less attention, this is not the case for ultimate that is still being progged.
Even as today, there are groups trying to find member to clear UCOB and UWU, or trying to tackle them all one after another.
And when I mean today, I literally mean within the hour, multiple groups looking for members for UWU and UCOB.
Within the days, groups looking for member for TEA.

If you want to prove your capacity with savage only, you want a fast prog to prove you're a fast learner.
Fast prog also proves you are able to pull a good DPS.

There will be some static that will agree to let the player proves themselves in a test raid. Those static are OP's best chance and they'd better bring their best.

An application for a roster is just like an application for a job. If there are much better players than you and you're below average, expect a challenging environment.
If you need January, February, March and April to clear Pandaemonium, how long would it need to clear DSR? That's probably the first easy question.

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Originally Posted by UkcsAlias

But there is another issue, a relatively new player might still be good, but getting into a group can be difficult since all of them look for that same experience. Which you can barely get if barely anyone plays the required content (let alone that you need to beat it with randoms because of them). I have tried many times to even get into extremes, but after queues of 30 minutes still couldnt get in (as a healer if thats relevant).

How can you prove things if you simply cannot play the content that is required as proof? The moment EW comes out, the ShB content suddenly gets a lot less attention. And for ShB, SB was a requirement. This isolates a lot of players.

This is where the issue starts. Recruitment itself should simply be better, and tools for that just have to exist to allow players to prove they are worthy.

Currently the best option is to find a discord channel that organizes these things with randoms, and even though it has a lesser chance of success, enough attempts should give you enough completions.

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I think we're ignoring the fact that requirements differ depending on the job you're playing too. If you're going to take a pure/selfish DPS melee into prog, then the success of the party is REALLY in the hands of how you play. Makes perfect sense that they would want to see that you play well.

On the other hand, with a more "group focused" job, the player's personal performance matters less (not "not at all", just less) so they may be more willing to take someone that isn't 90-99 parsing.

Really though, PF groups exist for Savage content where they can get better, statics are still running older ultimates and will likely try DSR once they finish the older ones.

This is a good analogy:

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

An application for a roster is just like an application for a job. If there are much better players than you and you're below average, expect a challenging environment.

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OP is applying for a Executive level job without having any management experience. You need to climb the ladder and there are plenty of rungs that were skipped, e.g. the older ultimates, perfecting savage for this tier, etc. You're right, they may be an amazing CEO, but nobody is going to be willing to take a chance hiring a retail worker to be the CEO without some experience and proof.

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Originally Posted by Kabouter

I can't get over the fact that every group doing DSR is asking for 80 - 90% parses. How am I supposed to find a DSR static without doing log runs? :mad:

What are the devs planning to do about this? I need an answer please.

Are there no normal groups that give people a chance without having the idiotic mindset that only the top 10% of players can meet the dps check? Actually HILLARIOUS!

This is the pinnacle of stupidity. I can't believe people see this as the only viable metric for giving someone a chance in DSU. 90% of the players with high parses are doing log runs for hours upon hours, how does this make them any better than me or anyone else who play their class at an optimal level?

They literally just do more damage because they handpick their group composition and that entire group dumps all the raid buffs possible on them in a run to give them as high % as possible. I will be waiting for the tryhards telling me this is not true, we are just better that's why our attacks hit harder. LMAO. Go waste your time somewhere else.

But hey... "we don't care let's continue being as selfish as we possibly can and only include the top 10% of players in our groups. We don't care if you do mechanics extremely consistently or if you have an actual working brain and game sense"

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i hate to burst ur bubble, but u r completely wrong

only buffers need to go out of their way to have the highest DPS group (and that hopefully everyone is saving their stuff for buff windows), u as a sam dont give a dusty fuck who is in ur party so long as u get 5% and a decent kill time

getting at least orange is incredibly easy tbh, it just comes down to can u optimise ur rotation (and u need BiS at this point obviously), to be frank 80-90 is a pretty low requirement for how tough DSR is

if u cant get even that u simply do not belong/no semi serious group will take u since that is the only thing one can look at while recruiting

u have to have something on the table urself, cant be expecting groups to take the first person that wants to join

I don't do raiding so I can't exactly understand what's going on, but why is everyone defending the use of parse/combat logs to determine if someone is good enough for the latest ultimate? Regardless of OP's ability, it just seems like arbitrary gatekeeping. Please help me understand what I'm missing.

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Originally Posted by Karious

I don't do raiding so I can't exactly understand what's going on, but why is everyone defending the use of parse/combat logs to determine if someone is good enough for the latest ultimate? Regardless of OP's ability, it just seems like arbitrary gatekeeping. Please help me understand what I'm missing.

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its more of a background check if or when some one did content, it is what most people use it for. and the thing is if there was an official way to check with out so many loops you have to jump though people would do that. its less on the actual parsing part its more of experience because parsing is not as accurate to playing style. cause some people change the jobs rotation a tad to help short comings of the group but in tern can lower parsing.

like last expansion I chose to not do optimal rotations to do the most amount of damage to pick up after my groups short comings(rezing, and tagging trash that is not mine)

Not trying bully anyone into taking me. Are you joking lol? You clearly didn't even read my post. People like you are ruining the game and not giving many good players a chance because all their tiny brains care about is parses from people who spend hours doing log runs like robots. NOTHING skillful about that and it it shouldn't be the only indication that a player knows what they are doing. "I have an entire group buff the hell out of me so that makes me better than the rest". Sure buddy.

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Originally Posted by Kabouter

Not trying bully anyone into taking me. Are you joking lol? You clearly didn't even read my post. People like you are ruining the game and not giving many good players a chance because all their tiny brains care about is parses from people who spend hours doing log runs like robots. NOTHING skillful about that and it it shouldn't be the only indication that a player knows what they are doing. "I have an entire group buff the hell out of me so that makes me better than the rest". Sure buddy.

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As someone said above, by checking your loadstone you've barely cleared any Savage raids, you've not clear any of the pervious Ultimates, plus the fact that SAM is a greedy class with no group synergies leaves you at a place that no one will want to accept you.

If your going to be childish and make a post with a full cap title and then expect people to be sympathetic for your problems while you insult the way that most hard core raiders function then you came to the wrong place.

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Originally Posted by Karious

I don't do raiding so I can't exactly understand what's going on, but why is everyone defending the use of parse/combat logs to determine if someone is good enough for the latest ultimate? Regardless of OP's ability, it just seems like arbitrary gatekeeping. Please help me understand what I'm missing.

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The background check is a fairly good analogy. Pretty much all groups will spend hundreds of hours attempting this fight before they succeed, and even then most will never get to the end(breaking up due to changing time constraints, playstyle differences, or personality differences). The fight itself will require OP to play close to perfectly for 15ish mins - doing all the mechanics without screwing up while keeping up a high level of his DPS rotation(while all 7 of the other players also play just as well). Before committing to potentially spending that much time together, most established groups will want some evidence that you are capable of something close to that level of play. Thats step one. Steps 2 and 3 are usually some sort of interview, and playing with them for a trial(to confirm what you saw in steps 1 and 2). But this is just to join an established static(which, lets face it, can ask whatever they want from people trying to join because its THEIR group). There is nothing in the world stopping the OP from forming a static of his own, attempting to PUG the fight(and hopefully meet players to form a static with), or going back to bolster their "resume" by doing some of the older Ultimate fights.

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Originally Posted by Frizze

The background check is a fairly good analogy. Pretty much all groups will spend hundreds of hours attempting this fight before they succeed, and even then most will never get to the end(breaking up due to changing time constraints, playstyle differences, or personality differences). The fight itself will require OP to play close to perfectly for 15ish mins - doing all the mechanics without screwing up while keeping up a high level of his DPS rotation(while all 7 of the other players also play just as well). Before committing to potentially spending that much time together, most established groups will want some evidence that you are capable of something close to that level of play. Thats step one. Steps 2 and 3 are usually some sort of interview, and playing with them for a trial(to confirm what you saw in steps 1 and 2). But this is just to join an established static(which, lets face it, can ask whatever they want from people trying to join because its THEIR group). There is nothing in the world stopping the OP from forming a static of his own, attempting to PUG the fight(and hopefully meet players to form a static with), or going back to bolster their "resume" by doing some of the older Ultimate fights.

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completely this.
i could apply to most ultimate statics despite me not having cleared any ultimates, i have enough experience since i got logs from stormblood savages, Shadowbringer savages and Endwalker savages, most seeing the curve torwards high blue, high purple in the end (i tend to aim for purple on every fight since it just means I did a good job without relying on RNG DHCRITS)

imagine having someone who does 75% of the DPS required to clear an DPS check, it's possible to still meet it with the others picking up the slack, but is that fair? it isn't in my opinion.
what if someone dies, or gets an damage down (fairly simple in DSR) well, goodbye DPS check because the other 3 DPSers are already performing at the top to carry this person that does below par damage, just a simple fact, combine that with the fact that SAM especially now in 6.1 is extremely selfish, only can use a few set of buffs (only straight up damage buffs, nothing to crit, which is the majority of the raid buffs) and ofcourse, if said person dies once, that's 25% of their total DPS for 2 minutes, they die again? 50% they get a damage down? 50% damage down, it's not like other jobs who bring utility to the table.

OP is being selfish and was hoping for some support, but gets pounded instead xD