They didn't forget about PvP and there is a reason why feedback from this forum usually will not have any meaningful and progressive ideas for development team to use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyrj
Most of post from this forum basically is either ranting or feedback that is very generic (close to nothing that is useful)
Below is the typical feedback from Japanese PvP forum, and it is about Reaper enhancement
It is in a format like a real project proposal, an intro, an explanation on the issue, and propose solution.
In rare case, there are few players able to provide same feedback from this forum, but those usually got bury by others (PvE farmers) pointless ranting
Even this thread, it is totally useless because nothing OP said is authentic.
At every datacenter it is always Melee triumph in the performance and not every one of them has a pocket healer
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Originally Posted by international
Change the name to RangeLines already.
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03-27-2022, 07:27 AMDivinemights
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03-28-2022, 02:09 AMMoonliteQuote:
Originally Posted by Divinemights
The statement about mediocre/half baked is subjective. But the amount of content and effort put into pvp is not. 12/09/2019 was the last significant effort put into pvp. We have received one set of glamour since 2018. Also the nerfed gear to be worthless besides glamour. It has a desynth lvl of 1 and no real grand company turn in. Poetics have been kept valid since ARR and wolf marks have not.
I don't have to write a try hard report to tell them to do more. I might not like what they do (rival wings), but doing one thing in almost four years. What feedback do they need for that? Now if they want to have an open discussion about making more content and what weird back end limitations the game has to work with then fine. Otherwise just do something, anything really. -
03-29-2022, 05:56 AMIxon
While I agree SE, the dev team, and the GM team has dropped the ball quite a bit when it comes specifically to PVP in FFXIV, I understand from Yoshi 's point of view that it's an uphill battle. PVP isn't popular amongst the players who play this game. Not because they hate THIS specific PVP, but because they do not like PVP in general. Your standard, everyday, run of the mill player who plays FFXIV isn't doing it for the PVP(minus the exp from a daily roulette), no matter how good it is. They want an easy going, slow paced game where they can do a dungeon or two, farm a fate, do a side quest, RP in a house, etc. So right off the bat you are already pushing funds and dev time into a unpopular game mode. Then there are the issues with this games backbone not made with PVP in mind, they make a large scale mode that's 1v1v1 to step away from the 1v1 but that makes it's own problems, you make a competitive mode on this busted backbone that isn't moderated well and most casuals complain about, then when you put in cool rewards for people who enjoy PVP you get 10+ threads on how people think those rewards shouldn't be locked to pvp, etc.
Then your game blows up, people singing praise left and right, but every article has the same line saying that the PVP is lackluster at best. That's honestly my tin foil hat reason why we are getting as much as mentioned come 6.1. They probably know their PVP isn't great, but with it being unpopular content, it's hard to rationalize money and dev time into it. Though they also know it's one of the bigger points preventing their game from appealing to EVERY type of player, hence why we are getting a new small scale mode and them trying their hands at a PVP season that more games have been adopting for the past few years. Despite this, I personally hold on to some faith(or copium) that Crystal Conflict might be good. You can see a trend between the maps and game modes of Feast and Frontlines of "Let's try this, or this, that didn't work, let's do this" when you compare Onsal to Secure or the Crystal Tower Training Grounds to The Feasting Grounds with usual, not always, improvements along the way. Even from what little we know, we know that they are addressing queue times and role balancing issues by making it role-less, and addressing people complaining about the rewards with a Series Pass while also retaining competitive Season rewards. We'll just have to wait to see how much they have learned from past mistakes and pray for more dev and GM interaction this time around. -
03-29-2022, 11:27 PMSinstrel
For the past 7 years, SE keeps trying to re-invent the wheel when it comes to PvP instead of providing a game mode that has proven success. They also try to treat PvP as PvE MSQ/Casual content by diluting the skill level to the point it is easily accessible to anyone, instead of just simply adding a match-making rating system. Much of the FFXIV community dislikes PvP because it is simply not fun.
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03-30-2022, 03:56 AMForbiddenMonk
lol Range were OP in 3.0, trust me, Range are no where near as powerful as they were. A skilled bard would be able to take out a warrior, kite the crap out of any melee back then. A Machinist burst was enough to take out your hp pool.
PVP has definitely balanced out more.
Currently a (skilled)Melee can easily win a 2(range) vs 1(melee) match straight up.
Get to know your job better, optimize what 2 PVP OGCDs works well for your jobs playing style.
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04-01-2022, 01:09 PMChasingstarsDragoons in frontlines play more like a ranged dps that throws spears, occasionally jumps, and uses their aoe combo ability to activate their life of the dragon. There is very little incentive to go into actual melee unless your picking off someone who strayed too far away from their group. And the only other time your realistically using your melee combo ability is if a tank moved up close. Most dragoons I have seen never get close enough to actually fight them proper they mostly stick to their group.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForbiddenMonk
Frontlines is more about staying in a deathball, and unless you can overwhelm an enemy player easily due to them either having lower battle high (or none), you don't go away from your group unless your group is getting too close to danger territory. -
04-01-2022, 03:10 PMIxonAs a tank; Rampart + Retaliation, run in, spin to win will Rampart falls off, ez top damage while soaking most CC's from the enemy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chasingstars
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04-02-2022, 09:36 AMChasingstarsExactly, tanks are an exception. They are built to withstand punishment. For melee dps its more risky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ixon
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04-03-2022, 04:18 AMIxonOf course it is. It's made that way. A battle high melee DPS is the strongest threat on a battlefield more than any other role. High risk, High reward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chasingstars
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04-03-2022, 09:18 AMChasingstarsAhem...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ixon
Do you disagree with this statement? As this is my talking point you are arguing against as you chattered on about tanks.Quote:
Dragoons in frontlines play more like a ranged dps that throws spears, occasionally jumps, and uses their aoe combo ability to activate their life of the dragon. There is very little incentive to go into actual melee unless your picking off someone who strayed too far away from their group.