SE thanks for making this event not gender locked

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Originally Posted by Doozer

Why are you like.... so mad. People are saying "hey thanks for letting us wear both of these in identical ways regardless of character gender" and you're getting all ruffled about how there's no reason to thank SE for that? I hope you don't see everything this negatively.

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Why are you assuming that the poster you quoted is mad? They're expressing an opinion in a perfectly reasonable manner. Not everything has to be some deep slight. :(

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Last year's flower crowns were essentially gender-locked. The base designs are different, and the male version is fully dyeable while half the flowers on the female version are permanently bright pink.

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I don't understand the intention behind gender locking these at all. They're both flower crowns, look very similar and have the same basic shape. They could have made the playerbase even more happy by letting both genders use each of them.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I don't understand the intention behind gender locking these at all. They're both flower crowns, look very similar and have the same basic shape. They could have made the playerbase even more happy by letting both genders use each of them.

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I agree, and I feel like they badly limited the usability of the crowns by implementing them as they did.

Without getting into whys and why nots, it is relatively rare for male characters to use flower decorations even if they can.

Female characters would be more likely to use it on a variety of outfits "just because", but their use is limited by whether the pink coordinates or clashes with the rest of it.

(Meanwhile, the normal flower pins are even more limited by having overbright colours that clash with prettymuch everything in existence.)

Yeah the flower crown thing was weird. It's just a flower crown, so there was no reason for them to be different models that dye differently. Gender locking is weird.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

Yeah the flower crown thing was weird. It's just a flower crown, so there was no reason for them to be different models that dye differently. Gender locking is weird.

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I didn't think there was anything particularly odd about it. I'm quite pleased that they were designed with different aesthetics and dye patterns in mind.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

Why are you like.... so mad. People are saying "hey thanks for letting us wear both of these in identical ways regardless of character gender" and you're getting all ruffled about how there's no reason to thank SE for that? I hope you don't see everything this negatively.

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... How could you possible think I'm "so mad" for pointing out how silly this is?

1 year ago we got a flower crown for this event. It's the same for both genders, dudes get some extra blue flowers that wont dye and more of their base flowers dye. This is apparently "essentially gender-locked" to this person.
This year women get a hair pin with 5 flowers themed after the event where as dudes get a hair pin with ...3 flowers and said flowers are completely different compared to the female version. Is this not "essentially gender-locked"? To me I'd consider neither gender locked as I pointed out before but apparently only 1 is to these people.

Given that males can wear every crafted flower hair pin (and we just got Hyacinth Corsage to remind people that crafted flower pins are a thing) and there's no thematic connection between flowers and monocles ... why wouldn't both genders get both? How poorly do you think of the devs to think that a mirrored flower pin would be female only?

Feel like gender lock outrage has become a new meme after the Valentines Day. Ignoring that this event is legit how they have done things for the longest time in order to fake praise for unfounded-n-silly fear in a flower pin/ monocle being gendered is ever so strange.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

1 year ago we got a flower crown for this event. It's the same for both genders, dudes get some extra blue flowers that wont dye and more of their base flowers dye. This is apparently "essentially gender-locked" to this person.

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Well it is...male and female characters got different rewards. That's literally the definition of gender locking.

I like how you say it's the same flower crown for both genders and then proceed to point out how the male version is different.

Yes! I knew this topic would pop up XD! Ooooh, my brother owes me 5$ now.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Well it is...male and female characters got different rewards. That's literally the definition of gender locking.

I like how you say it's the same flower crown for both genders and then proceed to point out how the male version is different.

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No, they didn't get "different rewards". They both get a flower crown. It looks slightly different on men, but it's the same thing, a flower crown.
Much like how with this event the under shirts are different though everything about the concept is the same. Or like how the Dalmascan Draped Top looks different on men and women. It's cause the devs actually think about making changes to a design that suit an aesthetic.

You're in a thread praising the devs for not gender locking this item ... that looks different on both genders

Again I quote myself.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

(Unless you think I can't count that dudes get 3 flowers compared to the female 5 ... or tell that these flowers are fairly different flowers ...).

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So this is gender locked to you?

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

This year women get a hair pin with 5 flowers themed after the event where as dudes get a hair pin with ...3 flowers and said flowers are completely different compared to the female version. Is this not "essentially gender-locked"? To me I'd consider neither gender locked as I pointed out before but apparently only 1 is to these people.

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To a degree, yes. The exact designs can only be worn by the gender of your character. (I haven't seen the male version of it yet, besides what could be seen on the icon picture, but the flowers didn't look that different.)

The flower crown is a more notable difference in design, because it affects how you can use the item and how it can be coordinated into a glamour.

For example, I made this outfit for my male Elezen using the flower crown.

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...41bd3fdc14.jpg

It works because the dyed flowers tone in with the reds and browns of the clothing.

A female character cannot use the same flower crown in an equivalent outfit because the flowers are permanently pink.

Likewise, an outfit that relied on a contrast between pink and blue flowers could only be worn by a female character because that effect cannot be achieved with the male crown.

The fully-dyeable crown is locked to male characters. The contrasting-colour crown is locked to female characters.

But for the corsages, assuming they dye the same (I haven't yet checked), the difference between three flowers and five flowers is unlikely to have the same impact on the overall look of an outfit.