SCH in 5.0 via MrHappy's Healer Video

I was debating if I should even reply...I know there is a big rage for healers going on and anyone that posts something positive just gets shit on, but I'm going to take the chance.

It appears like SE wants to reduce the AoE output of healers, obviously. So removing Bane/Miasma 2 seems pretty logical and replacing it with Art of War, 150 potency AoE. WHM's Holy is 140 potency now and has a cast time. Having both Bane and Miasma 2 ontop of AoE would have been way too much AoE dps compared to WHM/AST. Since SCH are so keen on keeping Miasma 2, they can just reduce the potency of AoW and give it a DoT effect to make up for the missing potency.

And yes, I feel people are going to point out that WHM get Misery, but that would be once every 90 seconds so it isn't spammable vs a SCH being able to spam Miasma 2/AoW/Bane

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Originally Posted by TraeSnow

I was debating if I should even reply...I know there is a big rage for healers going on and anyone that posts something positive just gets shit on, but I'm going to take the chance.

It appears like SE wants to reduce the AoE output of healers, obviously. So removing Bane/Miasma 2 seems pretty logical and replacing it with Art of War, 150 potency AoE. WHM's Holy is 140 potency now and has a cast time. Having both Bane and Miasma 2 ontop of AoE would have been way too much AoE dps compared to WHM/AST. Since SCH are so keen on keeping Miasma 2, they can just reduce the potency of AoW and give it a DoT effect to make up for the missing potency. Also, would Bane even be with it now that SCH still has 1 DoT? Spreading 1 DoT with significant reduction after the first target just doesn't seem that beneficial.

And yes, I feel people are going to point out that WHM get Misery, but that would be once every 90 seconds so it isn't spammable vs a SCH being able to spam Miasma 2/AoW/Bane

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You seem to be arguing in good faith so I'll respond. I can respond as a SCH because this is what I've mained for a long time.

Lets start with the spread one dot via Bane position you think is a bad thing. The wonderful thing about a SCH's kit in SB and before is you had a lot of multiple things rolling at once and there were different ways to do it. In an AOE situation, you could Miasma 2 first, Weave in Shadowflare, and while those had started some damage, Miasma > Bio > Bane and by that time Miasma 2 was finishing up it's dot duration so you could Miasma 2 again.

Doing similar to that, I would routinely top the damage in aoe situations as a SCH. Now that has something to be said about how bad the DPS I was with, or how they simple refused to AoE for whatever reason, but SCH AOE was REALLY strong. Damage has always been a part of the SCH identity. Since ARR. That was their identity. They were the Red Mages before Red Mage was a thing in FFXIV.

And now that's gone.

However, from what I see about Biolysis, it's essentially very similar to Miasma and Bio combined so pushing one button and bane wouldn't be much of a dps loss than pushing two buttons and bane.

Ideally for decent aoe, we need Miasma 2, Bane, and Energy Drain back. We need some sort of way to dump our stacks that isn't Exco/Lustrate/Indom because people don't need to be healed 100% of the time because people don't need to be at 100% of their HP 100% of the time.

Looking at the MR. Happy Video, WHM were having zero MP issues while BOTH SCH and AST were struggling pretty hard. For SCH Art of War and the lack of Energy Drain to restore mana has a LOT to do with that. That needs to be addressed somehow.

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Originally Posted by TraeSnow

I was debating if I should even reply...I know there is a big rage for healers going on and anyone that posts something positive just gets shit on, but I'm going to take the chance.

It appears like SE wants to reduce the AoE output of healers, obviously. So removing Bane/Miasma 2 seems pretty logical and replacing it with Art of War, 150 potency AoE. WHM's Holy is 140 potency now and has a cast time. Having both Bane and Miasma 2 ontop of AoE would have been way too much AoE dps compared to WHM/AST. Since SCH are so keen on keeping Miasma 2, they can just reduce the potency of AoW and give it a DoT effect to make up for the missing potency.

And yes, I feel people are going to point out that WHM get Misery, but that would be once every 90 seconds so it isn't spammable vs a SCH being able to spam Miasma 2/AoW/Bane

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Honestly I would be very fine with them tuning down the numbers if that means keeping bane and miasma 2. Hell just remove art of war and add these two again ... they can even nerf miasma 2 to art of war levels or worse for all I care. Just give me some complexity.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Looking at the MR. Happy Video, WHM were having zero MP issues while BOTH SCH and AST were struggling pretty hard. For SCH Art of War and the lack of Energy Drain to restore mana has a LOT to do with that. That needs to be addressed somehow.

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For SCH, I wonder how much of that will be this ingrained "Don't use Aetherflow while having stacks, don't overheal" mentality we (logically) have that means we won't use Aetherflow on cooldown for MP recovery. I've been trying to think of an ability SCH could use to burn Aetherflow stacks but not do damage/recover MP (Since SE seems to want neither, with Energy Drain gone) and unless there ends up being a literal "Dump all Aetherflow stacks, gain 10 faerie gauge per stack" skill, I'm just not sure what they would allow that doesn't just...Do more healing. Maybe "Use 1 Aetherflow Stack. Gain 10 Faerie Gauge. Lower Cooldown of Aetherflow by 5 seconds." which would fall under SCH's basics of using Aetherflow strategically, in a sense.

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Originally Posted by IttyBitty

Is there any particular thing that tells you that 5.0 will be more demanding for healing?

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Mr. Happy said he noticed when he was with players (not the trust characters who are designed to take less damage) that damage seemed more intense/frequent and health bars were going down faster, so he asked Yoshi P about this during the opportunity for an interview. The relevant segment run from 3:12 to 5:57 in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uFvDXs-rLk&

More or less from what Happy took away from the answer he received, SE wants healing to matter significantly more, but not to the point where healers never get a chance to deal damage in groups or to a point where new players or new healers are overwhelmed.

Plus from this link to a transcript from a different interview (emphasis in bold added):

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Q: On to the Healers, Scholar seems to have lost a lot of DPSing abilities, we feel like this will be an adjustment where opinions will vary a lot. Can you go into detail on what the thought process was while deciding on changes needed to balance the Healers?

Yoshida: We believe trying to heal as little as possible and DPSing instead isn’t what a Healers role should be, so we adjusted all 3 Healers to be more balanced while keeping their original characteristics alive. Content can be cleared on any of the Healers, but Scholar in particular had a much bigger toolkit for attacking and player feedback on Healers always focused on the ease or difficulty of putting out DPS numbers. This is why we wanted to precisely redefine the role a Healer has while balancing all 3 and then giving them characteristics through their attacks. A big part was that we sorted out the remainders you had as a Scholar from being an Arcanist first. Please try to look at the changes as us trying to balance Scholar as a Healer and not just trying to lower the DPS output of a Scholar.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

And why is Art of War not only higher than the others MP wise, but also it's animation is terrible too.

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its also just the pvp SCH skill animation

just wanted to point that out

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Originally Posted by Duskane

its also just the pvp SCH skill animation

just wanted to point that out

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Yes, that's it!!! I was trying to remember why it looked so familiar. A copy of Aura Blast. Lame.

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Originally Posted by tinythinker

Plus from this link to a transcript from a different interview (emphasis in bold added):

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I swear they have no idea how SCH worked...

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Originally Posted by Morzy

Ah yes I did consider if bio and Bio2 were even still there, but at 12:29 in the video I linked it DOES in fact still show bio and Bio2 there. Maybe this was unintended, but I'm drawing my judgment from the gameplay that was available to people like MrHappy.

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Do you mean in the class action window? I only see Biolysis on his bars.

I do have a question. I'm sort of confused on how the new fairy actions are going to work. In any of the videos that show the skills tool tips, the fairy actions all/mostly say "cannot be assigned to a hot bar."

So, are they just going to operate like how Eos operates currently on Sic - aka blowing Whispering Dawn when no one's taken any damage?