How can we make Bards and Machinist better?

We. Are. Not. Utility!
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Yeah, BRD and MCH are in such a bad place when world first groups bring one (or both!) to progression. Sounds like bad people are just bad to me.

Sure, there are little things that all jobs could use, but none are completely broken right now. It's mostly down to player skill.

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Originally Posted by Kayote

We. Are. Not. Utility!
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And if you don't sing, don't be mad when you're excluded. Your utility is why people bring you to a fight.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

And if you don't sing, don't be mad when you're excluded.

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I do sing, and Ninja's Goad and Smokescreen, MNK's Mantra, and DRG's Battle Litany ... none lose DPS for it

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Your utility is why people bring you to a fight.

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Glad you see the problem...

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Originally Posted by Kayote

We. Are. Not. Utility!
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Near the whole of your 30~50 Bard abilities would disagree with you rather vehemently. Further, given there's only one other Jobs able to do what Bard does further illustrates it. Yes, Bard and Machinist queue as DDs but that's because the Jobs have to do something when not providing support. And DDing is much better than just twidling your thumbs waiting on someone to request a song.

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Originally Posted by Kayote

We. Are. Not. Utility!
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*facepalm* Just because you are labeled as DPS in the trinity doesn't mean you don't have a supportive role in party content.

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Originally Posted by Kayote

Glad you see the problem...

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Not really a problem. It means you're needed, such as how MNKs were always brought along with BRDs simply due to Dragon Kick and Mantra.

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Originally Posted by Fuma

Do people still not realize that groups are clearing Savage with not just a bard or machinist but with BOTH in the party? Stop crying and learn to play your job better. Current leader in world first progression for savage uses a machinst and a bard...

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Not saying you're wrong but I'm not seeing a machinist in that picture.

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Originally Posted by DefendPopPunk

Not saying you're wrong but I'm not seeing a machinist in that picture.

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Woman in front with the gun on her back.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

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Originally Posted by DefendPopPunk

Not saying you're wrong but I'm not seeing a machinist in that picture.

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Woman in front with the gun on her back.

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^this

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