I miss the sense of adventure and danger in MMOs.

This game is a hub game where the open world is just prop when lvling,
it is not going to change. Wait for Everquest Next instead because they seem to want to create a game for those who enjoy adventure, exploration and the open world. They will probably be dumb like SE and not have a claiming system so everything gets zerged but aside from that it looks good.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

FFXI never had a dangerous world.

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You obviously never played FFXI or got very far.

I would kill for Castle Zvahl or Sea/Sky or the other various maze/caverns you could get lost in or run into NM's.

FFXIV has none of this.

I wish some adventure like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXDM...&feature=share

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Originally Posted by Seraphyna

You obviously never played FFXI or got very far.

I would kill for Castle Zvahl or Sea/Sky or the other various maze/caverns you could get lost in or run into NM's.

FFXIV has none of this.

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I played it for 7 years and had multiple 75s. The world was never truly dangerous. Even places like Castle Zvhal, Ru'Aun, and Al'Taieu weren't really that dangerous. You learned how mobs aggroed and took the appropriate steps to avoid them or you made liberal use of sneak/invisible. The only hard part was trying to find a safe spot to reapply sneak/invis or the rare True Sight mob you had to avoid. Zones weren't dangerous, they were a tedious exercise in patience.

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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltzkin

Wait for Everquest Next

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Don't.

EQN is becoming too much of a Unicorn. Go check out Landmark (you know, what they're using as a base to develop EQN) before you make judgment on how awesome EQN is going to be. Too many issues have arised of late for any of us to hold that game out as a final beacon of hope. Storybricks is gone. 'DayBreak' is no longer SoE, and no longer belongs to Sony. Dave Georgeson is no longer on project, not even with the studio anymore for that matter. Not to mention emergent AI is really just a clusterfuck of tangled webs when you sit down and really start to think about it. I mean they had some amazing ideas and their pitch two years ago was very inspiring... But then we've heard absolutely nothing but bad news since then... SO... I wouldn't count on it.


For the OP (On topic):

I miss the old days of MMOs. I've played online since I was a teenager, I'm 36 now, so I've ran the gambit here. Things were a lot different back then. We didn't have 'gamers' with this sense that the only thing that matters is end game and gear progression. We used to be in it for the adventure. We used to be in it for the community. Not really anymore. I have a lot of fond memories of games like Everquest, Ultima Online, FFXI. Knowing one wrong step could be your last. Spending a couple weeks to a month or more to progress just my character. I even miss having a designated puller who wasn't the tank.


I don't miss trains to zone, deleveling because I died. and for the most part I don't miss the unnecessary 'danger'. Mainly because I know we're never going to be compensated for that danger. It's a different time for this genre. Too many people want it easy. Including me. Full time job, family, the works. I don't have the time to spend hours upon hours online gaming anymore like I did back then when I actually enjoyed those things. Now days, if I had to spend 30 to an hour blasting through mobs just to get somewhere, that might be half my play time gone for that day. And for what? So I can feel a little nostalgia meanwhile SE didn't give me anything worthwhile? 1/11119th of a level?

No thanks.

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Originally Posted by Havenae

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This. Finally, someone with a realistic outlook on how things used to be compared to today without all this extra crap in an attempt to fluff up what was now (In the grand scheme of things) a terrible idea.

This is like people talking about how a Gremlin was a bad ass car and deserves a ton of praise compared to the typical Toyota Corolla of today.

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Originally Posted by nuyu11

I wish some adventure like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXDM...&feature=share

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https://youtu.be/9iy4uWEmFnc or loll

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Originally Posted by Saccharin

I don't think that spending longer to get something less as challenging just tedious. I felt the same with Wildstar and just didn't finish my included 30 days.



Ehm, go do Alex savage maybe. Maybe try a hunt with out too many people?

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I lasted two weeks in Wildstar. Just felt like the same old stuff over we've been playing for years.

People seem afraid to let MMOs evolve.

Will never truly happen what with developers catering to people running the game on toasters and thus have to either phase or instance everything

At some point someone figured out that easier = more money