Is it to much to ask SE please let scholars sync better.

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Originally Posted by Vlady

The general consensus in the game so far is white mages are way behind scholars in the power curve and usefulness. Considering having asked over 50 white mages on my server alone and 36 of them admit they go scholar for dungeons and feel that the scholar is more powerful then the white mage it is no wonder some people are worried Astrologian will become their new main in 3.0. White mage has only raw healing as its sticking point. Scholars have superior dps, mitigation cooldowns and stronger heals then white mage and were able to solo heal all content faster and in weaker gear then white mages.

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So wait, this is the same person who in another thread was saying scholar can solo everything. What does it matter then to have them double as they are now?

2 SCH is fine for any content in the game, and having stacking whispering dawn is nice at-least. But this discussion reminded me of a time when I joined in-progress for Shiva EX as SCH and I was told to leave right away by someone saying "We can't do this with 2 SCHs". Well, either the one who left was just very bad and/or the current one. I refused to listen to that non-sense and we cleared it a try later.

Even some content is better with 2 SCH than 2 WHM, like Levithan EX (briny mirror practically doesn't exist with fairy assitance) and Ramuh EX (can do one tank method with 2 SCHs). Although it's best to have the WHM/SCH duo anyday of the week because of MND/PIE party bonus for both healers and SMN/BLMs will be happy for that matter.

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Originally Posted by Raminax

I dunno, might just be me being a White Mage main that makes me notice bad White Mages more. Although I'm also kind of the opinion that a bad Scholar simply causes a lot less havoc than a bad White Mage. :p

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Same. I feel the same when I tank content and see a WHM that is so inefficient. My #1 peeve are those WHMs that just won't let the Medica II HoTs tick on their own when no additional damage is coming anytime soon. These people suffer from low HP OCD and if they ever get deep in final coil they will learn to knock that behavior off or suffer MP wrath.

Lastly, although a not so hot SCH is easy to tell right away when they leave Eos on Sic, and blowing away all the CDs and causing aggro with Whispering Dawn.

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Originally Posted by technole

2 SCH is fine for any content in the game, and having stacking whispering dawn is nice at-least.

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Wat? Do they stack?

Sch, as a class, are perfectly able to synch well. Players, however, may not have the ability to. One can use eos, one selene. One focus more on shielding, one on raw healing.

But this is funny, since you always say that sch synching better than they do now would kill of whm, and that you are concerned about this. Now you want this to happen. Much confliction in your stance OP?

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Originally Posted by Vlady

Because scholar having the hands down best heal in the game is really balanced? Give white mages a heal that is instant cast and isnt on a 5 minute cooldown then call it a day.

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Originally Posted by Vlady

If double scholar could stack galvanize you might think different. Astrologian will determine if white mage stays or goes.

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Originally Posted by Vlady

The general consensus in the game so far is white mages are way behind scholars in the power curve and usefulness. Considering having asked over 50 white mages on my server alone and 36 of them admit they go scholar for dungeons and feel that the scholar is more powerful then the white mage it is no wonder some people are worried Astrologian will become their new main in 3.0. White mage has only raw healing as its sticking point. Scholars have superior dps, mitigation cooldowns and stronger heals then white mage and were able to solo heal all content faster and in weaker gear then white mages.

SE will have no choice but to give white mage's stronger utility spells and dps when Astrologian numbers shoot up while white mages drop the same %. The only reason people seem to be confused at how weak the white mage truly is right now is because as other people have said it is a stronger combination to have white mage/scholar then double scholar with Galvanize shield not stacking with other scholar shields. If the were to ever get rid of that you would see 90% of all high end raids use scholars then.

Future isnt looking good for the gimp white mage ;(. Please buff them SE.

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Originally Posted by Vlady

The reason healers go for scholar more then white mage is because of the power curve. Can provide much needed dps while providing constant healing with more forgiving abilities like Lustrate. Lustrate blows anything the white healer can bring to the table right now when white mages should be the strong healer. Scholar cannot take it all..

If I have the people who took my survey back me up would that make me more right some how?

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Originally Posted by Vlady

op healer in 4 man teams? Scholar? Check.
Top utility out of healers? Scholar? Check.
Best mitigation abilities which infinitely scale better then pure healing? Scholar? Check.
The goto healer job for everything but a few fights requiring pure strong heals? Scholar? Check.

Despite what people's opinion the fact of the matter is people will play the majority of the time the job which is the strongest. That is the most logical path that all gamers take which is the path that gives the most power for least resistance. Scholars have an auto mode pocket healer with the best heals and defensive cooldowns in the game. White mage has just medica and medica only. Regen is for the most part becoming more and more useless as this game moves more to a burst heavy phase with slow mid healing required build up. The way wow did before they revamped healing.

Healing is becoming an issue with scholars being able to match and outpace white mages in every category. The only thing white mage brings is a stronger aoe heal and with a third healer coming into the game unless healing dynamics is changing to require 3 healers in raids you will see white mages benched. Only reason a white mage is used is because scholars cannot stack well. If scholars had a way to stack the adlo issue then white mages would be benched all together minus some people with snow flake syndrome wanting to feel special playing a weak job.

White mages need something else given to them then a magic defensive buff added to protection. 8% more on stoneskin is not even close to compare to a good scholar being able to split healing between them and manually using pet with rouse on different targets makes it much more flexible and adaptable. The issue is Scholars are too powerful.

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Originally Posted by Vlady

Scholars are op. It's why you see raids of 6 scholars and no white mages. No one mains a white mage.

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Originally Posted by Vlady

But yet there is truth to what I say. You misconstrue bashing with wanting to see them buffed. If anything I am bashing scholars for being too powerful. There is really no such thing as someone who main's a white mage. You play white mage then go scholar for the other 90% of the game. My only issue is gear should not be shared between the two jobs. Then we would see fixes for the job.

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Originally Posted by Vlady

Every coil turn has been healed by 2 scholars but final 3 turns being healed by double white mage is quite a bit harder. Scholars have been op since day one the job came out and the only white mages who defend such a underpowered Job have snowflake syndrome and enjoy the healer pop playing scholar.

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So consistency.............

You catagorically state that sch is the most powerful healer, and you want to make it more powerful. You are concerned about whm dying, due to sch being overpowered, yet you want to make sch MORE powerful.

You state that all coils have been healed by 2 sch, and that thats the strongest healer team, yet you want to make them more powerful.

Much lols from this.

So many epic lols.

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Originally Posted by Vlady

But yet there is truth to what I say. You misconstrue bashing with wanting to see them buffed. If anything I am bashing scholars for being too powerful. There is really no such thing as someone who main's a white mage. You play white mage then go scholar for the other 90% of the game. My only issue is gear should not be shared between the two jobs. Then we would see fixes for the job.

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(I know this is from another thread... but the general idea is still prevalent in all your other points)
"No such thing as someone who main's a white mage". Pretty presumptious, don't you think? I main whitemage, followed by Bard on an alt (with a side of MNK on main character). I have a SCH at... 46? 47? Something like that. I found it's just not my dealie and I'm uncomfortable using it. Sure, I haven't reached the entirety of my toolkit without level 50, but it's the base play feel I'm uncomfortable with, not the toolkit - and that's okay - it's what makes everyone different. I don't HAVE to like SCH, just as much as people don't HAVE to like WHM. Out of all the thousands of players in the world, I don't believe it's possible that I'm the only one. By the majority of your statements, there seems to be the assumption that, by your perception of people playing SCHs (or switching to), there are none on the other side of the spectrum. It's seems that you've tunnel visioned on your own point and are not seeing what others are saying - hence the frustration returned. You can not make statements of absolution out of opinions without getting backlash.

Eh. What can I say. If white mages are so well balanced with scholars then just let scholars be able to sync better with our shield spells. Should not be an issue then. Then of course every raid would turn from white mage/scholar to scholar/scholar til heavensward but sometimes the correct point is not always the most popular. As I said when white mages are put on the bench for Astrologian well you know the rest.

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Originally Posted by Galdous

Eh. What can I say. If white mages are so well balanced with scholars then just let scholars be able to sync better with our shield spells. Should not be an issue then. Then of course every raid would turn from white mage/scholar to scholar/scholar til heavensward but sometimes the correct point is not always the most popular. As I said when white mages are put on the bench for Astrologian well you know the rest.

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Because of the same reason why White Mage stoneskins and protect don't stack. You know the rest (or I hope so at least)

I was hoping this thread would be about leeches D:

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Originally Posted by Tsilyi

I was hoping this thread would be about leeches D:

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This brings up a great injustice, actually.

Currently, White Mages have a 20% chance that their Esuna won't cost any MP. Scholars do not have this bonus.

You see, what happens if both your healers are really on the ball and cleanse debuffs with lightning speed? No foul, you think. But that couldn't be further from the truth, mon amie!

Au contraire, if two Scholars end up regularly overlapping Leeches casts, they run the risk of running out of MP! Meanwhile, two White Mages will occasionally get some free Esuna casts, giving them the MP to cast a Regen, or one and a half Cure! With some luck, they could even squeeze in a Medica, a priceless boon, to be certain. Indeed, I have witnessed in many cleanse heavy fights that the groups with two White Mages will usually end up scraping by, clawing their way to a close victory. However, two Scholars sadly end up losing too much MP when overlapping cleanses, causing heartbreaking wipes at 2% boss HP left.

I have finally seen the light. The Scholar Supremacists have been right all along; Scholars do step too much on each others toes! Please, let us join hands, so that we may grant succor to those who have been dispossessed of their precious MP. Let us end the suffering of our fellow healers, the Scholars!

...What?

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Originally Posted by Galdous

Eh. What can I say. If white mages are so well balanced with scholars then just let scholars be able to sync better with our shield spells. Should not be an issue then. Then of course every raid would turn from white mage/scholar to scholar/scholar til heavensward but sometimes the correct point is not always the most popular. As I said when white mages are put on the bench for Astrologian well you know the rest.

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You're still drinking that kool-aid I see.