Dev Response to "Up in Arms"?

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Originally Posted by Edellis

PLAY. THE REST. OF THE GAME.

Atma is the progression for people who enjoy grinding. Every other weapon in the game is the opposite.


Why the hell do people bitch about this so much. Treat it like PVP, Crafting, Gathering, or anything else you personally wouldn't pay attention to, and play the game with no detriment.


Atma and Animus aren't even the strongest weapons in the game by a longshot, and for the same amount of time for the full upgrade you could probably obtain a Tidal Wave weapon which is superior anyway.



You do not need to bother with the grindy Atma weapons. You are not missing out on anything optimal.

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Gosh finally someone just says it simply and flatly x.x Still surprised I couldn't word it so.. .. bah, reasons.

Thanks for putting it so. Why the heck can't people just let those want something to poke and tinker with in the long-term just have their thing?

I mean, I don't care too much, but just the fact that it's there is nice for me. 'There's always something' is a nice thought to have dangling over as you go about whatever it is you happen to enjoy.

Yeah, me too. It's like, I have no current plans to bother with the grindy content, but since Square had the courtesy to not make them optimal equipment (forcing me to eventually want to obtain one), it's just another thing I can put on the backlog of things to do once ive done everything else.

I really don't care for grinding content at all, but Square implemented it in a way where I literally don't have to ever even bother with it. So I dont know why people feel like they're chained to this quest that is completely optional.

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Originally Posted by Edellis

So I dont know why people feel like they're chained to this quest that is completely optional.

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It's easy to understand why people aren't happy if you look at how things have changed.

ARR relic quest wasn't much of a grind. Defeat some challenges, run a few dungeons, kill a few mobs, travel a bit, and done. Now it's a FATE grind. People are disappointed that the next phase of the relics is not like the previous one.

Imagine if the next part of the relic quest required 100 PVP wins or crafting 50 HQ weapons. Or imagine that to go to the next phase of Coil, you need a full set of CT armor. Or to try out the new dungeons, you need to grind a new alt through the entire story again. People wouldn't like it because it's busy work and doesn't match their expectations based on how the previous stage worked.

Honestly SE is just doing what the people on the forums wanted. For months people complained about no open world content and that they wanted more length/time to acquire relic weapons. Now you have 3 different ways to acquire an ilvl 100+ plus weapon; Levi EX, Atma/Animus, and Coil.

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Originally Posted by IndigoHawk

It's easy to understand why people aren't happy if you look at how things have changed.

ARR relic quest wasn't much of a grind. Defeat some challenges, run a few dungeons, kill a few mobs, travel a bit, and done. Now it's a FATE grind. People are disap-

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No, you aren't listening to me.


You do not. Have to do. The goddamn Atma upgrade quest.


I'm not defending it because i dont think it's terrible. I'm saying, its pointless to bitch about because it only exists for the sake of adding a grind to the game.


Its obvious. You spend hours for stat upgrades to the weapon at like +2 per turn-in. In the meantime you could just be fighting the new battles and skipping massive hourly chunks of the quest entirely.

1) the fate farming for atma is only to get the base relic atma that gradually upgrades to the relic animus... get past this rng based stage, and the rest is deterministic... atma drop rate seems to be around 4% based on that it took around 300 fates for me to get my relic atma, and I've seen others say they got theirs after around 300 fates as well, give or take a number...
2) this is essentially exactly what people on this forum begged for... they didn't think through what it would mean in practice, and now they bitch about it...
3) as others already pointed out, you can get Wave/Tidal Wave weapons that are equal to, or better, than the animus... gerolt masterworks weapon seem to require running second coil, in addition to soldiery tomes, but chances are the items from second coil can also be a rare reward from ventures (if people already get mog weapons from them, such items are not unthinkable to get...)

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

3) as others already pointed out, you can get Wave/Tidal Wave weapons that are equal to, or better, than the animus... gerolt masterworks weapon seem to require running second coil, in addition to soldiery tomes, but chances are the items from second coil can also be a rare reward from ventures (if people already get mog weapons from them, such items are not unthinkable to get...)

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The stats(as in crit, det, ss, etc) on the tidal wave weapons may not be better than the Atma/Animus for some classes. Otherwise yeah, it's easier to simply clear/progress through Levi extreme instead.

The thing is, I actually liked the relic weapon quest before 2.2. In all honesty, I enjoyed the storyline and the trials. :3 Now...not so much, but I did the Atma anyway in hopes of it becoming enjoyable again in the future.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Honestly SE is just doing what the people on the forums wanted. For months people complained about no open world content and that they wanted more length/time to acquire relic weapons. Now you have 3 different ways to acquire an ilvl 100+ plus weapon; Levi EX, Atma/Animus, and Coil.

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Second part of the relic quest, the one with the books, is that people wanted.

People hated fate for leveling. They hated it for CT access. Why would the freacking like them NOW?

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Originally Posted by Elim

The stats(as in crit, det, ss, etc) on the tidal wave weapons may not be better than the Atma/Animus for some classes. Otherwise yeah, it's easier to simply clear/progress through Levi extreme instead.

The thing is, I actually liked the relic weapon quest before 2.2. In all honesty, I enjoyed the storyline and the trials. :3 Now...not so much, but I did the Atma anyway in hopes of it becoming enjoyable again in the future.

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For all Classes, actually they are, Jobs on the other hand...

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Originally Posted by HumsterMKX

Too fast.... takes 1 week to collect data. Another to translate. And another to discuss and another to draft out a reply and finally another for translation and reply across all languages.

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By which time 2.3 is out. /sarcasm