I did my weekly Weeping City today as a blm and it was uneventful until we got to Forgall. When the main tank pulled, I, along with 3 other blms, dropped our leylines near the entrance so as not to be too close to the adds and their green puddles.
But once we started with our first couple fire 4's, the mt suddenly decided that he didn't want to tank Forgall where every other tank usually positions him. Instead, he pulled the boss up against the wall near the exit, far out of reach of all the blms. So not only did it cancel our casts, but it forced us all to move closer to the boss. If you've never played blm, just know that there is nothing more heartbreaking than the sight of 4 spinning, abandoned leylines, lined up in a row of failure.
Just why? Why you do this to us?
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01-04-2017, 05:28 PMKeiranOlive
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01-04-2017, 09:55 PMMysteryswordThis is why I developed the habit of running to the side of any circular boss arena before starting my rotation, instead of hanging out at the entrance. But that reminds me of the time I was fighting Echidna, and 4-5 of us BLMs dropped Ley Lines at the same time, in the same general area. We split up to dodge an AoE, and then simultaneously had an "oh-shit" moment when we realised we forgot which Ley Lines was whose. Good times...Quote:
Originally Posted by KeiranOlive
Although in Xelphatol, at the second boss, I hate it when a tank pulls the boss over to the other side of the arena, while I have my BLM ass parked directly in the middle of one of the walls so that On High doesn't interrupt my casts. -
01-04-2017, 10:54 PMMiste
Had a rude healer in A9 normal yesterday.
My boyfriend and I have been working slowly on tank mounts so when we go to do weekly Alex drops we both go tank together.
Right now I am working on WAR he is on DRK.
We get by Faust and move to main boss and even at beginning like we both notice he isn't really getting healed much. The healers didn't let him die at that point but they let him drop dangerously low before we saw any heals.
Second adds plop down and I grab the generator as usual and drag the adds over to the fire quadrant. During this boyfriend isn't getting any heals and he says to me "I might die, I am cycling cooldowns and trying to soul eater some HP, but Im getting no heals so be ready to pick up main boss."
Just as the adds die my BF also goes down so I quickly voke the boss and pull it away from the party again while he gets raised. Faust drops and he OTs it since I had to get main boss. Now during this the SCH says "sigh i can never leave anyone in charge"...now there was NO communication before this, so its not like the SCH asked the AST to main heal or anything. So basically MT died because SCH didn't take Cleric off to help heal.
I didn't say anything since it was during the fight and yeah it was a snide comment, but the AST ignored it and I didn't want to start a typing fight during the run.
At the end of the run after we clear though? This SCH goes and slaps the AST multiple times. I told my boyfriend like "...really why was that necessary?" So this time I responded to defend the AST and I said "don't be an a**"
Apparently the SCH's best intelligent response to this was "i can an will be"
Yeah the AST failed to heal MT too, but they didn't try to place the blame squarely on the other healer to try to duck their own responsibility like this SCH immediately did.
This SCH's ego was so big they had to try to duck responsibility for a tank dying by pretending it was all the ASTs fault. Unfortunately, rude SCH, you are also a healer. So if a tank dies specifically from lack of heals you cannot just pretend none of it is your fault. Your icon is green too and you had the power right there to save someone from dying but your cleric stance was too important to actually do your main job.
Oh they were also a mentor and called us all "scrubs" before leaving...oh the irony lol
As a main healer myself yeah I can solo heal a9 normal if someone asked me to, but you don't go into DF and force your healing ability standards onto another healer. If they need help you help. If you need to take off cleric you take off the darn cleric and do your main job. This is from someone who DPSes like mad on healer a lot of the time too, but if I ever see a healer in 8 person content struggling I always take cleric off and immediately assist them; you know because teamwork is a thing. -
01-05-2017, 02:32 AMMaerwen
I got Castrum with my boyfriend. He was leveling his AST at the time and I tanked for him. Anyway we were at the part near second boss, when you go up two stairs to make something explode.
I tanked one side and the other tank grabbed the other side. My boyfriend got aggro off me (happens when I'm having a sneezing fit due to seasonal allergies as my sneezing fits tend to last like 30 seconds at least). We wiped. Except for one DPS who ran off.
Said DPS rage quit saying we are all noobs lol. but after that wipe, the run was smooth even if we lacked one DPS. We just laughed at the wipe and majority of the party said that the DPS who left was just a special snowflake and doesn't have the right to react like that. -
01-05-2017, 02:53 AMbounddreamer
I had a Sastasha over the weekend with three green sprouts. All three were brand new to the instance and the healer and archer said they were new to the game.
The baby tank was great. He was either an alt or restarting player, he marked, he held aggro, he positioned mobs well. The archer asked what the marks were, and when we told them it was mob priority they began following the marks too. Altogether that sprout group made the Sastasha run as easy and painless as a group of vets.
Over the weekend I queued for mentor roulette and got Titan. It was an eight man party so I was sure it had to be Titan Extreme. A dps dc'd before we loaded in and I said "well, we can get in a practice run or two before he returns or we dismiss him" and one of the tanks said "or we could just one shot it..." About a third of the way through the duty I finally realized it was going way too easily and smoothly and no one was dead; I looked up at the duty roster and it was Titan Hard. Lol. -
01-05-2017, 05:20 AMdlgc
Well, I am grinding for my weekly drop from Alex normal about two days ago, and I landed in A9N:
https://s28.postimg.org/wyvdf51p9/Rant1.jpg
https://s27.postimg.org/8vo69tnw3/Rant2.jpg
https://s27.postimg.org/cdx3dhamr/Rant3.jpg
Everything went fine, and Nono- I believe was our DRK from Levi, basically just sat outside after one wipe due to a careless mistake by us in dealing with the adds, and chose to blame the healers instead.
We tried to get her back in, but she just refused. So I kinda got snappy with her, lol. . . But our other tank(warrior I believe), just gave it a go and solo tank, while our dragoon tanked the adds.
We made it just fine! Guess what, Nono- decides to join us after all, and even has the audacity to roll for the loot! I would be lying if I say I did not feel happy in out-rolling her then. . .
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D. -
01-05-2017, 05:55 AMbardaboo
@Miste re: A9 healer. Had something similar in a a9s learning party. I was teaching FC mate the fight, so didn't want a straight up carry. A whm joins the party my healer friend also is helping as a sch. MT is a little unfamiliar with the fight as well as two dps. How does the whm act to this? Clerics blowing his mana pool dry dps'ing while my sch friend is doing generators and also forced to main heal. So his mana is low as well. Now when things went wrong it became a wipe because whm doesn't have the mana or the desire to heal. At one point the sch dies to scrapline during faust cuz tank position. Whm response? Stays in clerics, slow casting rez on sch. Mt and OT die. Why slowcast you ask? Cuz swiftcast was used to dps. I asked him multiple times to lay off the dps and help heal. No response no change. Asshat.
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01-05-2017, 06:55 AMFriggan
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01-05-2017, 09:01 AMAlynn
Queued for A12 for weekly. I get paired up with a WHM, 2 NINs, 1 BRD, and a MNK(?)... some melee DPS. Everything is going fine, I'm happily pumping out DPS + Aspected Helios when its Mega Holy time, etc, etc. I'm halfway through my mana despite JUST using Luminiferous Aether, so I politely ask the BRD to Mage Ballad, which he does (thankfully), albeit with a snide comment of "You have some but ok, lol". I tell him that LA is down, and he stays quiet.
We reach around 15% before WHM, 3 DPS, and tank die. At this point, I was nearly out of mana, second tank was about to die as well, so I go ahead and LB3. I'm immediately hit with a "wtf why did you LB3?" from the BRD. I tell him that our party was mostly dead, second tank was going to die, so why the heck not? One of the NINs smartly go, "ever heard of a raise?" I point out that I'm out of mana. BRD *remember this is the BRD who was dead* goes, "Mage Ballad?". I was in utter shock. "Sweetie you were dead, why would I have Mage Ballad?". Anywhoozies, I wish I had a happy ending, but it doesn't. I take one for the team, die after other tank dies (sorry I couldn't LB fast enough :(), we down him to 5% and vote to abandon. -
01-05-2017, 09:29 AMAlphaFox
More a mini irritation with Duty Finder, I really wish the older 24 man content, if like 90% of the team is accepting, just let us go. Surely people will fill in with "in progress"? Been waiting almost an hour for Syrcus to have 3/3 6/6 14/15 for the last 5 pops. =/
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01-05-2017, 09:30 AMDzian
A11n on scholar
First run of the day. Kill the trash jump to boss room tanks pulls straight away locks my healer buddy out of the fight. Solo heal the whole thing no problems mechanics being done phases skipped etc. No luck on drops.
Re queue. One of the tanks is the same one we just had apologises and this time waits for everyone to enter arena. Fight starts everyone dies and gets smacked by every thing they can possibly take. Wipe.
Dps blame us healers. Tank says I just solo healed it a few minutes a go in another group.
Attempt 2. Repeat attempt 1. Dps dying all over the place struggling with mp from all the raises. No skips. All the Dps get confused. Wipe again.
Dps once again rip the healers and blame them. Vote abandon.
Queue yet again. One of the same Dps. Say to my healer buddy if he dies he can stay dead. He dies pretty quick decided to stand in 3 circles. Moans about raise we leave him but smn gets him up. Dies again minute or so later. Starts saying we both suck. Smn raises again. He gets pray so we both /goodbye him and lol. He dies leave him dead. And win the fight a couple of minutes later in 1 attempt.
My healer buddy then comments and says now you know why last party failed and it wasn't cos of us.... because this party basically 7 manned it with ease.
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01-05-2017, 12:55 PMMhaericNot discounting the rest of your post, which sucks and I can totally see happening, especially in that dungeon...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhyku
There IS a reason to use Fire 2 during the final boss fight of Aurum Vale. Whenever the morbol runs over to a new spot and spawns a bunch of seed pods, casting Fire 2 on the morbol right as the pods spawn (and possibly a second or third time depending on your stats or if no one else is using/has AoE) is the best strategy to prevent the pods from hatching into seedlings which can easily murder the tank with sheer numbers. This mechanic happens a total of 2 times during the fight, so at most you would need to cast it 4 times. Ideally you'd only need to do it once each time for a total of twice, but that doesn't always happen and is certainly something I don't expect. Obviously you wouldn't use it when it's just the big morbol by himself.
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01-05-2017, 01:00 PMFluffernuffActually, it's not "sheer numbers" as those baby morbols are extremely squishy. The problem with letting them hatch is that EVERY AUTO THEY DO is another stack of barbs. if 2 hatch on the tank with 2 stacks waiting for a fruit? he's at 4 now and getting interrupted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mhaeric
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01-05-2017, 01:04 PMMhaericAs a heads up, your blackout of the names in your images is very poor and they can still easily be made out. Just thought I'd let you know before the post nets you a tos warning or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by dlgc
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01-05-2017, 01:32 PMVirgalThe Duty that Broke my Heart
So i was in a Duty "obviously", and something very sad and disturbing happens.... a very close friend of mine "DIED!!!"......
I think this video will help explain the story a little bit better.
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01-05-2017, 05:13 PMSeriousxSarcasmLongest Haukke Run Ever
So I queue in for leveling roulette, it plops me down in Haukke Manor with BRD/WHM sprouts (WHM's second time), and a DRK who mains PLD, just logged in after a 2 year break. Never tanked with DRK before, looks like she raided our BRD's wardrobe for spare DEX gear... I think you can imagine how this run went.
First few pulls go terrible. I can't even use a miasma without pulling things off her. I spend most of my time explaining what little I know about DRK skills in between rooms (I have played DRK for a grand total of 4 very casual Fate-grinding hours - around 3 months ago). BRD is doing awesome (usually kiting mobs/bosses around the room while me and WHM pick them off at a distance), WHM is on point, despite not knowing the run very well, she kept us up even when we were all taking damage from mobs.
Anyway, we're coming up to the last Boss, it feels like forever, but DRK has been slowly improving as we go. Something suddenly occurs to me, "I usually main PLD." See, I saw she had a DRK buff on her at the start of the dungeon, I just sorta assumed it was Grit, because why the hell wouldn't you use your tank stance? Her gear was so terrible, I thought that was the problem. When I hovered over it, yeah nope, it was Darkside.
She put it on when I explained, but I just felt like such a dummy for not thinking of it sooner. I probably wouldn't have thought to check at all, but trying to remember all those DRK skills throughout jolted me into thinking, "Wait... DRK has a tank stance... you get that tank stance earlier than a PLD would... what was that shit called again....? Is it 30? I think I remember using it on the first job quest..."
So she had it up for the last boss. You have no idea how aggravating it was when we had almost no aggro problems. :/ (I say almost, because healer snagged a couple adds during that faze and ran away with them instead of taking them to the tank haha).
Fight finished.
"You have 5 minutes to complete the Haukke Manor"
. . . OnO
Everyone celebrated (our sprouts were amazing. Nervous as hell, but they did awesome. They're really the reason I chose to tough it out), and I spent 4 of those 5 minutes trying to explain everything else I could remember about DRK before she went off on her merry way to give the next unsuspecting party a run like that. -
01-05-2017, 06:06 PMLouvain
Not DF, but it might as well be; I've been joining Niddhogg EX "clear" parties with the intent to help people, but twice now I've found that the people who have set them up have 0 idea what they are doing and have not even watched a guide. We couldn't even make it past fang and claw. I don't mind explaining mechanics and helping progression, but I wish people would label their pf's more honestly.
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01-05-2017, 09:15 PMMysterysword
Qarn HM as BLM. DRK, WHM, and MNK.
DRK keeps doing single-group pulls, which I said nothing about. At this point, I don't really care anymore when a tank insists on doing tiny little pulls even with plenty of AoE firepower and even when DRK does better in large pulls anyway. Of course I don't like it, but I don't even care enough anymore to say anything.
No, the trouble starts when I, doing my usual Fire II and Flare AoE rotation, end up pulling aggro off the DRK. I never once used Raging Strikes in that run until the last boss, BTW.
DRK starts complaining about this. I point out that a well-played SMN (if that actually exists in DF, anyway) would be even worse than me in terms of AoE aggro. DRK claims that a well-played SMN, or any DPS, should know how to hold their fire.
I would probably be much more sympathetic towards this DRK's issues if they weren't level 60, completely overgeared for this dungeon, was actually doing their best to hold aggro instead of pushing out a couple of Unleashes per pull and doing nothing else, and maybe had GLA actually unlocked and MRD at a higher level than 15. Oh yeah, and if I hadn't tanked that very same dungeon, with that very same job, with equally good BLMs, all with no aggro issues whatsoever, in the past. Maybe I could've used Quelling Strikes or something, even though Quelling Strikes has a cooldown of 2 minutes and lasts only 15 seconds. Who knows?
But none of those things were true, and so I cannot care less about this DRK's complaining if you pay me to do so. Especially when I end up tanking the last boss after the DRK gets themself mummified. -
01-05-2017, 09:32 PMvp_cmc
Ramuh Ex unsynced for WT, I am on MCH. I don't do this kind of stuff regularly, so I didn't have a solid understanding how exactly I should do my dps there.
Someone told to stop dps at 65%. Ok, I can read. We started, I was doing an ordinary mch opener, that has wildfire in it. Boss got to 65% at about 15 seconds, adds appear. I stopped dpsing boss, targeted one of adds. Then I hear wildfire explosion, adds disappear, we wipe.
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01-05-2017, 10:35 PMCherub
So I was doing weeping city with a few people from my static. Aside from every other alliance dying on forgall and my party killing him with ease and a little wipe on Ozma there wasn't much to it. It was actually fun.
However something spooky scary skeleton happened.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=76DJ3dMyZYo
This made me laugh so hard.
A guy standing on the edge of boss room and just .....dying. Didn't get hit by aoe, doesnt have a dot from previous boss. IS AT FULL HP. Just dies. -
01-06-2017, 02:01 AMHen-Hen
Running 50s roulette to get myself some extra lore and I get keeper and everything went really smooth until the last boss where the tank would not take the second dragon close to the boss at all, despite repeating myself over and over to say that it has damage resistance where it was and needed moving closer. I've just had to stop and despair for a few moments, because once it was all over everyone else in the party was all like "good job! :D" and I'm sitting here like "if you say so."
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01-06-2017, 04:02 AMAzperhttp://i.imgur.com/lCU7GgY.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Dzian
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01-06-2017, 05:32 AMUnstablePersonalityTrust me, I doubt it was just the wild fire explosion.Quote:
Originally Posted by vp_cmc
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01-06-2017, 06:11 AMErsilon
Queued Leveling as pally with the wife's dragoon last night and got Toto-Rak. We get a sprout first-timer arcanist and a healer with astrologian as their only decently leveled healing class at 39. We get Protect, so conjurer had gotten some love, but I don't think it was much more than that. I have a lot of practice tanking Toto-Rak, and my pally is 55, so I know I'm capped on the level sync and not squishy, but I'm getting an awful lot of green sparklies around me. Second pull confirms it, I'm getting a Benefic on every GCD. Okay, maybe they're just not comfortable with AST yet. After the fourth pull, I was just done ignoring it and fighting the extra enmity geteration. "<healer name I have forgotten>, it's okay, you don't need to heal me every time the cooldown's up."
It worked. No longer did I have to fight the healer for enmity from the overheals, and they started flinging out some Malefics when I didn't need heals. -
01-06-2017, 07:11 AMBourne_EndeavorIt's an anti-cheat mechanic to prevent people or bots from purposely positioning themselves out of bound so the boss won't attack them but they'll still be considered active in the fight itself. Basically, if you stand on the purple line during those fifteen seconds before it locks you, well, you might just die. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Cherub
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01-06-2017, 07:23 AMVanitas
Wiped on titan hm 4 times today....everyone was lv60 synced.
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01-06-2017, 09:17 AMKallistra
Decided to do a level 60 dungeon roulette, watched as an AST only carded the BLM. For large pulls, that made sense, but even on bosses the AST was throwing only their Balances and Arrows onto the BLM. So the NIN politely asked if they could have a couple cards too, even if it was only on bosses. The AST said nothing, but then decided to throw every single Ewer on the NIN and refused to heal him. It was pretty ridiculous, I'd never seen a healer do that before. They were quickly vote dismissed after the 2nd boss when it became apparent what was happening.
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01-06-2017, 12:50 PMSlirith
All I have to say is...
Don't queue for anything if you have to maybe afk during the run. I can understand if it's an emergency but "Brb pulling dinner out of oven" etc just pisses people off. -
01-06-2017, 02:45 PMHeliantheaeI had a PotD that started with a DPS going to the bathroom. I get it if it was any other queue, DPS queues are long and you never know when they're going to pop. But it's PotD and at least on Aether the queue's are always under 5min. Go to the bathroom and then queue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slirith
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01-06-2017, 04:24 PMMeillquei
Just had the most frustrating run of Sastasha normal. Had a sprout healer and sprout bard in the group.
Our tank decided he was going to spend the entire run trolling all of us. He specifically was talking trash to the healer the entire time, yelling at her that she wasn't healing fast enough. Calling the two sprouts trash for not having any jobs at 60.
And most of the run consisted of the tank and healer bickering at each other. Mobs were running amok. Tank was taking his time and decided to go out of his way to pull everything he possibly could when we all just wanted to get it done.
I just stayed silent the entire time hoping it would get better. It didn't.
When it was finally over, I gave my commendation to the bard because he did a good job and for most of the run kept out of the bickering.
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01-06-2017, 04:36 PMAlphaFoxSurprised you didn't just vote kick him, sure the healer would have been behind ya and honestly those beginner dungeons can be done with no tank at all :3Quote:
Originally Posted by Meillquei
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01-06-2017, 06:04 PMJijifliIn the AST defense here, those cards are obviously meant for dps, meaning the AST is given the choice here. It was likely that the AST just chose the BLM as the better carrier of the card's effects.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kallistra
Now if he was carding him with things like spire, ya head tilt, but if the AST feels like the BLM will use a balance better than the NIN, it's the AST's choice. I've both seen and performed BLM damage more than Ninja's, although I'm counting those that don't toy with enmity and use those bars to tell. What else is the AST meant to base their choice off of? -
01-06-2017, 07:09 PMDzianI'll admit I'm guilty of this on occasions. It's not deliberate though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slirith
Usually it's if I get home and hit a queue and it says average wait time 25 minutes and 35th in the queue then dinner is going in the oven.
It's only ever a problem if that queue then pops 5-10 mins later....
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01-06-2017, 07:25 PMKallistraThe NINs rotation was fine. During trash, yeah I would have carded the BLM too. But during bosses, the NIN surpassed the BLM who was either nervous, forgot the fights, or just wasn't used to the sync, because they were losing Eno a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jijifli
It may be the AST's choice, but the NIN had every right to ask. And they did as politely. And I mean incredibly politely. Something like, "Hey, astro. :) Would it be okay if you could toss me some balances? Even if it's just during bosses, I would really appreciate it. :D" The AST didn't respond and started giving Ewers to the NIN, which they had been previously discarding (not Royal Roading, but manually clicking off Ewers and Spires). So the NIN apologized for asking, again being polite about the whole thing. During the 2nd boss the NIN almost died to room AoEs 'cause the AST didn't throw them a single heal (and even avoided AoE healing) I had to Clemency him a couple times to keep him from hitting the floor.
It was incredibly obvious that the AST was doing it out of spite, so they were removed. I asked my gf to queue in and we finished the run with no issues, and the NIN even got his cards in the end (and the BLM still got some as well too). It was just a really odd thing to see and figured it was worth sharing here. -
01-06-2017, 07:29 PMTexa
Tank turned the first demiurge in Sophia ex while I was casting, he parried my attack, pushed me into the ice puddle effectively zombifying me, then aimed the infusion at me. I couldn't control where I was walking and the other DPS weren't making any attempts to move out of my way and they got pushed off by the AoE and I die.
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01-06-2017, 08:25 PMLokier
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01-06-2017, 09:20 PMAutoWhitPerfect.....can't ask for a better group comp than that! LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Lokier
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01-07-2017, 12:28 AMLeadleafI wouldn't be surprised if this was the tank's train of thought, penalty dodging meaning this much to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaFox
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01-07-2017, 01:00 AMMysterysword
To all tanks who think wearing ilvl 39 STR accessories in a trial meant for people with ilvls of 60+ is an acceptable thing to do...
... how about I switch to casting accessories the next time I end up having to keep your sorry asses alive? -
01-07-2017, 01:30 AMdragonseth07I've seen two big groups who still have STR accessories:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mysterysword
Old players who never bothered to read about changes to the game they play. Kinda mind-boggling.
And new players going off of old info. Lots of new tanks I meet ask about putting points into STR because they have looked at old guides and old recommendations. It's unfortunate.