Missing Genders: A request for Male Miqote, Female Highlander, and Female Roegadyn

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Originally Posted by Coombah

I think it's funny to see people say well in XI lore "Blah Blah Blah" when this is a totally DIFFERENT game. Try doing some homework first >.>. At this point all those kind of posts are good for is post count and thats it LOL. It really shows how much they know about this game.

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With how many people keep trying to compare the entire game to XI are you really that surprised?

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

Read OP before making an ass out of yourself, ty

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Ohhh Burrnnn. I think they should pull a wow and add it with an expansion that way everyone win's content and races =D.

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Originally Posted by Grimm

Ohhh Burrnnn. I think they should pull a wow and add it with an expansion that way everyone win's content and races =D.

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This actually wouldn't surprise me at all. Though frankly if they intend to be charging us PER character slot every month, (which no other MMO besides XI did that I know of) then I don't approve of this. We need free character slots and a SET monthly subscription fee (I don't care if the set fee has to be raised a bit to compensate for this, so long as it isn't outrageously high) - with additional races\genders added over time and via expansions.

..Or we need these races\genders added upfront before the billing cycles start. It's not fair at all to expect us to pay through the nose just to have an alternate skin to play as sometimes. (Or worse, delete what we have way-way down the line when they finally DO release them because we can't afford more than a couple of character slots at most.)

I don't mind the idea of maybe deleting what I have now when the billing cycles start, and the slots costing more each - IF that means I have all my options available to me then and there. I also don't mind just waiting this out indefinitely if the slots themselves don't incur additional charges monthly - I'm fine with that. (In fact, they could sell a slot for $10-20 each as a one-time charge to be able to use it, and I'd also be fine with that..) But I DO NOT want to be caught waaaay down the line somewhere and them spring the new races on us without any options available other than to fork over a lot of money (it adds up over time), or sacrifice whatever I've been building up to that point.

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Originally Posted by Krisan

This actually wouldn't surprise me at all. Though frankly if they intend to be charging us PER character slot every month, (which no other MMO besides XI did that I know of) then I don't approve of this. We need free character slots and a SET monthly subscription fee (I don't care if the set fee has to be raised a bit to compensate for this, so long as it isn't outrageously high) - with additional races\genders added over time and via expansions. Or we need these races\genders added upfront before the billing cycles start. It's not fair at all to expect us to pay through the nose just to have an alternate skin to play as sometimes. (Or worse, delete what we have way down the line because we can't afford more than a couple of character slots at most.)

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I did feel that the character price was a bit high. $3 per char.. @_@ I would prefer even if it was $1 per character. As a role-player I've always had at least 4-6 characters. And of course if the missing genders are added I'll be making new characters.

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

I did feel that the character price was a bit high. $3 per char.. @_@ I would prefer even if it was $1 per character. As a role-player I've always had at least 4-6 characters. And of course if the missing genders are added I'll be making new characters.

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I'm a big role-player too, and yea.. $3 per slot every month is insane. That's $21 extra tacked onto your bill every single month if you decide to have all eight character slots. That is not reasonable at all. $1 each is a lot more tolerable, and I'd be more comfortable with that - if not still a bit irate.. But ugh, I don't want to get stuck in an ugly position down the road where I have a couple of characters I've worked hard on and find I can't afford to shell out for another slot when a new race\gender comes out.. Choosing whom to kill off for the new option would be very, very painful.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

Wrong.

Galka - Tailed race that reincarnated through a unknown system, some speculate the tails cut off and a new body grows to the old tail. Race is genderless.

Roegadyn, Bipedial race with BOTH genders, Males are tall, broad and strong and tend to be pirates, seamen, and fishermen. Women tend to be Fishermen, crafters, or politicians.

Mithra, Males are super rare, guesses put at 1 for every 10,000 Females. Reproduction is selective by society. Males are overly protected by the Females and rarely leave the OZ Continent.

Miqo'te, Males are equal in population density to females but are not as social as the females are. They tend to be solitary and prefer working alone over in groups. (Similar to Lions)


The lores in game from multiple NPC's explain massive differences in both the cultures, appearance, and the presence of Genders for the Miqote and Roegadyn. The only reason they are not in the game was because the development team ran out of time to implement them for launch and were looking into a way to introduce them later.

This thread is asking if since the staff has changed if this is still an option for LATER, and when maybe we might expect it.

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Dont you love having to keep repeating yourself? :P

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Originally Posted by Krisan

I'm a big role-player too, and yea.. $3 per slot every month is insane. That's $21 extra tacked onto your bill every single month if you decide to have all eight character slots. That is not reasonable at all. $1 each is a lot more tolerable, and I'd be more comfortable with that - if not still a bit irate.. But ugh, I don't want to get stuck in an ugly position down the road where I have a couple of characters I've worked hard on and find I can't afford to shell out for another slot when a new race\gender comes out.. Choosing whom to kill off for the new option would be very, very painful.

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Ya ive been wondering why they decided to charge $3 per extra character slot instead of $1 like it was in FFXI, $3 is just a little too much, $1 is much more reasonable.

I'm not really a fan of the idea at all. How do we explain them suddenly popping out of the woodwork suddenly there were none around before? I don't like the thought of the races being robbed of their uniqueness over aesthetics issues one bit.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

Miqo'te, Males are equal in population density to females but are not as social as the females are. They tend to be solitary and prefer working alone over in groups. (Similar to Lions)

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The lore actually says nothing at all either way about relative population density, you can't just assume it's 50/50.

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Originally Posted by Mho

I'm not really a fan of the idea at all. How do we explain them suddenly popping out of the woodwork suddenly there were none around before? I don't like the thought of the races being robbed of their uniqueness over aesthetics issues one bit.

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Thing is, they're already there. They just haven't been implemented yet. NPC's refer to them in various dialogue, they just haven't been added. This whole thread is just a big question of whether they'll only be added to the game as NPC's, or if we'll get to play as them.

Furthermore, we only have access to five zones in the entire game. We do NOT have access to all the areas in the three capitals yet, and one capital we can't even enter yet (Ishgard) - not to mention there are several regions and towns we know exist but - as said - aren't implemented yet. They actually don't have to make the NPC's "pop-up" at all, there's a TON of empty space even in the current cities that are off-limits at the moment that they could add them to.

Plus why wouldn't you want a world that's at least somewhat dynamic in that NPC's come and go from place to place periodically, as opposed to a completely static world where nothing ever changes?

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Originally Posted by Mho

The lore actually says nothing at all either way about relative population density, you can't just assume it's 50/50.

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The very fact it doesn't say it though is the point. There's nothing there currently to prevent them from being playable. Besides, it's not something that's generally stated (in any kind of normal context) when the ratio between genders is even.. It's when there is a stark difference in numbers that these types of things popup in the lore. Otherwise it's just not relevant information..

Should catboys be added(hopefully), do you think Sun seekers will be more feral looking or thundercat-ish(ew please god no) and would moon keepers be more frail, lithe, pretty boy-like?
I only bring that up because Sun clans stats are melee based and Moon is mage based..if your a mage you're probally not as super built as apposed to someone fighting on the front lines

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Originally Posted by Shiro-Koizumi

Should catboys be added(hopefully), do you think Sun seekers will be more feral looking or thundercat-ish(ew please god no) and would moon keepers be more frail, lithe, pretty boy-like?
I only bring that up because Sun clans stats are melee based and Moon is mage based..if your a mage you're probally not as super built as apposed to someone fighting on the front lines

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Stats != physical appearance, as any lalafell will tell you.

If sunseeker females arent any more muscular/athletic than moonkeeper females, then no.

Besides, when have you ever seen SE do something creative with races like that? :P

Hello everyone, I've been following this topic since the game's announcement and I'm glad to see this thread on the official forums. A big thank you to Midgard Zolom and all the people who have been vocal about this. I haven't posted in the past, but now that we know that the devs are reading I want to give my support. I can't believe how many people bring up FFXI's lore in every thread in defense of keeping the races gender restricted, even though the lore is completely different and it's right there for them to read. It would make more sense to have them in the game than to leave them out. I can't understand why some people are against having them added. If they were there to begin with, as most races have both a male and female (and the Miqo'te and Roegadyn certainly do), would you have not played the game? No one is forcing you to play one. This would only add more diversity to Eorzea and allow so many people to play the character that they want to play. I believe your character is the most important thing in any MMO, and being able to play the type of character that you want to is just as important as anything else. To quote Mr. Yoshida: "Our characters are us, complex collections of memories and emotions, and nobody has the right to take them away from us." It's one thing that they didn't add any new races from FFXI to FFXIV and another entirely for them to leave out the missing genders to races that already exist again, even though they've been highly requested since FFXI. Gender locking is bad, there will always be people who wished they could have played that missing gender. And even worse it's reinforcing stereotypes - strong, muscular women, effeminate males. There are actually people who want to play these characters.

I quit FFXIV a few months ago due to so many disappointments with the game, the main one being that these genders were not playable. I recently returned to the game to see what's changed and the improvements that have been made. The first thing I did was pick up a sidequest in Limsa Lominsa. A Miqo'te who asked me to gather ingredients for some sort of love potion, insisting that feeding her unrequited love this food would make him fall for her. Where is that lover? This game has so much life and so much potential. I'm currently playing RIFT and the world just doesn't have that special feel that Final Fantasy is known for. I want this game to succeed and grow and I want to see all that Eorzea has.

I've read every interview with SE over the last year or so where they were asked about this numerous times. Every bit of information we got gave me more hope that they were planning to add them but were keeping it a surprise for launch. They never gave a direct 'no', confirmed that the designs were done and that they were planning to implement them, but were unable to finish them in time for release. In the game there are numerous references to them, and they even went as far as to mention a Miqo'te's father in the official CG trailer. Why? All of it seems like a slap in the face to all of the people who wanted them playable. Unless they actually do have plans to add them. With SE now communicating more with their players and the change in the development team comes new hope for me and many others that they may finally be implemented. I think most people that want this would be more than willing to pay to recustomize their characters, as many other games have that option as well. I truly think this can only be a good thing, and would go a long way in showing the players that SE does care and is listening to their customers. I know they would have my full support once again if this happens. All we want are answers.

I mentioned in a very early post of mine that if they really wanna differentiate FFXIV from FFXI, they really should consider adding the missing genders.

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Originally Posted by Coszette

Hello everyone, I've been following this topic since the game's announcement and I'm glad to see this thread on the official forums. A big thank you to Midgard Zolom and all the people who have been vocal about this. I haven't posted in the past, but now that we know that the devs are reading I want to give my support. I can't believe how many people bring up FFXI's lore in every thread in defense of keeping the races gender restricted, even though the lore is completely different and it's right there for them to read. It would make more sense to have them in the game than to leave them out. I can't understand why some people are against having them added. If they were there to begin with, as most races have both a male and female (and the Miqo'te and Roegadyn certainly do), would you have not played the game? No one is forcing you to play one. This would only add more diversity to Eorzea and allow so many people to play the character that they want to play. I believe your character is the most important thing in any MMO, and being able to play the type of character that you want to is just as important as anything else. To quote Mr. Yoshida: "Our characters are us, complex collections of memories and emotions, and nobody has the right to take them away from us." It's one thing that they didn't add any new races from FFXI to FFXIV and another entirely for them to leave out the missing genders to races that already exist again, even though they've been highly requested since FFXI. Gender locking is bad, there will always be people who wished they could have played that missing gender. And even worse it's reinforcing stereotypes - strong, muscular women, effeminate males. There are actually people who want to play these characters.

I quit FFXIV a few months ago due to so many disappointments with the game, the main one being that these genders were not playable. I recently returned to the game to see what's changed and the improvements that have been made. The first thing I did was pick up a sidequest in Limsa Lominsa. A Miqo'te who asked me to gather ingredients for some sort of love potion, insisting that feeding her unrequited love this food would make him fall for her. Where is that lover? This game has so much life and so much potential. I'm currently playing RIFT and the world just doesn't have that special feel that Final Fantasy is known for. I want this game to succeed and grow and I want to see all that Eorzea has.

I've read every interview with SE over the last year or so where they were asked about this numerous times. Every bit of information we got gave me more hope that they were planning to add them but were keeping it a surprise for launch. They never gave a direct 'no', confirmed that the designs were done and that they were planning to implement them, but were unable to finish them in time for release. In the game there are numerous references to them, and they even went as far as to mention a Miqo'te's father in the official CG trailer. Why? All of it seems like a slap in the face to all of the people who wanted them playable. Unless they actually do have plans to add them. With SE now communicating more with their players and the change in the development team comes new hope for me and many others that they may finally be implemented. I think most people that want this would be more than willing to pay to recustomize their characters, as many other games have that option as well. I truly think this can only be a good thing, and would go a long way in showing the players that SE does care and is listening to their customers. I know they would have my full support once again if this happens. All we want are answers.

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This was written perfectly . You have recieved a "Like" from me.

I also liked your post coszette, you should post more often ^^

Thank you. The main reason I didn't post before was because I had myself convinced that they would add them at launch. They've given us so many hints at them being implemented that I was foolish enough to believe that they would be there when I logged in on September 22nd. The letdown was hard to bear. I'd like to encourage any other lurkers to post here and make your voice heard, It can't hurt. The rep post was good to see but I'm very afraid SE will give us a vague response. Maybe if enough people speak up SE will listen.

Lol again you've hit the nail on the head. Its never really been an issue to me because ill always play an elvaan male but its not right to hold the option for other people.

Even if I wasn't interested in playing a male Miqo'te, female Roegadyn, or female Highlander, I would still have supported them being added. I remember showing the game to a friend I used to play Aion with. I directed him to the benchmarking program and the first thing he asked me was "why isn't there an option for a male Miqo'te? I want to play that." He lost interest after that. The more options you have the more people you can appeal to, and a playable race that is appealing to you can potentially interest you in a game you would have otherwise overlooked. I find it offensive that they left out female Roegadyn and Highlanders because the races are more muscular. I think of the female Tauren, Trolls, and Orcs of WoW, the female Bahmi of RIFT, the female Aman of TERA, the female Charr of Guild Wars 2. They may not be the most popular character choices but the option is there, and no one is left out. They weren't left out based on some stereotype of "who would want to play a muscular woman" or "the females must be really ugly." They don't have to be ugly and I don't think I could imagine them being that way in a Final Fantasy game. Blade and Soul has an adorable race called the Lyn which is something like a Lalafell mixed with a Miqo'te, and of course there is a playable male version. More and more I see MMO's being developed with female players in mind. The Miqo'te is obviously fan service for male players, though they are appealing to female players as well. I think many female players would be interested in a male Miqo'te. Finally, some fan service for them.

I apologize for the long posts, but this is something I feel very strongly about. Hopefully someone from SE is reading and is taking this into consideration.

Welcome Coszette! I agree with the others, very well said. I can totally relate to every word. Thank you for posting. :3

I think having a character you like is very important. It's the first thing I look at when considering to play a game. If they don't have a race/gender I like then I simply won't play it. I suppose other people may be happy with just game play and don't care about their character, but I think a character you like can help you feel connected to the world and have more fun. When times are bad in a game having a character I feel connected to may be the only thing that keeps me playing until things get better.

(Off topic: I really appreciate that in this thread people are able to ask for what they want without whining and complaining. ^-^ Some people on other threads don't seem to be able to express their opinions without being angry. Even if we all don't always agree we don't get on each others backs about things.
You're all a pleasure to talk to. Thanks for being awesome! :3)

I think even more so your character is important in a game like this. You can play any class on one character so most people are going to be spending a lot of time playing one character rather than making many alts. The cutscenes and the story unique to Final Fantasy really make your character come alive, and that's where this game really shines. For me it's always been more about the story, the game world, and meeting new people. Every MMO I've played I've always felt attached to my characters and the world that he or she lives in. Of course I understand that not everyone plays MMOs for the same reasons, and I don't think anyone could deny that there are many other issues with the game at this point in time which need to be addressed. But I think given time, and incorporating player feedback, everything will improve and the game will become all that it was meant to be and all that the FFXI players were hoping for.

I agree. The potential in this game is endless and I know once things get fix with the help Yoshi-P's group it will be epic and the masses will come flocking back. Esp if they make the missing race genders possible.

I made a thread on the Japanese forums to get their feedback ^^

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...3493#post73493

How did you translate it?

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

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Google Translate

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Originally Posted by Coombah

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...Uh-oh...

lol


This will not end well.

I can see it now, "love you big beast woman do you? I love the field of the cat boys but the forest is not their home" hahaha

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Originally Posted by Anathiel

I can see it now, "love you big beast woman do you? I love the field of the cat boys but the forest is not their home" hahaha

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hahahaha oh my...

Yeah... this is going to be messy. lmao

LOL I translated the post and you can tell what the thread is about..Though it's not the best, I also put in the link to the original post. Hopefully it will spark the discussion with the Japanese players. We are currently at 21,973 views! I remember when it was around 17k.

Heavy is the thread that wears a crown?

I think the crown is a marker for community/dev team responses within any given thread.

That this thread garnered so many views and dev attention is infuriating to me. The various rationalizations about why implementing the "missing genders" is so important still don't change that this addition won't make the game more entertaining, but will consume and require extra resources and effort from the devs.

No matter how minor the edits to character skeletons and whatnot they have to make, it's still a major addition to implement something like this.

I'm not saying it is wrong, as i wouldn't mind seeing them myself, but there is always time to make this addition later and allow current players the chance to have their items, experience and skills to be transferred to a new character.

If the name is an issue you could allow "changed" players to display their old name in brackets under their new name for a while.

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Originally Posted by Kirith

That this thread garnered so many views and dev attention is infuriating to me. The various rationalizations about why implementing the "missing genders" is so important still don't change that this addition won't make the game more entertaining, but will consume and require extra resources and effort from the devs.

No matter how minor the edits to character skeletons and whatnot they have to make, it's still a major addition to implement something like this.

I'm not saying it is wrong, as i wouldn't mind seeing them myself, but there is always time to make this addition later and allow current players the chance to have their items, experience and skills to be transferred to a new character.

If the name is an issue you could allow "changed" players to display their old name in brackets under their new name for a while.

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Everquest,(frogloks)
World of warcraft, (draenei)
DFO,(female gunner)
And I'm sure there's more

All of these introduced new races without the need to transfer skills, the endgame crowd ate em up. If it keeps the players playing, the subscription based game wins.

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Originally Posted by Kirith

That this thread garnered so many views and dev attention is infuriating to me. The various rationalizations about why implementing the "missing genders" is so important still don't change that this addition won't make the game more entertaining, but will consume and require extra resources and effort from the devs.

No matter how minor the edits to character skeletons and whatnot they have to make, it's still a major addition to implement something like this.

I'm not saying it is wrong, as i wouldn't mind seeing them myself, but there is always time to make this addition later and allow current players the chance to have their items, experience and skills to be transferred to a new character.

If the name is an issue you could allow "changed" players to display their old name in brackets under their new name for a while.

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A wall is built with small bricks. There is no such things as a "major addition", what you feel is one may just be a little for another. However, what is certain is, with every change brought to the game, we are heading somewhere, hopefully a better places, a better game.
Also, no one said it should be added to the game tomorrow, but having a confirmation it is added to the queue of changes truly planned is what we are looking for. :)

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Originally Posted by Nakiamiie

Also, no one said it should be added to the game tomorrow, but having a confirmation it is added to the queue of changes truly planned is what we are looking for. :)

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As long as that's true there is no problem.

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Originally Posted by Kirith

As long as that's true there is no problem.

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Been saying it every time someone complained.

about the character fees
1 character = 2 retainers + use of every class so the 3 is justified
retainers are pretty much ffxi mules. which is why they $1

unlike most games ffxi/ffxiv let 1 character be all classes. Where in most flat fee mmo you are stuck to 1 class. so making character would be free to have 1of every class.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

Been saying it every time someone complained.

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Let them complain, more views/posts/attention for us.