Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

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Originally Posted by Kallivis

Marriage has nothing to do with offspring lol.

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Your opinion.

Millions of people would disagree - as does historical tradition.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

According to you.

Millions of people would disagree.

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Millions of people apparently found a time machine and went back to ancient times.

Most people these days have children without even being married. People who are married go on with their lives without having children. People who are married are usually divorced several times throughout their lives.

There is no sanctity to marriage. There hasn't been any for ages. It's a legal trait, and nothing more. The only special thing about it is at most the ceremony or ability to call someone you love your husband or wife. It has nothing to do with biology.

The further I discuss this and the further I read people discussing this the sillier it becomes. Not only is same sex marriage becoming a common sense and ethics thing in real life, the realm of real life and game shouldn't even matter as it's been brought up several times.

Eorzea is filled with bisexuality and homosexuality. It is obviously normal. Many of the NPCs come across as bisexual. My path companion in the story, a female, was constantly flirting with my character, a female.

At the same time, Eorzea is also filled with animal abuse and other questionable things. Hey, since we can go through this fantasy game slaughtering animals constantly for items and experience, why can't I go around in real life doing it? Oh yeah, it's not the same.

The answer should be obvious to this ordeal. The concept of same sex marriage is spreading across the world like wildfire because it's obviously the right thing to do and more and more places each year are accepting it. So it's the right thing to do for a videogame to also adapt it, considering THE COMPETITION already has. Why would we want to give ARR another reason to fall behind the competition? Those other games are also world-wide.

Traditionally marriage was about trading land and bringing peace between waring people. They were arranged marriages and people usually never had the choice. I'm happy to see a shift in that way of thinking as we progress into the future, but there are still those with a rather unenlightened view of things. As with all things of this nature, we will drag them kicking and screaming into the future!

I foresee this thread being closed soon for the exact reasons I posted a while back. Nothing new is being brought to the discussion and it is degrading into personal attacks.

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Originally Posted by Kallivis

Millions of people apparently found a time machine and went back to ancient times.

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Ancient times = 1990 apparently?

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Originally Posted by Kallivis

Most people these days have children without even being married. People who are married go on with their lives without having children. People who are married are usually divorced several times throughout their lives.

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Yes, however there is potential to have offspring - even if that potential isn't actualized. And most people who get married do have offspring - which benefits society at large.

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Originally Posted by Kallivis

There is no sanctity to marriage. There hasn't been any for ages. It's a legal trait, and nothing more. The only special thing about it is at most the ceremony or ability to call someone you love your husband or wife. It has nothing to do with biology.

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Your opinion - others will disagree.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Except they aren't equal. There is no biological way for two people of the same sex to create offspring with each-other. (I apologize in advance if biological facts aren't politically correct, or offend people)

You may think "marriage" is just about nothing more than celebrating two people romantically involved each other. But for the last 5000 years, civilization has treated 'romance' as only one aspect of it. (and in arranged marriages, it might not be an aspect at all)

You want to change the meaning/purpose of marriage from it's historical roots.

Others will disagree, so don't be a hater.

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Historically, marriage is a religious/cultural institution, functionally it has little to do with biological procreation.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Ancient times = 1990 apparently?

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Not once in my entire life have I ever heard marriage about offspring, including when I used to be a religious nut but smartened up over the years and threw those teachings away.

Even so, if it is a rule of religion (which is generally the case in these arguments since no scientific or social rule will support any anti-homosexuality argument), real world religion has absolutely no place in games like this.

My most recent post stands.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Ancient times = 1990 apparently?



Yes, however there is potential to have offspring - even if that potential isn't actualized. And most people who get married do have offspring - which benefits society at large.



Your opinion - others will disagree.

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Whats right is not always popular, what popular is not always right. Just because a majority of people think this way does not mean we should continue along that path, its time for change. Slavery was highly supported and the majority of people thought this way, were they right?

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Originally Posted by Kallivis

Not once in my entire life have I ever heard marriage about offspring, including when I used to be a religious nut but smartened up over the years and threw those teachings away.

Even so, if it is a rule of religion (which is generally the case in these arguments since no scientific or social rule will support any anti-homosexuality argument), real world religion has absolutely no place in games like this.

My most recent post stands.

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You might need to get out more ;)

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Originally Posted by ZakarnRosewood

Whats right is not always popular, what popular is not always right. Just because a majority of people think this way does not mean we should continue along that path, its time for change. Slavery was highly supported and the majority of people thought this way, were they right?

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Opening a can of worms there...

So who/what determines what is right? How do you know that 60 years from now, people won't look back at SSM with the same disgust that we have for slavery?

I think the difficulty of this is that whatever it meant in the ancient past is not necessarily valid today any longer.

Very basically marriage is a promise to be together forever.

It was necessary in the past for families as, starting eons in the past up to years in the 20th century, women had little rights and were often tied to the men around them (in several cultures even). In some cultures they had to obey their fathers first, then their husbands, then their son and if all of those passed away, their brother. Furthermore women where handled by their virginity. A woman that was not virgin anymore, was (and sometimes is still today) considered impure (and maybe worthless).
Marriage was a protection for women and their children because if the promise had been made then it was more difficult for them to be forsaken and also to be tormented by other men.

If the "family founding" was just an "idea of the moment" the woman might get pregnant and suddenly the man might decide to leave her just because. A pregnant single woman at ancient (till more modern) times was probably considered a severe disgrace, not to mention that it would be close to impossible or at least socially really hard to raise a child or more on your own. Those children would, too, suffer a huge impact of the social standing of their mother.

Besides this marriage was also for expanding and keeping power, for gaining prestige and wealth. A cleverly arranged marriage could bring a family a lot of honour while the wedded woman (and man) were just the pawns in the game.


So at least I think it was not really for reproduction or at least not for reproduction only - because you can reproduce without marriage - but to keep the given social norms stable and to influence social situations, from a minor household up to a whole kingdom, a bonding of humans had to be made.



However this cannot be applied in at least our Western society anymore.
A single woman can (more or less) raise children alone and she is not considered a disgrace or worthless person (at least ideally). Ideally, there is no social rule than women have no freedom and need to be obedient to their husband so that they'd need a marriage to tie themselves to them as a security.
And since inherited power has been removed with democracy political marriages are at least no official and expected game of our society anymore.
Don't want to be too biased on men though as their situation has also changed: They don't need to present enormous wedding presents to vow for (or "buy") their brides, they too have more freedom to choose a partner and not have to tie her(him) to himself etc.


The idea of a promise to stay together forever has stayed though but due to our society there are new premises and possibilities tied to it.


So since the social norm has changed the social norm for marriage has changed, too. You cannot apply an ancient marriage concept that comes from a totally different society on a modern society whose binding behaviour and gender models have changed drastically.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Opening a can of worms there...

So who/what determines what is right? How do you know that 60 years from now, people won't look back at SSM with the same disgust that we have for slavery?

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Because people are smartening up with social and scientific advancements.

Do you see other animals getting married? I don't. They still reproduce.

They also engage in homosexual activity.

Hell, I took off my shoe at my girlfriend's house before and her cat walked up and started having sex with it.

Everybody and everything is nuts. At least in our global retardation we could at the very least make things better for people in general and allow people the same rights other people have. It's not hurting anyone.

Zan: it appears to be a personal thing where you have a disgust for SSM (many people do and that is sad) but what does it matter to you if two people love each other enough to want to dedicate their lives to one another? just because you think its icky and they cant have babies? those parts still function, there are surrogate mothers, orphanages, and many other ways this type of union will greatly benefit society as a whole.

but we arent even talking about real life here, this supposed to be about a video game, a fantasy world where there is magic, monsters, and myths. unfortunately it will be people like you that make SE afraid to add in SSM for fear of offending someones sensibilities. as for your "strongest argument" about biology, can hetro married couples have a baby in FFXI or FFXIV?

If you are a representative of the site of the same name, i have lost a lot of respect for you guys. not that you will care but i will no longer be supporting that site.

There are also many "single mum" animals and some females even eat their "husbands". :p
Of course there are also groups of animals that stay together their whole life like penguins or swans.
There is such a diversity in the unions of animals that one cannot derive "one" way of family from it, specially that is applicable for human beings.

And to stress this: I think allowing SSM does not mean that DSM becomes anyhow less valuable!!!
It is a CHOICE of lifestyle. Personally I really want to have a "classical" family with a husband and children. That is my family dream so to speak.
But that doesn't mean that this applies for others too.
If you just can't love a woman as a man (or a man as a woman) but you still have the really really urgent wish to have a family nonetheless and to raise children with then one you love then what can be done about it? Force yourself to become different? I don't think that will work.
And I think it is the wrong way to protect the DSM by forbidding another kind of marriage.
Speaking of a real society that is worried about birth rates there should rather be measures to strengthen family making (also from an economic point of view because specially for women the work/family factor is difficult and it is also difficult for men who actually want to be fulltime fathers).
Allowing LGBT to marry won't make more people gay. There will be more orphans that could then possibly have a family though. Homosexuality always existed.

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Originally Posted by ZakarnRosewood

If you are a representative of the site of the same name, i have lost a lot of respect for you guys. not that you will care but i will no longer be supporting that site.

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I don't think that person is a representative of the site.

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Originally Posted by ZakarnRosewood

Zan: it appears to be a personal thing where you have a disgust for SSM.

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Nice projection job there. Nowhere did I say that I have disgust for SSM. (I did say that I had disgust for slavery... perhaps you are confusing the two?)

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If you are a representative of the site of the same name, i have lost a lot of respect for you guys. not that you will care but i will no longer be supporting that site.

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Who has disgust for others' opinions again?

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Nice projection job there. Nowhere did I say that I have disgust for SSM.



Who has disgust for others' opinions again?

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I think you'd do well to stop deviating from the topic with baseless arguments and things such as offspring and tradition and answer what I addressed in post 723: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post893582 Considering it sums up the primary thing the ones arguing against this concept have yet to address.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Nice projection job there. Nowhere did I say that I have disgust for SSM.



Who has disgust for others' opinions again?

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in one of your comments you implied that people would hold the same disgust for SSM as they do for slavery in the future, my apologies if i assumed you were one of those people.

as for disgust, no, more like disappointment. like another poster said you may not be a rep of that community so i will reserve that until i have verification.

you are entitled to your opinion though and i apologize for participating in a topic I knew would go nowhere.

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Originally Posted by ZakarnRosewood

you are entitled to your opinion though and i apologize for participating in a topic I knew would go nowhere.

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Yoshida requested opinions from the community about this subject, that is why this thread still exists.

Although there have been some cases of name-calling the thread is still a debate. They take this information into consideration, and it has been well-moderated as the mods have been actively removing pointless posts.

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Originally Posted by Kallivis

I think you'd do well to stop deviating from the topic with baseless arguments and things such as offspring and tradition and answer what I addressed in post 723: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post893582 Considering it sums up the primary thing the ones arguing against this concept have yet to address.

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I stick by what I've said all along.

1) FFXIV should not have marriages in the game at all. They are stupid/silly and add needless drama to the game. I know of several endgame FFXI linkshells that broke up over the absurd marriage drama in that game.

2) If they DO end up adding marriages to FFXIV (and sadly, they are), they should call them something other than "Marriage" (in which case they won't run into any touchy issues with having same sex couples 'bond'). It's in SE's best interest to stay away from toxic political/cultural issues.


I think most people (who don't have a SSM agenda) would agree with me on that second point -- and the smartest will agree with me on the first.

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Originally Posted by ZakarnRosewood

I foresee this thread being closed soon for the exact reasons I posted a while back. Nothing new is being brought to the discussion and it is degrading into personal attacks.

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Oh, so you mean like 90% of the topics on these forums? Guess we should close all of those too, to be fair.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

I stick by what I've said all along.

1) FFXIV should not have marriages in the game at all. They are stupid and silly and add needless drama to the game, I know of several FFXI linkshells that fell broke up over the stupid marriage drama in that game.

2) If they DO end up adding marriages to FFXIV, call them something other than "Marriage". It's in SE's best interest to stay away from toxic political issues.


I think most people would agree with me on that second point.

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What you've been saying all along has nothing to do with that. You may have stated these points in an earlier post, but the majority of your posts have been pointless arguments against same sex marriage. There are many people who may or may not support same sex marriage who managed to stick with that second point you made and I agree with that point. They should just rename the system.

Your first point is baseless because what you find stupid and silly is not what others may find stupid and silly. There is drama over loot and many other things, this is a social game. Marriage is just another system, and from a business perspective it's a system that many games in the competition offer that people enjoy. Not only that, the competition allows for same sex marriage.

So again I agree that they should change the name but I do not agree that it is a silly system. Considering Eorzea's take on things are much different from real life and there is plenty of obvious homosexuality in the game, it might as well allow the same sex to take part.

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Originally Posted by Kallivis

Your first point is baseless because what you find stupid and silly is not what others may find stupid and silly. There is drama over loot and many other things, this is a social game. Marriage is just another system, and from a business perspective it's a system that many games in the competition offer that people enjoy. Not only that, the competition allows for same sex marriage

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"Marriage" adds needless drama, while at the same time being meaningless in the larger context of the game.

Competition? For what, exactly? You don't get any gear or in game benefit for convincing people to be your online "spouse" (if you did, well.. that would cause a whole new slew of problems)

Just pointless drama.


But its gonna be there, so I guess I'm just lamenting it, :(

I think we could close this thread though, under the condition that we get a rep response indicating they have passed on the following info:

1. That the player demand for the removal of the gender restriction is there (just check the front page poll if you don't want to read through 740+ replies).

2. That a large number of players are okay with the idea of renaming marriage to something else, especially if it helps them remove the gender restrictions.

Maybe it's just me but I think I could live with a response like that. At least then Yoshida would know of our feelings about the new announcement and that we're open to some alternative ideas regarding it if need be. What he was told before was just about marriage in general, before it was truly a confirmed feature.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

"Marriage" adds needless drama, while at the same time being meaningless in the larger context of the game.

Competition? For what, exactly? You don't get any gear or in game benefit for convincing people to be your online "spouse" (if you did, well.. that would cause a whole new slew of problems)

Just pointless drama.

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Every single thing in the game will add drama. Having loot will have drama. Having achievements will have drama. PVP will have drama. Why don't we just get rid of all that? Heck let's get rid of chatting altogether and stop the drama.

Even if marriage isn't implemented people are still gonna have relationship drama in the game. What a silly thing to say.

As for the competition part you clearly didn't read what I said so read it again. I'm talking from a business perspective. Square Enix's competition (other MMOs) allow marriage (many same-sex marriage). It is not a wise business decision to sell yourself short and not allow something like that, and it doesn't look good in the eyes of the public. Those games are also world-wide and the games received more support for allowing same-sex marriage than the opposite. Again, they can make the situation win-win by just changing the name and allowing same-sex couples to participate.

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Originally Posted by Kallivis

Every single thing in the game will add drama. Having loot will have drama. Having achievements will have drama. PVP will have drama. Why don't we just get rid of all that? Heck let's get rid of chatting altogether and stop the drama.

Even if marriage isn't implemented people are still gonna have relationship drama in the game. What a silly thing to say.

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I said pointless drama.

Loot, PVP, Achievements are all real activities, they have rewards, and impact gameplay - they offset the drama by the benefit they bring to the game. (maybe not Achievements, but they don't cause much drama either lol)

"Marriage" in an mmo is an exclusive relationship. Sure, you'll have drama without them, but I assure you that it gets ramped up exponentially once you have some sort of exclusive and irreversible stamp on it. (or are we gonna get divorces too?)

Still...

Don't people play this game for FF-themed fun and adventure like I do?

Sometimes, it seems I'm just a lone, starry-eyed Final Fantasy buff in a sea of e-peens, "second-lifers", and WoW graduates. All of who campaign relentlessly to make this game into something more (and simultaneously less) than a Final Fantasy MMO.

*nukes this thread from orbit*

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Don't people play this game for FF-themed fun and adventure like I do?

Sometimes, it seems I'm just a lone, starry-eyed Final Fantasy buff in a sea of e-peens, "second-lifers", and WoW graduates. All of who campaign relentlessly to make this game into something more (and simultaneously less) than a Final Fantasy MMO.

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MINE IS WAYY BIGGER THEn...

I havent decided if Yoshi is going to avoid the core FF elements or not - I mean the trailer was pretty awesome and Loui' dying was (dont judge me) so great. I think it doesnt help him that he started so far behind in the race of MMO's (because FFXIV should have been delayed lol), so all he has been doing recently is content to get the machine that never ran to run.

But yes, I worry that at the end of all things it wont be a FF MMO but a general MMO in FF skin (not that general mmos are bad, its just not what I'm looking for).


(FF usually mixes in the whimsical activities to real achievements (dodging 200 lightning bolts = awesome weapon) but marriage wouldn't be pointless (adds socializing content) - not that it is a "hot" feature either.

Not only for those against same sex marriages but in a general sense I think a soul or blood bonding would allow for more content to be spun around it (making a quest where you go fight dragons with your wife sounds funnier then going off to fight with your soul kin / blood kin). But w.e, SE asked our opinions - they should expect to see maybe double the current post count we have now lol.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Sometimes, it seems I'm just a lone, starry-eyed Final Fantasy buff in a sea of e-peens, "second-lifers", and WoW graduates. All of who campaign relentlessly to make this game into something more (and simultaneously less) than a Final Fantasy MMO.

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For a Final Fantasy buff you don't seem to have a firm grasp on what Final Fantasy is about.

Not that I am directly trying to defend a marriage concept and equating that to Final Fantasy.

Think about every single thing that's ever happened in a Final Fantasy game from the very first one to the most recent. The characters, the stories, the music, the emotions, the world, the art, everything. If you are a buff you are probably well-read into the background of Final Fantasy development and the developers ideas put in place.

What else makes Final Fantasy a Final Fantasy?

The people.

The whole point of it is to build everlasting friendships and bonds with people as you go about saving the world. Romance is all a part of that.

This is a social game, which brings out the best of Final Fantasy (and as well the worst in MMOs). The drama will always be there and there is nothing anyone can do to stop the drama.

This isn't just some pointless idea someone on the development team came up with. This is a team of Final Fantasy (and MMO) veterans and it's almost like by saying that you think you know more about Final Fantasy than they do.

Think about the world of Eorzea and the NPCs and everything else. The whole point of the system is to add more depth to the social structure as well as the lore and world itself.

While I said blood kin / soul kin would probably allow for better content and easier acceptance by the community I'd also like to remind people that SE has quite the heart for romance :P.

http://youtu.be/xlwSPMwAqbM (FFX because graphics but pretty much all FF have some sort of romance ("sexual" or just kin romance))

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lb...x5kbo1_400.jpg

6,7,8,10, have a lot of romance elements >_>

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Originally Posted by RoxyLalonde

6,7,8,10, have a lot of romance elements >_>

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They all add some sort of romance lol, though most of them where tradiontional love relationships. You skipped 9 btw :P

Until I thought of Tidus X Yuna I was pretty statisfied with the ritual bonding but now... I'm thinking marriage has to be added lol.

SE dont be a puss :P You always love having relationships its often a key point of your game. In FFXIV its our story - so its time to make our relationships. I'm already married* so I'd probably do it for fun but I know of a few real life and in game players that met and married (irl) from FFXI.

* Slowly whittling my wife into playing more and more games but RPGs is hard for her to get into, it will happen I swears it, maybe in FFXX Online but it will happen >.> lol

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Originally Posted by Shougun

SE dont be a puss :P You always love having relationships its often a key point of your game. In FFXIV its our story - so its time to make our relationships. I'm already married so I'd probably do it for fun but I know of a few real life and in game players that met and married (irl) from FFXI.

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Yeah the funny thing is I feel even stronger about the marriage system now that you showed that picture and reminded me. I was always aware of the romance aspect throughout FF but these last couple of posts just made me realize the actual gravity of it all.

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Originally Posted by Kallivis

Yeah the funny thing is I feel even stronger about the marriage system now that you showed that picture and reminded me. I was always aware of the romance aspect throughout FF but these last couple of posts just made me realize the actual gravity of it all.

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right? lol I was like meh bonding its cool too.

Then I had some of my OCremix music going and it hit a FFX romance song while reading this thread.

Flipped my table and roared TIDUS SHOULD HAVE MARRIED YUNA! And now I'm pretty set. Marriage is coming.

I'm going to be frank... I'm engaged and my fiance and I will both be playing boy characters this time around. My fiance has wanted to play a male miqote since we started and of course a male mithra since he was playing XI... When we heard the news that there would be no SSM my fiance looked distraught then looked at me and said "I can make a girl character" That moment literally broke me. I literally don't care if they call it marriage or w/e but I will be damned if he will be forced to make a girl character.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

They all add some sort of romance lol, though most of them where tradiontional love relationships. You skipped 9 btw :P

Until I thought of Tidus X Yuna I was pretty statisfied with the ritual bonding but now... I'm thinking marriage has to be added lol.

SE dont be a puss :P You always love having relationships its often a key point of your game. In FFXIV its our story - so its time to make our relationships. I'm already married* so I'd probably do it for fun but I know of a few real life and in game players that met and married (irl) from FFXI.

* Slowly whittling my wife into playing more and more games but RPGs is hard for her to get into, it will happen I swears it, maybe in FFXX Online but it will happen >.> lol

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While I agree that SE should stop cowering in fear and just allow same sex marriage, if that's not an option then I'd prefer they rename it so they can remove the restrictions. Over 75% of the votes in this post are for it. Honestly most of the "argument" isn't even against same sex marriage, it's against marriage in general lol.

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Originally Posted by Kallivis

For a Final Fantasy buff you don't seem to have a firm grasp on what Final Fantasy is about.

Not that I am directly trying to defend a marriage concept and equating that to Final Fantasy.

Think about every single thing that's ever happened in a Final Fantasy game from the very first one to the most recent. The characters, the stories, the music, the emotions, the world, the art, everything. If you are a buff you are probably well-read into the background of Final Fantasy development and the developers ideas put in place.

What else makes Final Fantasy a Final Fantasy?

The whole point of it is to build everlasting friendships and bonds with people as you go about saving the world. Romance is all a part of that.

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You're argument seems to be predicated on the idea that you can't have romance unless the system gives you a 'stamp of approval'. (Seems a bit contrary to romance, but w/e)

Why not just make an exclusive Linkshell between you and your romantic partner, call all your friends to celebrate, and call it a day?

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Originally Posted by RoxyLalonde

I'm going to be frank... I'm engaged and my fiance and I will both be playing boy characters this time around. My fiance has wanted to play a male miqote since we started and of course a male mithra since he was playing XI... When we heard the news that there would be no SSM my fiance looked distraught then looked at me and said "I can make a girl character" That moment literally broke me. I literally don't care if they call it marriage or w/e but I will be damned if he will be forced to make a girl character.

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Yeah I think SE can work with the naming but the "theme" should remain intact. Infact the name should probably be changed along with wordings, this is Erozea and it has its own place (lore).

I think after I finish some homework I'll make "Romance for erozea" sig. I'm usually happy sigless but thinking about SE natural habit of romance.. this is actually a big thing (just in the way of how SE conducts its games, it wouldn't be FF without it).

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Originally Posted by Arcell

While I agree that SE should stop cowering in fear and just allow same sex marriage, if that's not an option then I'd prefer they rename it so they can remove the restrictions. Over 75% of the votes in this post are for it. Honestly most of the "argument" isn't even against same sex marriage, it's against marriage in general lol.

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Like how I responded to Roxy - the name is irrelevant (at least in playing this game, not discussing real world matters). I encourage SE to make their own names and lores when possible.

And I was thinking marriage could be replaced by a more easier to orient by "game play" content like a binding system but - then I remember FF is about friendship but is also about romance. Since this is an MMO and it is obvious that we are not watching someone elses story but playing our own - it is now our friendships and romances. Having a system that supports what a FF IS, is not a bad thing.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

You're argument seems to be predicated on the idea that you can't have romance unless the system gives you a 'stamp of approval'. (Seems a bit contrary to romance, but w/e)

Why not just make an exclusive Linkshell between you and your romantic partner, call all your friends to celebrate, and call it a day?

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Considering I've been saying the complete opposite throughout this thread and to you directly, no lol. Nice try though.

Another retaliation that doesn't even come close to scratching the surface of what I had said.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

You're argument seems to be predicated on the idea that you can't have romance unless the system gives you a 'stamp of approval'. (Seems a bit contrary to romance, but w/e)

Why not just make an exclusive Linkshell between you and your romantic partner, call all your friends to celebrate, and call it a day?

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That would be fine if they weren't adding a marriage system into the game and making it restrictive. It's fairly clear by the live letter that they're already working on it or plan to in the near future. They wouldn't announce it unless it was definite. Whether or not any of our suggestions make it through has yet to be seen.

The point is though, that doing something like that is unfair to same sex couples because they are not allowed to use an existing feature because of their character genders. You're letting these people get married and others aren't. The point of almost all the arguments here is that it's not fair to those players. They shouldn't have to use some unofficial work-around when others are allowed to use the marriage feature.