Difficult experience in Forked Tower – a reminder to respect public content

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Originally Posted by Kasumii

can still rez after the boss is defeated.

By your logic we shouldn't rez anyone in FT because if they're dead they clearly got a mechanic wrong and are a danger and a threat to the group and their limited raises.

Clearly if someone in your pre-made dies then it's also because they do not understand the fight so that makes it okay to leave them dead on the floor too? Surely you agree with me?

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You cant wipe a critical engagement in occult by standing in the wrong spot. You can wipe a forked tower by standing in the wrong spot.

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Originally Posted by Kasumii

If they do not maliciously do anything then you're out of luck (that goes for your snarky comment regarding obstruction of play. Obstruction of play is not reviving someone maliciously for example, not being a bad player/doing a mechanic wrong)

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If you're joining a group at a further prog point than you in content that one error can result in a full wipe, you are obstructing their play. It's very straightforward. Just because the entrance to the content is a glowy platform and not a PF listing, does not make it any less disruptive to do.

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Originally Posted by Neclord

If you're joining a group at a further prog point than you in content that one error can result in a full wipe, you are obstructing their play. It's very straightforward. Just because the entrance to the content is a glowy platform and not a PF listing, does not make it any less disruptive to do.

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You're shifting the goal posts again (not like I expected any less) and ignore my point. You are not obstructing anyone for doing the content if you give it your best shot and don't intentionally/maliciously cause a wipe. You are obstructing the random if you deny them a raise when you fully know you could raise him and even announce as much in chat. Why do you people constantly ignore the "malicious" angle so much...? Almost like you do not want to admit that you're acting in a malicious way. But it is whatever, I am done wasting my breath with you and yours. Go dunk on some more "snipers" and feel superior in your little discord groups that are above everyone else, nobody can take that away from you.

Have a good day :)

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Originally Posted by Kasumii

You're shifting the goal posts again (not like I expected any less) and ignore my point. You are not obstructing anyone for doing the content if you give it your best shot and don't intentionally/maliciously cause a wipe. You are obstructing the random if you deny them a raise when you fully know you could raise him and even announce as much in chat. Why do you people constantly ignore the "malicious" angle so much...? Almost like you do not want to admit that you're acting in a malicious way. But it is whatever, I am done wasting my breath with you and yours. Go dunk on some more "snipers" and feel superior in your little discord groups that are above everyone else, nobody can take that away from you.

Have a good day :)

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You've convinced me. I'll just join a FRU kill party despite never having been in the instance. I'll be trying my best so I won't be obstructing the 7 other people going for their first kill when I inevitably cause multiple wipes. If they express annoyance at my presence there I will report them for harassment. If they ask me why I think it's appropriate to behave in this way, I will direct them to your posts on this thread.

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Originally Posted by Lonfy

We saw the stream VOD, we know you joined the run on purpose and that you were fully aware that it was Rinon's group again. We also know you're planning to do it again. Stop the weird lying and dramamongering.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2492919274?t=03h13m24s

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Thanks for linking the VOD, wasn't aware there was one.

How does this VOD proves your point ?
OP's POV was at all time on the platform waiting for the right weather, when was there a message saying it was premade and rdms weren't welcome ?
OP even said he checked if your Rinnon-sama was live just in case it was like last week, as to NOT REPEAT the "drama" from last week.
You can hear people talking about taking jobs they've mastered to be usefull and such, how is that toxic or sniping ?
The only toxic behaviour you can see in the VOD is people targeting other with emote to single them out, and people laughing and trolling when someone asks to be revived.

Saying that a group trying to do open content is necessarily a group of sniper is blatantly egocentric.
Get off your high horse.

A Fru kill party is a static group. No one has a right to be in your group. But Forked Tower is more like a roulette. Random plyers are placed in an instance. They aren't equivalent. Not raising in Fork tower is equal to not raising in an alliance raid. There is no "leader" in random placed contents. And everyone got the right to be there. It is not "your" instance. It is everyone's instance.
There are completely different rules between static content and open content. This is open content. It isn't your static. Your people don't own that instance, everyone in it does.
This is the difference between public property and your house. The static is YOUR house, you get to decide who comes and stays and what they do in it. Fork Tower is the public property, you haver no rule over it and every is entitled to if if they have access.
You are making false equivalences.
You do not get to harass and grief someone for coming to the amusement park if its open to the public. You are trying to section of a part of the park and tell others they can't play in it unless they follow your rules. You aren't the owner of the park, you do not get to do that. If people aren't breaking any terms of service, too bad. Nothing requires you to go in there with them. It is your choice to engage in the content with them. But its not your content to control. So get over yourself you entitled elite.

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Originally Posted by Watai

Thanks for linking the VOD, wasn't aware there was one.

How does this VOD proves your point ?
OP's POV was at all time on the platform waiting for the right weather, when was there a message saying it was premade and rdms weren't welcome ?
OP even said he checked if your Rinnon-sama was live just in case it was like last week, as to NOT REPEAT the "drama" from last week.
You can hear people talking about taking jobs they've mastered to be usefull and such, how is that toxic or sniping ?
The only toxic behaviour you can see in the VOD is people targeting other with emote to single them out, and people laughing and trolling when someone asks to be revived.

Saying that a group trying to do open content is necessarily a group of sniper is blatantly egocentric.
Get off your high horse.

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Sir you are in their party and are speaking on your own private discord in the VOD

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Originally Posted by Willothewisps

Sir you are in their party and are speaking on your own private discord in the VOD

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How does that answer anything ?

75 pages later this is still going on.

@Yoshi-P if you were going to do a live letter the following question was as important or more important than any other.
* what were your teams intentions for FT. What are they now. Because if it's less than 48 it sounds like others can do join.
* What is your intention? Please get off the fence and say something.

Either you intend premades to 'get along and work properly with independents' (in which case given the privilege they've enjoyed I suggest you ignore if they are going to get but hut over it)
Or do you intend the high-end community to do it their way and it's not for have-a-go casuals, in which case just say so, it's not like casuals aren't used to be being treated that way.

Bruh they really threw in 6 ciphers to intentionally snipe and then played the victim. that's craaazy

/e: also crazy how one page back someone basically proved my point. the people here would interrupt a soccer game in a public park because "it's public". while the amusement park comparison is a bit more extreme, that's what they're saying. no wonder nobody wants to play with these people

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Originally Posted by 0blivion

Bruh they really threw in 6 ciphers to intentionally snipe and then played the victim. that's craaazy

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What was snipe? How did they 'snipe'? I'm not watching any videos. I won't understand.

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Originally Posted by Gurgeh

What was snipe? How did they 'snipe'? I'm not watching any videos. I won't understand.

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We joined OC, waited for the right weather so the FT opens, put in ciphers (OP put 6, i put 1) and entered, while the "premade" was there, but they never said they were premade so they got angry when we got in and griefed by not reviving and making us lose levels.

So from now on everyone learn from this important lesson given by your lords Oblivion and Neclord: you want to do open content but you see players who aren't from your party waiting to do it too ? leave or you'll get divine justice.

Bruh, they called the parties being ready in chat. You saw that, it's literally in the VOD, so OP stacked ciphers to ensure a space in the tower. That was intentional malice. Also, if you die to the personal mech on boss 2, that is extremely on you. Same for everything before boss 2.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

Given CAR and FT, one might argue that large-scale content in MMOs does not work at all.

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This is a separate conversation but there has definitely been a trend towards smaller-scale content over the years.

Hard content in FFXI was generally done in an 18 player alliance.
I never played EQ but I think raids were generally 54 player?
WoW started off with 40 player raids.

WoW now tends towards 5 player dungeon content and 10-20 player raids.
FFXIV revolves almost exclusively around 8 player raids with some notable exceptions.

You lose part of the MMO grandeur when you reduce the player numbers, but you also remove a lot of the frustration. With every player that you add, you also add a point of failure. When you're raiding in a group of 50+ players, statistically, you need everyone to be able to complete the content with 98% consistency, otherwise you're just sitting around waiting for the attempt where no one makes a mistake.

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Originally Posted by Akivar

A Fru kill party is a static group. No one has a right to be in your group. But Forked Tower is more like a roulette. Random plyers are placed in an instance. They aren't equivalent. Not raising in Fork tower is equal to not raising in an alliance raid. There is no "leader" in random placed contents. And everyone got the right to be there. It is not "your" instance. It is everyone's instance.
There are completely different rules between static content and open content. This is open content. It isn't your static. Your people don't own that instance, everyone in it does.
This is the difference between public property and your house. The static is YOUR house, you get to decide who comes and stays and what they do in it. Fork Tower is the public property, you haver no rule over it and every is entitled to if if they have access.
You are making false equivalences.
You do not get to harass and grief someone for coming to the amusement park if its open to the public. You are trying to section of a part of the park and tell others they can't play in it unless they follow your rules. You aren't the owner of the park, you do not get to do that. If people aren't breaking any terms of service, too bad. Nothing requires you to go in there with them. It is your choice to engage in the content with them. But its not your content to control. So get over yourself you entitled elite.

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Forked Tower is not an amusement park. It's a piece of content that people are working together to clear.

PF is open content. It's just behind a menu and party description. Do you lose all inhibition and moral judgement just because the method of entry is a glowing platform? I suppose we now know why breakfast cereals do better when they have a cartoon animal as its brand.

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Originally Posted by Watai

We joined OC, waited for the right weather so the FT opens, put in ciphers (OP put 6, i put 1) and entered, while the "premade" was there, but they never said they were premade so they got angry when we got in and griefed by not reviving and making us lose levels.

So from now on everyone learn from this important lesson given by your lords Oblivion and Neclord: you want to do open content but you see players who aren't from your party waiting to do it too ? leave or you'll get divine justice.

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Why are you running up, targeting and emoting at the guy whose group “didn’t say they were premade?”

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2492919274?t=03h38m09s

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Originally Posted by 0blivion

Bruh, they called the parties being ready in chat. You saw that, it's literally in the VOD, so OP stacked ciphers to ensure a space in the tower. That was intentional malice. Also, if you die to the personal mech on boss 2, that is extremely on you. Same for everything before boss 2.

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Can you point exactly what messages you are talking about ? So that i can better iditenfy them later on.
I have all channels enabled and i didn't see anything.

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Originally Posted by Willothewisps

Why are you running up, targeting and emoting at the guy whose group “didn’t say they were premade?”

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2492919274?t=03h38m09s

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Once again that's not me playing. Get your facts straight.

I love the FORKED TOWER. It provides not only PEAK enjoyment but also a lot of salt, wasted words and tears. Everytime i enter the Occult Crescent i want to turn my mind off and grind away like a mindless drone and patiently wait for the right weather conditions to get access to my most beloved content piece, the FORKED TOWER. But before i can enter it, i need to experience the struggle of getting all my raidmembers into the right instance. It fills me with such excitement having to go through that procedure EVERY time. Then i will turn my clock to 30 minutes and get to experience the joy of missing out on fates because they die to fast. Oh boy, now it is time for my favorite part. The last step before i can FINALLY (maybe) enter the FORKED TOWER. Going to the ruin, waiting for the right weather conditions and enter my cipher. But wait, what is this? I spot some cool peepos that are not in my raidgroup. Oh boy, here we go! Time for some GAMBA and see if i actually get my slot to enter once the platform starts glowing. I look at my party members: ''You got a buff, good for you.'' Then i look at myself and notice i don't have a buff. Gl team, i will respectfully twiddle my thumbs and grind mindlessly away like the drone i am. But after all of these struggles i still can't stop myself from wanting to enter the FORKED TOWER again. And in the end i still LOVE the FORKED TOWER!
P.S. Oh boy you love to see it, people love the FORKED TOWER so much that there is a forum thread now with all the appreciation for it. #BORKED TOWER

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Originally Posted by Akivar

A Fru kill party is a static group. No one has a right to be in your group. But Forked Tower is more like a roulette. Random plyers are placed in an instance. They aren't equivalent. Not raising in Fork tower is equal to not raising in an alliance raid. There is no "leader" in random placed contents. And everyone got the right to be there. It is not "your" instance. It is everyone's instance.
There are completely different rules between static content and open content. This is open content. It isn't your static. Your people don't own that instance, everyone in it does.
This is the difference between public property and your house. The static is YOUR house, you get to decide who comes and stays and what they do in it. Fork Tower is the public property, you haver no rule over it and every is entitled to if if they have access.
You are making false equivalences.
You do not get to harass and grief someone for coming to the amusement park if its open to the public. You are trying to section of a part of the park and tell others they can't play in it unless they follow your rules. You aren't the owner of the park, you do not get to do that. If people aren't breaking any terms of service, too bad. Nothing requires you to go in there with them. It is your choice to engage in the content with them. But its not your content to control. So get over yourself you entitled elite.

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Again what you write is cool and all, but the fact of the matter no one is obliged to raise someone that not in their party, It's not like roulette cause you don't go into the duty matched with random players, you are inside the party/group you were with when you were still in south horn instance.

In roulette you queue and you get matched inside party with 7 other players, in forked tower you go in solo, you stay solo no party no shenanigans,

What you claim is that if i go into south horn and someone dead on the other said of the map i am obliged to raise them. cause we are matched to the same instance/duty right?

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Originally Posted by Watai

Once again that's not me playing. Get your facts straight.

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https://i.ibb.co/gb9Y6mbf/IMG-3355.jpg

Whatever you say, Ptiripou Kouplestetes.

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Originally Posted by Willothewisps

https://i.ibb.co/gb9Y6mbf/IMG-3355.jpg

Whatever you say, Ptiripou Kouplestetes.

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Thank you, named grayed out means i'm far away so not the one emoting.
Amazing to see how blind people can be when they are angry, it's kinda sad too.
Unlike others here, my main character is the one linked to my forum account i feel no need to hide from anyone.

Also name dropping like a boss when it's public info o.O
https://imghost.net/ib/WsuHstaXcfZwewx_1750687444.jpg

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Originally Posted by Watai

We joined OC, waited for the right weather so the FT opens, put in ciphers (OP put 6, i put 1) and entered, while the "premade" was there, but they never said they were premade so they got angry when we got in and griefed by not reviving and making us lose levels.

So from now on everyone learn from this important lesson given by your lords Oblivion and Neclord: you want to do open content but you see players who aren't from your party waiting to do it too ? leave or you'll get divine justice.

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The screenshot in the first post literrally politely tell "premade, don't join, we won't raise you". You are doing it on purpose there.

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Originally Posted by Jeycht

The screenshot in the first post literrally politely tell "premade, don't join, we won't raise you". You are doing it on purpose there.

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The post is a week old, you a referring to something that happened last week, i entered this post yesterday concerning what happened yesterday.

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Originally Posted by Watai

Also name dropping like a boss when it's public info o.O
https://imghost.net/ib/WsuHstaXcfZwewx_1750687444.jpg

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Again, you’re not an impartial third party commenting on this. You and your friends have been going out of their way yesterday solely to antagonise 48 people.

You knew exactly what you doing, a little transcript for our English speaking friends, aye?

From 3.26.20 : "Time to bring the snipes [...] They are gona insult us (while laughing) [...] (the girl) Wait yeah I know, I think it's the conclave, the discord. It's a conclave run, they are FR and I just saw a guy that also does BA runs, it's one of the leads [...] Wait I'm going to look on discord if they are all on a voice channel [..] Hope we go in and snipe Arcus spot"

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Originally Posted by Willothewisps

Again, you’re not an impartial third party commenting on this. You and your friends have been going out of their way yesterday solely to antagonise 48 people.

You knew exactly what you doing, a little transcript for our English speaking friends, aye?

From 3.26.20 : "Time to bring the snipes [...] They are gona insult us (while laughing) [...] (the girl) Wait yeah I know, I think it's the conclave, the discord. It's a conclave run, they are FR and I just saw a guy that also does BA runs, it's one of the leads [...] Wait I'm going to look on discord if they are all on a voice channel [..] Hope we go in and snipe Arcus spot"

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All of that while laughing without even seeing any names that reminded us of anything before, we were joking about this very post from last week.
Our teammates recognized a name she saw once in conclave, big deal doesn't mean this person spends his entire life on raid runs does it ?
Once again she checked if it was an organized run so that we could avoid this situation and there was obviously nothing there.
As for hoping to snipe a certain Arcus it's one of our friends which we knew wasn't online.


Also namedropping someone who isn't even remotly concerned with the issue at hand is some next level bullying.

If you include the pride month in your statements as to why you grief someone in game, which you later claim is a joke, why can't you understand that everyone laughing after something is said is a joke aswell ?
Stop taking things out of context and be real.

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Originally Posted by Watai

All of that while laughing without even seeing any names that reminded us of anything before, we were joking about this very post from last week.

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From 3.38.6 : "It's Rinon! The one that blamed me for sniping! [...] So funny, it's the comeback! [...] I'm going to salute him!"

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Originally Posted by Maltothoris

I beleve it was during one of the 7.2 live letters that certai phanton jobs would be needed to clear the content or you wouldn't get that far.

Also the tankbusters in forked hurt as much as they do in ultimate.

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Most people don't watch live letters because they contain spoilers and are in Japanese only and most people don't join or come to the forum (or know it exists) so they don't read the translations of it if they even translate that specific part so talking about it there may not even exist.

Being able to queue in with 48 is nicer but still misses the point we just want to queue directly. Their point if the translation is accurate about "direct queuing" making it too easy is completely stupid since the hardest content in the game can be queued back to back, criterion savage and ultimates. The group of people I was trying to do it with on thursday couldn't even get all of us in the same instance and we were just around 30 members. After trying that for like an hour and a half or so we gave up since there wasn't a ton of time left to do it even if we got in eventually.

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Originally Posted by Aviatorhead

The fact that any of this is an issue at all is miserable. Why would they design content like this. The only reason I can find from yoship was when he said the last thing like this had 'too much support'. What? Too many people liked it? So we have to make the new one miserable? Not even in a Hardcore players will like this way but with stupid over the top penalties for messing up that waste everyones time.

Is the threat of having to wait 30-40 minutes for your next pull engaging to anyone? How about being wiped, or being able to wipe, 40+ people because of 1 mistake?

I don't think anyone wants content like this tbh but I'm not the community so maybe I'm wrong. Maybe yall enjoy spending your time like this. But I am personally livid that they decided they would make the content 'harder' by just making it annoying and as anti-learning as possible.

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I agree it's awful...I thought it was going to be like Eureka but it's nowhere near as good. If they link the relics to forked tower then it's going to be painfully obvious they've abandoned casual players altogether.

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Originally Posted by Willothewisps

From 3.38.6 : "It's Rinon! The one that blamed me for sniping! [...] So funny, it's the comeback! [...] I'm going to salute him!"

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So 25 minutes after getting in this OC instance, and after trying to start the raid in another OC instance before that at 3:10:54 ? https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2492919274?t=3h10m54s
Yeah we were definetly trying to snipe your premade it's obvious.
The world revolves around your party.

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Originally Posted by 0blivion

OP stacked ciphers to ensure a space in the tower. That was intentional malice.

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It's how the game is designed. What other reason could there be to put in more ciphers if SE wanted premades only? They made a system for people to be able to fight over spots, you can't blame people for using it. They said in the Live Letter that DRS's support was too good, they don't want you to have it easy and just queue into fights you want to do, they want it to be like this.

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Originally Posted by Watai

So 25 minutes after getting in this OC instance, and after trying to start the raid in another OC instance before that at 3:10:54 ? https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2492919274?t=3h10m54s
Yeah we were definetly trying to snipe your premade it's obvious.
The world revolves around your party.

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Is Rinon in a premade group or not? Please stick to one story thank you.

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Originally Posted by Watai

https://imghost.net/ib/fswBXrxQGyPWQlx_1750623010.jpg
You got to love how welcoming this community is, first time i try to get into Forked Tower and from the start i get singled out with an emote which as i learned later was not for "coordination" but to mark ma as a "Do not revive" player.
My first message asking for a revive was when ~10 ppl were on the ground, all of them got revived but not me.
As for the second message concerning the toxicity, it was sent after everyone else took the teleport to the next area making impossible to revive me since i assume you can't teleport back.
Then i get accused of "sniping" someone during the pride month.. Why bring up the pride month other than play the victim when you are not ?
Thanks to this post i learned what "sniper" meant in FFXIV, so let me get this straight, we all pay for the game (subscription and all), we farm in Occult Crescent to reach lvl 20 and access the raid, but somehow you have to be in a certain Discord to have a right to play without being griefed ?
No matter how you look at it, not reveving someone in this raid is griefing since you make them lose 30k exp and a level, this kind of behaviour is against ToS so how can some people still defend it ?

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Hey! One of the people from the premade group here.

Here is a full PoV from me: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2493289799?t=0h38m9s (timestamp for when we enter the tower)

- You have the right to join the content, there is no denying that. To my knowledge we are also allowed to treat you as solo players.

- As you mentioned, I'm the one who emoted so we could mark you and identify who weren't on voice comms with us easier.

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Originally Posted by Watai

I killed myself with Meteor ? So strange since i died from the boss attack while having full life and a bit of shield left

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- You died to the 2nd knockback on the first boss. We chose to not revive you since you indicated that your prog point was way behind of the groups. This was for the benefit of the run.

- Pride month comment was clearly a joke by the player in shout chat. Maybe it wasn't clear over text.

- By going into Forked Tower you are accepting the fact that you have the chance of losing a level. The group was currently progging Marble Dragon at the time, so losing the exp was highly likely. (Which we ended up losing)

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Originally Posted by Watai

Once again she checked if it was an organized run so that we could avoid this situation and there was obviously nothing there.

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- In your friends VOD (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2492919274?t=3h38m6s) they clearly recognize Rinon. They knew he was doing organized runs. As much as we could have let you know beforehand that it's an organized run (which didn't stop your friend from joining before either), you could have also simply asked whether or not we're a premade group.

- The OP stated that they don't want to stir up any drama, yet they name drop Rinon and single them out in the original post. Later again name dropping him in the OP's other comments in the thread. As stated many times the issue here is how SE has implemented the content, allowing for this kind of things to happen. There is no need to try to twist the facts about our encounter and make it seem like the organized groups are some big evil. If you enter the Tower alone/with your friends you might be left on the floor. It is also your right to do so to us.

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Originally Posted by Willothewisps

Is Rinon in a premade group or not? Please stick to one story thank you.

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Last week it was made clear that Rinon was in a premade, yesterday no message indicated that whatsoever.

https://i.ibb.co/p64vcsXZ/image.png

These messages indicate that these premade alliances are ready and prepared to go inside the instance. You are being wilfully obtuse now.

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Originally Posted by Willothewisps

https://i.ibb.co/p64vcsXZ/image.png

These messages indicate that these premade alliances are ready and prepared to go inside the instance. You are being wilfully obtuse now.

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Ok now i know that THESE messages are something that means a premade is here, because from my perspective this is gibberish.

Finaly, someone responding with an actual answer, thank you.
Stop acting like bullies and help people understand, that wasn't hard was it ?

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Originally Posted by Watai

Ok now i know that THESE messages are something that means a premade is here, because from my perspective this is gibberish.

Finaly, someone responding with an actual answer, thank you.
Stop acting like bullies and help people understand, that wasn't hard was it ?

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Yeah but you know it was this specific group was a premade, you guys even comment on it.

3.52.40 : "So it means that this group is doing it every sunday on Phantom [...] at least on Chaos" "Oh yeah it's the same time as last week."

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Originally Posted by Willothewisps

Yeah but you know it was this specific group was a premade, you guys even comment on it.

3.52.40 : "So it means that this group is doing it every sunday on Phantom [...] at least on Chaos" "Oh yeah it's the same time as last week."

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Unfortunately i didn't understand the messages listed above, so i didn't know this was a group this could have been a party of 16 to 48 players just like it could've been this particular players and full randoms, or with a few friends.
I'm not a mind reader nor was the premade clearly stated(for me at least) in the chat. After waiting for hours to start this raid and finaly see it i try to get in that's all.

Now that i know what these message means, i'll not interfere with runs when i see 48+ person tagged and these message are sent. And frankly i'll avoid this particular group forever.
Being the target of a crusade of hate and bullying after being the victim of griefing in game is not what i play for.
Acting like this in game is actively ruining the game for a lot of people you guys encounter in this new content that a lot of people want to enjoy.
Once again thanks Square Enix for doing the exact same mistakes you made years ago(according to long term players) and making the game worse day by day.

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Originally Posted by Willothewisps

From 3.26.20 : "Time to bring the snipes [...] They are gona insult us (while laughing) [...] (the girl) Wait yeah I know, I think it's the conclave, the discord. It's a conclave run, they are FR and I just saw a guy that also does BA runs, it's one of the leads [...] Wait I'm going to look on discord if they are all on a voice channel [..] Hope we go in and snipe Arcus spot"

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I hope you reported them for this as well, assuming you actually saw this in game and the people who said this ended up interfering with your run. Everyone involved in this is just covering themselves in glory, I swear.

I mean, there is multiple time in the stream where the guy (I guess the one streaming) implicitely say that it's a group. He is aware of it and said it in vocal (I guess you are in that vocal).
At that point it's playing dumb and trying to lie on purpose. He even stated that nobody will raise anyone outside of their group and that you should stick together to avoid traps with them.

I loved the part where he is talking about streamer saying everyone try to gather around them to gatekeep like, is that even a point? Nobody care if someone is a streamer in that thing. The group isn't about the streamer, he is not even planning anything, he join the people trying to prog FT in a full premade like any similar content before.

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Originally Posted by 0blivion

Bruh, they called the parties being ready in chat. You saw that, it's literally in the VOD, so OP stacked ciphers to ensure a space in the tower. That was intentional malice. Also, if you die to the personal mech on boss 2, that is extremely on you. Same for everything before boss 2.

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So let me get this right? Just 'attempting' to join, and not standing aside like some kind of unclean, untouchable, Dalit sub-class, 'thats' what's supposed to constitute 'sniping'?!
Just, failing declining to play the game and logging off like good little vermin, that's sniping?

I had been hoping sniping was at least an assumption that someone was trying to sabotage the run, rather than just do their best to prog. But no? Just trying to get 'in' really is 'sniping'?!!!

@Xenosys , @ MrHappy , @Arthars .
You've seen the latest bancho figures right
https://youtu.be/sahvTmpq6Zc
You get how systems work I know you do.
You're not just good at it, you're 'really' good at it. Espcially Xeno from what I've seen.
You can 'see' what the intention was can't you?
You know what the temperature in the game has been since EW for casuals, and you can put 2 and 2 together when you see there is no normal instance for what was touted as THE content for casual players?
From there you an clearly see that the intention 'was' for instances to be a melting pot of groups and independents proging the instance as a collective of an entire playerbase skill level?
The instances take 48 man but the body checks are only 24 is that right?
You're telling me, your game theory analysis has determined there is absolutely no way to carry people while they are learning? (I mean perhaps, I don't know)
Yet you've chosen to remain silent, or if anything promote these premades, if not the actual 'active' exclusion of individual players, rather than setting an example (because my god you 'could' make such a difference if all three of you said "stop this".) You could have instead created a noise for the instance to be nerfed if that's the problem, rather than tacitly if not actively assist in the decimation of the game's playerbase.

Honestly, as 'ambassadors' for the game you're absolutely useless from what i've seen.
Yeah as coverers of raw content consumption you might be great, but as ambassadors your not doing the growth of the game or its wider reputation any good.
If it's been you're ambition to just be your average jo everyday gamer, but with a webcam, well you've certainly hit the mark there.
Gamers looking for a challenging exciting content with a toxic antisocial cabal of sweats have a plethora of other games to choose from which frankly XIV would struggle to compete with, with its janky old battle engine and its DDR prone deadend. Can you not see where this is headed?

Good luck now with SE & CB3 prioritising high end. I think they still will personally, but if they don't, at least you can tell yourselves you did absolutely 'nothing' to avoid that situation.


Absolutely fing useless.

To think SE have managed to squander the likes of Zepla and this is what they are left with for 'promoters', and 'ambassadors'.
It's just too unfunny to even slow clap.