TOP cleared with no healers

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Originally Posted by Renathras

Good, so am I.

Tell me, in what scientific field can you say a thing is true using one data point and not even defining the specific term you're saying is true?

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Anyone who actually believes this is beyond hope

Dear college freshman, you are not in any scientific field.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

You're "/sighing" despite making a bunch of baseless nonsense you provided zero evidence for but still stated as fact. What even is this?

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He's an actual meme lol, a fountain of disinformation

He has now mostly resorted to copying people's criticisms and sending it right back at people. Call him casual, he'll call you casual right back. Describe his arguments as gish gallop, he'll say yours is as well right back.

It's so middle-school no one can really believe he's in any scientific field.

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

That's an excellent summary, I would only add that in some classes, including cleric, a hybrid spec was also viable depending upon the content. Also in that game , their was no jobstone, so if we stick to cleric for the moment, there were a lot of options for spec and gear if a cleric wanted to go DPS spec - that could be used for group or solo PVE/PvP content typically in a cloth set with a specific type of staff , but a cleric could also use a mace and shield with chain for healing in a heal spec in PvE and PvP, or could use a hybrid spec with cloth or chain for healing in PvE in some group content AND for some solo content DPS.

There's other options as said before. clerics were one of classes in Aon that had the most gear sets if someone really was serious about PvE and PvP.

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This makes me nostalgic for how much customization I had as a cleric. I loved it and had a set for everything! Here there isn’t too much point to having multiple gear sets for one job and it’s all so standardized.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

Recently I took Yoshi's advice and played another game, namely an old-school maplestory private server. There are party quests in that game, which are about the closest thing we have to party dungeons, and in one that I did last night (Ludibrium PQ for you old MS players) there are actual puzzles that you cannot progress through if you don't have the right roles in your team. There's a room that can't be progressed without a magic-job, for example. And there's another part where if you're lacking a ranged guy, you're just out of luck. In this way, the game forces groups to take specific roles or else they literally cannot win. A literal 20 year old 2D side scroller MMO did a better job of making roles feel like they were actually necessary -- back in 2006 when this content launched, even -- than a "critically acclaimed" MMO in 2023.

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Dang. That brings up sweet memories of playing my first MMO. MS really was pretty amazing during the Ludi PQ era. I remember being the party lead and everyone would spam the "track" in all caps at me to let me know we had a shot at getting in, and when you saw the screen fade into black and heard a different bgm starting, you let out a scream of happiness because that meant you finally made it into the PQ. I swear I almost developed carpal tunnel from clicking that damn stop sign so much lmao. And the MUSIC. The music was actually on par with ffxiv's tracks, which I consider to be top tier. I've never heard any other game that did music like MS.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

There wasn't.

The tank popular has more or less remained the same throughout all the expansions. Shadowbringers show a spike upwards because of Gunbreaker being the new hotness just like Sage did for Endwalker. New jobs will always spike role population.

You're "/sighing" despite making a bunch of baseless nonsense you provided zero evidence for but still stated as fact. What even is this?

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If you've got actual numbers, post them please! Legitimately interested because as best as I can tell, healers overcame tanks in shb as being most in need and that never recovered, but my only basis for this is highly anecdotal roulette queue times. My heal queues are almost always instant and my tank queues are almost always 2-5 minutes and pre-shb this was the opposite.

And that's why Healers in PVP mode are fun and feels impactful to play (Like Sage for example) they are pretty much a "Support/Hybrid" class rather than dot/cure/sometimes gcd bot in PVE.

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

And that's why Healers in PVP mode are fun and feels impactful to play (Like Sage for example) they are pretty much a "Support/Hybrid" class rather than dot/cure/sometimes gcd bot in PVE.

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SGE sucks at Frontline and RW though... WHM SCH and AST PvP however are better healer than PvE :)

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Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon

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For the love of god, man, propose already!

The same devs who let Diurnal Sect on Ast be completely useless for 4 levels in ShB(lv30-33) before you got something that it actually affected (aspected Benefic at lv34), it was a stupidly easy fix to swap something else or to give diurnal with aspected Benefic but no it took until EW to sort it out.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

The same devs who let Diurnal Sect on Ast be completely useless for 4 levels in ShB(lv30-33) before you got something that it actually affected (aspected Benefic at lv34), it was a stupidly easy fix to swap something else or to give diurnal with aspected Benefic but no it took until EW to sort it out.

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Was meant to be a reply to this:

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

This is the same developers who, at 6.1 , made Aero II and Dia the exact same potency (making Dia a useless "upgrade)

https://i.redd.it/o81d7t5e0ws81.png

The same Devs who made SCH Art of War the exact same potency as the Ruin filler spell despite Art of War being instant and a full strength AoE. There is literally no reason to cast Ruin from lvl 46 to lvl 54 when you get Broil.

Basic math doesn't seem to be their strong suit, and neither does having QA look at potential changes. Something like that would have easily been caught in pre patch notes or a public test realm but since CBU3 has decided not to release info anymore early we couldn't catch it for them.

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Should really not do this on phone XD

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

SGE sucks at Frontline and RW though... WHM SCH and AST PvP however are better healer than PvE :)

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a sch that goes unnoticed in the backline can deal a shitload of damage