Black Mage Sanctuary - A Guide to DPS

You can always sharpcast> F1>F3 and begin that way

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

The 2nd tick would give extra MP from being in UI-2, which is an extra 10% or 15% of your max MP.

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Understood, except that 10% isn't enough. It's barely enough at 15% WITH PIE buff. Without it the PIE buff it's still not enough.
So even if it is a slight Potency upgrade (which since it delays your rotation by a minimum of 1.7 seconds per Freeze even with Ley Lines and 2.22 GCD I'm not entirely sure it is) it is situational at best.

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Originally Posted by Declio

How do you guys get back into your rotation with only sharpcast and enochian available?

I have always done F3 > SC > F1 > eno > F4 > F4 > F3(procced) > F4 > F4 etc.

Is there a way to roll into this with slightly higher potency?

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I go F3-Eno-F4-SC-F4-F1-F4-F4-F3, that puts both F1 and the free F3 under Enochian.

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Originally Posted by FunkyBunch

Understood, except that 10% isn't enough. It's barely enough at 15% WITH PIE buff. Without it the PIE buff it's still not enough.

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Just ran it in game, and it's plenty without Piety buff. You get 32% for UI1, 47% for UI2 in battle (35%/50% outside battle). UI1 reduces fire spell cost to half of base MP cost, UI2 reduces them to a quarter of base MP cost.

I used the following with a 2.19 sec GCD:
Eno > LL > RS > Fire 3 > Fire II x3 > Swift > Flare > Convert > Flare > Transpose > Freeze > Fire 3 > Fire II x2 > Flare > Transpose

That took roughly 33 seconds with a fast MP first tick after the first transpose. The first MP tick after the 2nd transpose was less than a second.

Then the same rotation minus LL and Freeze, took roughly 34 seconds with a medium wait on first MP first tick after the first transpose. The first MP tick after the 2nd transpose was less than a second.

Rotation time is almost exactly the same, total potency is about 5% higher with LL + Freeze. That's pretty unspectacular for 15% off your cast time. I'll have to try it out next time I get arrow for an AoE rotation, but I'm not gonna make a habit of using LL for AoE.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

Just ran it in game, and it's plenty without Piety buff. You get 32% for UI1, 47% for UI2 in battle (35%/50% outside battle). UI1 reduces fire spell cost to half of base MP cost, UI2 reduces them to a quarter of base MP cost.

I used the following with a 2.19 sec GCD:
Eno > LL > RS > Fire 3 > Fire II x3 > Swift > Flare > Convert > Flare > Transpose > Freeze > Fire 3 > Fire II x2 > Flare > Transpose

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Interesting. If you are trying this rotation out with LL and freeze, might as well add a second Freeze after the first one. You'll get UI3, a faster F3 and full mana on top. See how it goes.

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Originally Posted by Lilyth

Interesting. If you are trying this rotation out with LL and freeze, might as well add a second Freeze after the first one. You'll get UI3, a faster F3 and full mana on top. See how it goes.

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I don't see it working, since adding one Freeze barely held the time between the two transpose > MP tick at 15 seconds. A 2nd Freeze and an extra Fire II added in would likely add 6 seconds. Past the initial burst that's a slight dps loss in an infinite time fight, but could be a tiny dps boost if everything died at a specific point.

If you've unloaded 5x Fire II and 3x Flare and that's not enough to destroy the pack, just flip the table and start name calling.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

Rotation time is almost exactly the same, total potency is about 5% higher with LL + Freeze. That's pretty unspectacular for 15% off your cast time. I'll have to try it out next time I get arrow for an AoE rotation, but I'm not gonna make a habit of using LL for AoE.

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How much MP do you have?
I'll have to try it out again. I just mathed I couldn't do the rotation, but maybe that was because of the 1/4 F3 cost I missed.
I have 11400 with PIE buff and that gives me 65 MP to spare.

But it seems like an awful lot of effort for not much gain trying to find a use for a useless spell. Aiming it on PS4 is a PITA because it stupidly is initially aimed by your camera angle so I'd have to macro it which would slow down my rotation even more.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

I don't see it working, since adding one Freeze barely held the time between the two transpose > MP tick at 15 seconds. A 2nd Freeze and an extra Fire II added in would likely add 6 seconds. Past the initial burst that's a slight dps loss in an infinite time fight, but could be a tiny dps boost if everything died at a specific point.

If you've unloaded 5x Fire II and 3x Flare and that's not enough to destroy the pack, just flip the table and start name calling.

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If the pack still isn't dead, it is not the fault of the BLM lol. That means someone else was being bad.

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Originally Posted by FunkyBunch

How much MP do you have?
I'll have to try it out again. I just mathed I couldn't do the rotation, but maybe that was because of the 1/4 F3 cost I missed.
I have 11400 with PIE buff and that gives me 65 MP to spare.

But it seems like an awful lot of effort for not much gain trying to find a use for a useless spell. Aiming it on PS4 is a PITA because it stupidly is initially aimed by your camera angle so I'd have to macro it which would slow down my rotation even more.

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11400 MP should give you 3648+5358 for 9006 MP

Freeze - 1768
Fire 3 - 442
Fire 2 - 2652
Fire 2 - 2652
Flare - 884
Total - 8398

As for casting Freeze, use a macro for it, no ground targeting required:

/micon Freeze
/ac Freeze <t>

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

11400 MP should give you 3648+5358 for 9006 MP

Freeze - 1768
Fire 3 - 442
Fire 2 - 2652
Fire 2 - 2652
Flare - 884
Total - 8398

As for casting Freeze, use a macro for it, no ground targeting required:

/micon Freeze
/ac Freeze <t>

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Correct, I must have had fat fingers on my calculator that day.
I guess if it's a DPS increase and the fight will take ~90 seconds I "should" try using Ley Lines, but your SS is higher than mine it seems. My GCD is 2.22 and it seems like 0.03 too high to benefit.