Frontlines sucks Ultra megathread

I fight those premades every day. The amount of cheats they use is abhorent. One example is the DK program that activates their lb when you ninja assassinate them, flawlessly, every single time every single match. Tell me that isnt a cheat program and i got land in Florida to sell you.

So many of these "premade" champions wont go to other datacenters because alone they cant be as effective with their add on programs they are using. They are only good partying up with others using the same "special" stuff. I have seen these champions que solo sometimes and they perform horribly, a far crly from their 10/0/100 numbers they get with their "special" premade friends.

I totally agree. I have been fighting and reporting the obvious plug in/add on users for a year now. They are shameless and I get so much hatred for calling them out. I have been stalked, impersonated, harassed by these premade cheaters so much over the past year. I will not stop calling out the obvious cheaters and I am beyond disgusted that i pay a sub for a game that allows obvious cheaters to play and bully randos with impunity daily.

I see DK's every single day(same players actually) who use an add on to flawlessly exploit the code and perform their lb when i ninja assassinate or monk lb to survive, over and over multiple times in a match and every match. Sorry dude but no human can time that, without fail over and over and you know it. There are so many cheat apologists and they alwalys say its a macro, man. Sorry but a macro still has to be pressed by a human finger attached to a human brain(which is not that fast).

I have been battling these premade cheaters for over a year. I know who they are and most of their cheats. I report them when i can. I get so much hatred from Fl because i point out the obvious cheaters. There are so many cheat apologists its really sad. I will keep fighting and reporting them when i can.

its easy to be good when they use programs that target ignore guarded, buffed enemies and priortize debuffed or low hp enemies instantly while us legit players have to target scroll. DK's who can magically time their lb to when a ninja or monk lbs them and survive what would kill a normal player of DK, or having players who are healers that can heal team mates instantly without even targeting them cuz their program does it for them. SMH the amount of garbage these premade "champions" use is beyond disgusting. Also the number of players on these premade that can get two unanimated heal ticks when i monk lb(its always two ticks, weird how so many different players have the exact same reaction to a monk lb, huh?). I dont know about you but when i get monk lb i cant do anything my bar goes grey until its over but these players always perform a two tick heal to survive my monk lb.

wish i could down vote your response.

Where is the down vote button for this post?

lol I love your response, so true and accurate.

lmfao, that was funny! champion!

I think this portion of the thread may make more sense if the "reply with quote" option was employed, but I'm far from certain.

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Originally Posted by Crusader1

I have been battling these premade cheaters for over a year. I know who they are and most of their cheats. I report them when i can. I get so much hatred from Fl because i point out the obvious cheaters. There are so many cheat apologists its really sad. I will keep fighting and reporting them when i can.

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Nah, and in all objective honesty, you're just not as good as you think you are. Besides, how do you know what "cheats" and "plugins" people are using if you aren't using them yourself? I'm assuming that you just look them up so you can "know" what people are using and apply that knowledge to what you see in game? But truth be told, at least we know you don't use them because you'll spend five minutes per match rambling about the same things over and over again.

A complete joke both in game and out. Thanks for the ongoing entertainment, I suppose.

awe, did i strike a nerve? awe.

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Originally Posted by Crusader1

awe, did i strike a nerve? awe.

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Maybe in annoyance >.>

One struck nerve to your 20? But if striking my nerve makes you feel better, then sure, you have struck my nerve. Please show me mercy.

I've heard of premades being a complete nuisance. However, I have never heard of a "cheating" premade before...what did I miss during the past 2 years?

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Originally Posted by Mistress_Irika

I've heard of premades being a complete nuisance. However, I have never heard of a "cheating" premade before...what did I miss during the past 2 years?

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Obviously you missed god's gift to frontlines: Drake Pliskin!

I learned a lot from this thread!

Right, now that dust has settled and we're approaching FL reset, maybe Olivia would like to share with us her win-rate for the past week?

With or without people queue sniping her?

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Originally Posted by danndeline

With or without people queue sniping her?

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Does she really get queue sniped! Blimey. How rude. As I think you know, I've settled on avoidance as the best policy. Anyway, it's immaterial, SQEX knows already.

Where have you been? Haven't seen you in Aether matches for ages.

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Originally Posted by Crusader1

I have been battling these premade cheaters for over a year. I know who they are and most of their cheats. I report them when i can. I get so much hatred from Fl because i point out the obvious cheaters. There are so many cheat apologists its really sad. I will keep fighting and reporting them when i can.

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I strongly doubt that there is any cheating coming from premades. They don't need to cheat. They just communicate via voice chat and coordinate their 4 party members to wipe 20+ people at once. Auto-Recuperate, Auto guard, ect whatever you seem to accuse people of on a given day wouldn't help them even if they had it. This game runs on Spahghetti code, like it or not theres a several second delay between your action being cast, and the server deciding when it actually goes off. It doesn't help anybody to make accusations against premades without direct, indisputable proof of them cheating.

I mean honestly has anyone EVER seen cheating in PVP here firsthand who has proof of it? I've seen the videos of speed hacks in Crystaline conflict, and multiboxxers trolling people with MCH lb... but I can't say I've seen anything that is obvious firsthand.

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Originally Posted by Archeron

I strongly doubt that there is any cheating coming from premades. They don't need to cheat. They just communicate via voice chat and coordinate their 4 party members to wipe 20+ people at once. Auto-Recuperate, Auto guard, ect whatever you seem to accuse people of on a given day wouldn't help them even if they had it. This game runs on Spahghetti code, like it or not theres a several second delay between your action being cast, and the server deciding when it actually goes off. It doesn't help anybody to make accusations against premades without direct, indisputable proof of them cheating.

I mean honestly has anyone EVER seen cheating in PVP here firsthand who has proof of it? I've seen the videos of speed hacks in Crystaline conflict, and multiboxxers trolling people with MCH lb... but I can't say I've seen anything that is obvious firsthand.

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Yeah when you've solved the meta and have voice available as a cherry on top, thereby producing 70%+ win-rates, it seems unlikely premade members would risk their accounts by using additional cheats. It's not clear to me whether such cheating tools would even be capable of increasing that % much higher given the limitations produced by RNG.

I'd be far more concerned about padders, particularly those who are keen to share their K/D/A, but most of them are in premades anyway.

That said, if there's one thing FL in general and this thread in particular has taught me, it's that some players put an incredible premium on win-rate and other personal stats, whether it be for faster rewards or just as a trophy. In any competitive environment, that attitude can lead to cheating. So my guess is it exists at some level in FL as it does everywhere else.

I did have a stationary WHM go completely invuln the other day. I targeted them and all my skills just quit working. Someone next to me was having the same issue. I assumed it was some glitch, like their image got stuck there but they'd actually DC'd or something. Quite odd.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

Yeah when you've solved the meta and have voice available as a cherry on top, thereby producing 70%+ win-rates, it seems unlikely premade members would risk their accounts by using additional cheats. It's not clear to me whether such cheating tools would even be capable of increasing that % much higher given the limitations produced by RNG.

I'd be far more concerned about padders, particularly those who are keen to share their K/D/A, but most of them are in premades anyway.

That said, if there's one thing FL in general and this thread in particular has taught me, it's that some players put an incredible premium on win-rate and other personal stats, whether it be for faster rewards or just as a trophy. In any competitive environment, that attitude can lead to cheating. So my guess is it exists at some level in FL as it does everywhere else.

I did have a stationary WHM go completely invuln the other day. I targeted them and all my skills just quit working. Someone next to me was having the same issue. I assumed it was some glitch, like their image got stuck there but they'd actually DC'd or something. Quite odd.

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The stationary people I believe are just invuln due to DC, they seem to go away after 30 seconds in my experience.

It takes someone pretty damn lame at this game to load up cheats, especially for frontlines when the solution is pretty much "git gud". Good players don't need auto recuperate/purify ect.

I am very curious to see if anyone has literally ever had a case of cheating that was easy to pick out. (Like flying under the map, invulnerable, avoiding status afflictions ect.) I've never seen any instances of it personally, I'm curious to see if anyone else has ever seen this. I assume the first people who would be able to spot a cheater would be the premades since they'd notice the one person escaping all of their dives when they should rightfully be dead, or at the very least caught up in a load of CC and afflictions.

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Originally Posted by Archeron

The stationary people I believe are just invuln due to DC, they seem to go away after 30 seconds in my experience.

It takes someone pretty damn lame at this game to load up cheats, especially for frontlines when the solution is pretty much "git gud". Good players don't need auto recuperate/purify ect.

I am very curious to see if anyone has literally ever had a case of cheating that was easy to pick out. (Like flying under the map, invulnerable, avoiding status afflictions ect.) I've never seen any instances of it personally, I'm curious to see if anyone else has ever seen this. I assume the first people who would be able to spot a cheater would be the premades since they'd notice the one person escaping all of their dives when they should rightfully be dead, or at the very least caught up in a load of CC and afflictions.

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I have seen a very subtle cheater in RW during a mogtome event.

What they did isn't mega obvious to anyone new to the mode, but they used a speedhack to make the Oppressor move at the same speed as a Cruise Chaser. So they're not just speeding down the map, but they were moving slightly faster than Sprint speed.

As for people who just stand there and your skills get cancelled, they're in the middle of reconnecting. Once the load screen appears for them, you can damage them because the game treats them as connected at that point.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

I have seen a very subtle cheater in RW during a mogtome event.

What they did isn't mega obvious to anyone new to the mode, but they used a speedhack to make the Oppressor move at the same speed as a Cruise Chaser. So they're not just speeding down the map, but they were moving slightly faster than Sprint speed.

As for people who just stand there and your skills get cancelled, they're in the middle of reconnecting. Once the load screen appears for them, you can damage them because the game treats them as connected at that point.

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Yeah that was my guess.

As to cheating, the tools are available, but some are more obvious than others: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skO4Hucmlvo

https://youtu.be/sXlzYhvlOdQ?si=dIHFaRF2y6nvH5aT

Also found this interesting: https://youtu.be/kt6L576BCwc?si=Z5OxjUIaL3HD1NdO

I mean honestly has anyone EVER seen cheating in PVP here firsthand who has proof of it? I've seen the videos of speed hacks in Crystaline conflict, and multiboxxers trolling people with MCH lb... but I can't say I've seen anything that is obvious firsthand.[/QUOTE]

Seen two videos of them that have taken place in frontline. Played with the guy once before I knew he was using anti MNK LB cheats. Few days later another video came out of a DRK diving on an enemy team and then floating away. Bizarre stuff

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Originally Posted by Xael_Jehuty

Seen two videos of them that have taken place in frontline. Played with the guy once before I knew he was using anti MNK LB cheats. Few days later another video came out of a DRK diving on an enemy team and then floating away. Bizarre stuff

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Glad it's a rarity, obviously.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

Right, now that dust has settled and we're approaching FL reset, maybe Olivia would like to share with us her win-rate for the past week?

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It was quite high

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Originally Posted by OliviaLugria

It was quite high

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Yes, honey. So I gathered.

Congrats on the latest deal with your guide, btw. I understand Paramount [1] picked up the option as a combined Frontline/biopic full feature! At Resistance HQ we are currently running a pool on who gets the lead role! I got Amber Heard!

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I've been playing, but I avoid Shatter because ew. Been busy with the new stuff outside PvP, but I play more regularly late at night with my friends.

I would like to give my thanks to the entire region of NA for birthing Drake.

I think it's a pretty fun mode, all things considered... A lot of entertainment for sure;

that being, I can't find the exact post but I vividly remember someone saying who wanted to get better at pvp-frontline will be very discouraged by the current state of frontline and with all the premade. I'd argue it was the opposite effect in fact, I know a fair share of players who never really enjoyed frontline that much and really got into it as they learnt how to position themselves, what comps are good, what to priotize etc and definitely enjoyed the sweatier games... Of course it's not everyone's cup of tea, but it's not driving every single players away

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Originally Posted by danndeline

I've been playing, but I avoid Shatter because ew. Been busy with the new stuff outside PvP, but I play more regularly late at night with my friends.

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Yeah same with Shatter. Hopefully see you on the field soon.

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Originally Posted by Apowowo

I think it's a pretty fun mode, all things considered... A lot of entertainment for sure;

that being, I can't find the exact post but I vividly remember someone saying who wanted to get better at pvp-frontline will be very discouraged by the current state of frontline and with all the premade. I'd argue it was the opposite effect in fact, I know a fair share of players who never really enjoyed frontline that much and really got into it as they learnt how to position themselves, what comps are good, what to priotize etc and definitely enjoyed the sweatier games... Of course it's not everyone's cup of tea, but it's not driving every single players away

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That's completely fair. Some people do like a sweatier environment and/or simply value mounts and glam and want to get there as quickly as possible by maximizing their win-rate.

The issue is that many people do not feel like that. The solo and party styles and goals are simply very different, and forcing them together in what is supposed to be a casual entry into PvP in general is causing a lot of friction.

To add to that, people who do enjoy the premade playstyle naturally congregate on the Discord servers where such premades are formed via the LFG and voice channels. In other words, they are immersed in an echo chamber of like-minded individuals where everyone agrees that this playstyle is wonderful.

This is why I've previously attributed the current issues partly to a SM problem. If you're surrounded by a group of people who like a given playstyle and laud the commanders producing it, it becomes difficult to understand that there is a wider community that does not like the playstyle one bit, and their resulting hostility to said commanders.

Friendly reminder that the players who are ACTUALLY cheating speed hacks, cc immunities, clipping through map, teleport hacks whom actually received a ban for hacking just come back right after their temporary ban. SE apparently just slaps you on the wrist and says don't do it again and be a good boy when cheating/hacking in a video game should be a permanent ban no questions asked. You'll see them come right back after their short ban break and do the same ol' thing on their throwaway account.

Not to mention that these players go around doing what they do for months on end before any actual repercussions occur when they're reported for cheating daily by various different players. SE moderation in PvP is basically non existent unless you type something unhinged in chat. Let's also not forget that the support desk/report system is so archaic that we have to manually fill out an entire field box with information rather than have a QoL feature of right-click -> report functionality. What's even the point of bothering with this system when we constantly see the same names in the game openly hacking day to day.

Thankfully these days the hackers are pretty much nonexistent/rare to see. Please don't let certain players copium of believing that anyone who actually knows how to PvP/survive in PvP deter you from thinking this game mode is full of cheaters when in reality its full of people who don't even care for the game mode at all/afk/collect their duty roulette optimal EXP/tomes.

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Originally Posted by Takume

Friendly reminder that the players who are ACTUALLY cheating speed hacks, cc immunities, clipping through map, teleport hacks whom actually received a ban for hacking just come back right after their temporary ban. SE apparently just slaps you on the wrist and says don't do it again and be a good boy when cheating/hacking in a video game should be a permanent ban no questions asked. You'll see them come right back after their short ban break and do the same ol' thing on their throwaway account.

Not to mention that these players go around doing what they do for months on end before any actual repercussions occur when they're reported for cheating daily by various different players. SE moderation in PvP is basically non existent unless you type something unhinged in chat. Let's also not forget that the support desk/report system is so archaic that we have to manually fill out an entire field box with information rather than have a QoL feature of right-click -> report functionality. What's even the point of bothering with this system when we constantly see the same names in the game openly hacking day to day.

Thankfully these days the hackers are pretty much nonexistent/rare to see. Please don't let certain players copium of believing that anyone who actually knows how to PvP/survive in PvP deter you from thinking this game mode is full of cheaters when in reality its full of people who don't even care for the game mode at all/afk/collect their duty roulette optimal EXP/tomes.

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The staff responsible for PvP issues is kinda sad compared to the average GMs that handle the rest of the game. We had clear case of win trading in one of the early seasons, sent tons of proof and it took weeks until they got served, yet they came back almost instantly and only lost their points.

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Originally Posted by Takume

Friendly reminder that the players who are ACTUALLY cheating speed hacks, cc immunities, clipping through map, teleport hacks whom actually received a ban for hacking just come back right after their temporary ban. SE apparently just slaps you on the wrist and says don't do it again and be a good boy when cheating/hacking in a video game should be a permanent ban no questions asked. You'll see them come right back after their short ban break and do the same ol' thing on their throwaway account.

Not to mention that these players go around doing what they do for months on end before any actual repercussions occur when they're reported for cheating daily by various different players. SE moderation in PvP is basically non existent unless you type something unhinged in chat. Let's also not forget that the support desk/report system is so archaic that we have to manually fill out an entire field box with information rather than have a QoL feature of right-click -> report functionality. What's even the point of bothering with this system when we constantly see the same names in the game openly hacking day to day.

Thankfully these days the hackers are pretty much nonexistent/rare to see. Please don't let certain players copium of believing that anyone who actually knows how to PvP/survive in PvP deter you from thinking this game mode is full of cheaters when in reality its full of people who don't even care for the game mode at all/afk/collect their duty roulette optimal EXP/tomes.

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Do you have a feeling for why the problem has gone away? Like you note penalties are minimal and take a long time to be enforced, yet currently the problem is minimal.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

Do you have a feeling for why the problem has gone away? Like you note penalties are minimal and take a long time to be enforced, yet currently the problem is minimal.

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If by the problem you mean hackers then I can only just make assumptions. These hackers usually use their throwaway service accounts as to not get banned on their main accounts. So you're paying a monthly subscription to meme/have fun with cheats in a game mode just to get a reaction from players. Hackers have always been rare in case and usually if there is a notorious hacker its usually the same person playing on different alts using the same hacks, they're pretty obvious they're the same player. Can only guess they get bored of doing it/want to lay low because they finally did receive a ban.

PvP in this game mode speaks for itself in that not very many players actually care about it and the few that do care more than likely wouldn't bother cheating to gain an advantage as there's not very much to even cheat for reward wise. The last notorious hacker afaik did what they did because of drama with other players who they believed take the game mode too seriously and wanted to trigger them/get reactions/get back at them, etc.