Agreed. As someone who progged Dragonsong is currently progging Omega. While I do thoroughly enjoy these encounters for the most part, they are incredibly draining even on a lighter schedule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Absimiliard
Despite the legacy of good ole Pepsi Man, he's still a step down from Dragonsong and Omega on the difficulty scale. Far closer than any current Savage tier but the big issue that stumped people way back then is gear gating. Funny enough, mechanic wise, Liquid Living is more complex than most of what we see nowadays sans Ultimate. He was ahead of his time in a sense.
You failed to answer my question several pages back. How are you held hostage by what I or anyone else does? You even admit to playing the game primarily for the story aspect. So you and I will virtually never cross paths. In fact, I'd wager most of the people you've taken umbrage with will never be in a single party you're in just because we have differing interests. Therefore, I could be running around naked (without mods even) and you'd be known the wiser. So why does it matter what I do or even if I did have mods? Your "hostage" scenario is entirely of your own making. Neither I nor anyone else can ruin your experience unless you let us by concerning yourself with what strangers do.Quote:
Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa
All that said, they'll lose far more subs banning everyone using addons than they will from people opting to quit playing because people they don't even associate with may or may not use them. Especially as most addons have no impact on actual gameplay.
The fact you're saying this tells me you've never set foot in any Ultimate. Contrary to what some people think, something like automarkers in Dragonsong has a very small impact. You still have to actually do the mechanic and know how Wroth Flame works. Otherwise, you're dead no matter what. My group opted for macros we each individually pressed based on what debuff we got. Having that process automated would have been convenient, it'd have been a fairly minor advantage for us relative to the phase itself. I certainly won't deny it's an advantage but nowhere close to what you're insinuating. Likewise, triggers calling out xyz isn't going to make you understand what's happening. Personally, I've never needed any nor do most raiders. In fact, a good chunk of people who do use them do so on reclears because they want to turn their brain off after progging the fight for weeks/months.Quote:
Originally Posted by VerdeLuck
Revealing hidden aoes is a whole different beast though. I'll grant you that.
At the end of the day, the point to progging should be for yourself. I couldn't give a damn if someone wants to use all three of these programs or if they drop $1,600 on a pilot. That's their business not mine. It doesn't devalue my own accomplishment or the fact I put in the time to learn the fights and be good enough to clear them. I care about my own experience not what joe smoe is doing.
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02-06-2023, 02:42 PMForteNightshade
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02-06-2023, 05:17 PMCelestiCer
To me it seems like 95% of all Third party tools/mods purpose are " Non-Combat ", making I guess the tiny 5% of programs used for Raiding the once that really gets hammered by both the community and Square. If they added the following? I am pretty sure players would be more open to the idea.
Non-Combat adjustments and features added- Placing housing wherever you please using x y z coordinates
- Limitless Glamour Dresser, from anywhere.
- Orchestrion music player anywhere, as long as you unlocked the soundtrack
- Music that is playing is noted at the server tab
- Location reminder of where you are exactly at the server tab
- Updated Friends list
- Updated available Hairstyles and customizations
- Updated Search functionality and faster way to check adventure plates
- Updated Portraits and friendlier to use
- Market Board update
- Party ready checker
- Updated Chat functionalities
- Chat Bubbles
- Being allowed customize every part of the HUD
- Updated search for Emotes
- Being allowed to color every piece of Glamour ever
- Being allowed to color every Fashion accessory ever
- Mouse tracker
- Updated features for color blind people
- Timer schedules updated and allowing you to add your own reminders
- Name tags / FC tags customization options
- Precise highlighted stat tiers of each of your stats in character menu
- Precise highlighted stat improvements when comparing Gear
- Update Hrothgar and Vierra hair
- Updated Crafting interface
- Updated Minimap
- Updated Partyfinder
- Updated........
The list goes on but its endless on how many things are improved upon or updated through available plugins/addons/mods for when you're not combat. And Square has to compete against all of it. Be it majority really don't need any of it to play the game? but you're playing FFXIV essentially on crack, and taking that crack away is not going to be received well.
In Combat adjustments and features added- Updated Party-list, functionalities and customizations
- Showing Party-members mitigation/selfheal cooldowns on party list
- Option to remove name plates of party members for Job icons
- Death Recap to showcase how you died to what
- Ping Reducer (XIVAlex/NoClippy)
- Personal DPS meter
I believe this is about what raiders want regarding " Combat features " when you're in Combat. Which is not a lot actually now that I think about it... As much as the Personal DPS meter is a heated debate, there's enough demand for it by players to use it to compare their performances to at least themselves to self-improve and have it in some way be recorded for themselves. FFLogs is evidence for a very large demand for it and if this is denied, unfortunately Square is going to just lose players to it. Not a lot, but paid subscriptions to them are still subscriptions. -
02-06-2023, 09:29 PMAxxionlisten i got things on my computer that should not see the light of day they areQuote:
Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...06/493/063.jpg
. Okay you will leave cool thanks for your time, but as you leave more will take that spot. From what i can tell you and others just have alot of emotions about this. and would like to say that you need to take a break or something. -
02-07-2023, 01:20 AMSillyCrow
If it's anything like EAC it's gonna cause all my other programs to slow to a crawl. Forget trying to open Firefox while playing 7 Days to Die, it takes 30 second just to open Firefox. 10 seconds for the simple Notepad.
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02-07-2023, 02:09 AMMidareyukkiThat list is endless. Especially when you get to character customization. Some stuff is understandable that they aren't in the game properly, since this is an MMO and you kind of need to render everything rather than boast how many polygons your team can make xDQuote:
Originally Posted by CelestiCer
But some stuff is pretty standard and not available to every race. A more robust character creator would let you use those options, but the one we have now is self-limiting. The options you have available on one race won't be in another, even if they theoretically share the same aspect (muscle sliders). Because that slider got repurposed for something else that the new race has that the other race didn't. So overall, character customization can't be built upon in the current system because it would have to sacrifice something else in the process.
Plus, Square Enix has been implementing features originally allowed by third party tools for a while now. You think showing what's physical and magic damage was all they did? Keep in mind that there are tools out there to modify your character and the environment in Gpose, and parts of it got added into the game when they started gaining traction. Especially the feature to freeze the time and weather. That wasn't there, it only got implemented when that posing tool rose in popularity back in Stormblood.
...btw, for the group that insists content shouldn't be cleared with stuff allowed by third party tools, explain to me the purpose of SE revealing what's physical and magic damage if not for mitigation purposes. Clearly Square Enix deemed that feature to be popular in demand (after like ten years of people insisting btw). Now there's no real need to use third party tools to reveal that. Seems to me the minmaxy part of the game is full force, Square just needs to figure out which to implement and which not to.
Which brings us to parsing. Honestly, what if they do implement parsing tools officially into the game, but make it safe to use? It'd be available only in high-end content. You'd only disclose your parses if you yourself wished it, and to select people (to the party, to your friends group, or fully public). And anyone caught coercing you to reveal them against your will would be considered harassing. That way you guys wouldn't need to feel anxious about your parses being public and being used to harass you, which is already prohibited anyway (unlike WoW, the devs actually do hammer down on people who harass you with parses, so really you have the power to make those guys shut up).
Plenty of stuff that third party tools have done have been slowly implemented into the game. Clearly SE sees the benefit of them and wants to bring them into a more legal side. Which is exactly what everyone wants. If there's any criticism I have is that it seems Square isn't looking into fixing their UI and QoL with proper thought and feedback. People have been asking for the Magic/Physical thing for years, and they only implement it because third party tools enabled it. That's not right. People suggest these things for so long. Why do we have to wait for a given tool to make them available for Square Enix to realize that this is what fans wanted?
That doesn't mean Square will enable cheating though, like zoomhacks.
But parsing? Yeah, there's a beneficial reason to implement it. They just need to do so responsibly.
And everything else? Yeah, there's a reason people insist "Square, third party tools can do this, please work on making it your own". Just go into any viera/hrothgar thread, someone at some point said as much. -
02-07-2023, 02:17 AMJohners
Square Enix should probably do something about the fact one of the popular plugins, Gshade, now includes malware.
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02-07-2023, 02:23 AMMidareyukkipfftQuote:
Originally Posted by Johners
"Anything could be in the payload, you were responsible for triggering it", yeah good luck holding that one in court xD
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02-07-2023, 02:52 AMsharknadoGDPR is user data protection and has nothing to do with malicious software directly. Also downloading and running an app just to notice it does not do what you expect it to do isn't something any legal system will care about. If it caused damages then depending on app EULA/whatever terms and country you and the app legal representative are you may have some case but that's usually not the case as even Microsoft gives you Windows "as is" and doesn't take any responsibility if the software causes damages or whatever for you and if it does not break country law it's fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Midareyukki
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02-07-2023, 02:54 AMAbsimiliardIt would behoove you to censor the names in your screenshot, as otherwise the post might get taken down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johners
Now JAPAN on the other hand... They do have laws against this kind of thing, and those laws are pursued with such fervor that I genuinely wonder if the lawyers over there don't derive immense joy from it. In fact, quite a few countries do have laws in place that would make this very thing tremendously illegal, though I suspect most wouldn't be willing to invest the funds to get someone extradited over something so minor. Applications must be malicious indeed if most countries are to be expected to act, even if the law on the matter is clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by sharknado
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02-07-2023, 02:56 AMLarirawielMhhh, maybe "NotNite" misunderstood Marot's statement. It seems, that "NotNite" executed a functionality, which was not intended to be used. Because it's in an Alpha state or whatever. Gshade noticed it, that this functionallity was used and it killed itself. And if Gshade kills itself then it also terminates the application, which uses Gshade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johners
And yes, Marot's statements are not helpful in such a situation. Because i can smell his arrogance. And for non software developers it still sounds very cryptic and the people have no clue what is going on. I also have to guess, what Marot propably meant.
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02-07-2023, 03:11 AMMidareyukkiYeah, that I know. It's meant to be about data protection. However, if the malware in question collects data, then yeah it'd be a violation. Though... probably not for the malware itself, but for the collection/storage of data.Quote:
Originally Posted by sharknado
x_x why be condescending in the first place, just explain to people "No, something happened and our tool shut down because of it". It's not hard, doesn't take any more of his time than it does to be a jerk...Quote:
Originally Posted by Larirawiel
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02-07-2023, 03:29 AMPaduduhttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...4134/image.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Midareyukki
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02-07-2023, 04:02 AMIvtrixnothing is sacred anymoreQuote:
Originally Posted by Padudu
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02-07-2023, 04:03 AMArcaviusGreyasheApart from the fact that despite what Lariwawiel said, this could very well be a malware, and yes, I do work in that field, and that I do recommend that anyone using Gshade uninstalls it ASAP until full light is made on that event...Quote:
Originally Posted by Johners
Why should they ? They don't approve the use of plugins/addons for many reasons, but one of them is "if you endorse those, you need to take responsibilities for whatever can happen through them". That includes exposing minors to sexual content, which is one of the reasons people on the forum hate it so much, but it goes way beyond.
If you, as a software developer, make a software that turns a CPU into mush, that's your responsibility. If you endorse the use of third party plugins and that those turn a CPU into mush, that's ALSO your responsibility. They don't need to do anything, because they spend a lot of time explaining that they wish players do not use them, not because they care that much, but because they don't want to be responsible for any of that.
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02-07-2023, 04:04 AMMidareyukkiAccording to twitter, it was to mess with one person in specific?Quote:
Originally Posted by Padudu
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02-07-2023, 04:05 AMJohners
Gshade dev has already called it quits already and it'll no longer be receiving updates going forward. Life really comes at you hard.
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02-07-2023, 04:06 AMtechnole
SEGA uses anti-cheat for PSO2 as the entire economy is integrated into the game. Like it's cash shop and buy-in currency. All it takes is a 3rd party exploit and they could lose a lot of revenue quickly. Especially being F2P where they live on purchased cosmetics and premium passes. There isn't a lot of incentive for XIV because Mogstation exists. These little things like overlays in the game like reading the network numbers so you can see party damage, zoom, to some measly chat bubble does not really cheat other players experiences. Nor will it cost them revenue, so the added cost and maintenance doesn't align when they can just ban people at-will. Apparently the numbers must seem to align that if there is enough wrist-slapping, people change their ways like on the world race stage.
People who do things that are beyond shady like packet manipulation are very much at-risk cause they can just sniff incoming traffic, make network rules, and deceive actions if they'd like around that.
Petty child, and it's the actual gshade users that suffer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Padudu
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02-07-2023, 04:07 AMIvtrixthe moment you break trust, its all overQuote:
Originally Posted by Midareyukki
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02-07-2023, 05:55 AMRansuThis post has "I'm 12 years old" written all over it lmfao. No adult would make a post like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldschoolegamer38
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02-07-2023, 05:58 AMsolimianoIf he is 12 he's breaking tos... Minimum age is 13Quote:
Originally Posted by Ransu
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02-07-2023, 06:11 AMMcg55ss
Well Gshade just seems to be another reason for me to enjoy the game without add-ons. Sucks for everyone who had it though. Wonder how this will now affect things going forward
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02-07-2023, 06:52 AMAxxion
Damn that went nuclear they even got banned from the 14 reddit discord. Well he better stay low for awhile.
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02-07-2023, 06:54 AMKaurhz
There's a monumental amount of irony in this.
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02-07-2023, 06:54 AMArcaviusGreyashePeople will forget and install WhateverShade pops up next. Some will ask whether it is safe, a remote friend of them will tell them it is, so they'll install it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcg55ss
Although I would argue that the fact there was that much of a mess, as soon as this (the thing appeared in the latest patch, which is, as I understand it, a few days old) proves that there are enough people that know their s*** in this community to protect the others. So hey, I'd say, from an outsider point of view, that seems pretty good actually. -
02-07-2023, 06:55 AMAbsimiliard
I think the best part in all this is that it boils down to one dude being butthurt because his ego couldn't handle being outdone by a 16-year-old. I truly hope the teenager in question decides to be a programmer, because they clearly have a bright future in it.
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02-07-2023, 07:02 AMSaraideWhy do they need to do anything about it? They arent responsible for what mods people install and it seems the community is quite capable of handling this situation themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johners
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02-07-2023, 07:49 AMFawkes
Yoshi-P should add malware to protect us from malware.
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02-07-2023, 08:26 AMRitsukoSonodadoes that make it malmalware?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fawkes
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02-07-2023, 09:08 AMMcg55ssanyone that thinks anticheat is a malware probably shouldn't speak on any subject matter. like ANY subject matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fawkes
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02-07-2023, 10:06 AMFawkesSo what you're saying is, I should have my own podcast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcg55ss
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02-07-2023, 10:59 AMArcaviusGreyasheNot saying anticheat are malware, but be saying anticheat slow down games and get their hands on more than they should. I don't care about that, as I do think that we already have no privacy to begin with, and I don't really mind because I've gotten to terms with that, but you can't blame people for defending theirs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcg55ss
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02-07-2023, 11:21 AMHikariKurosawa
Next you will find that ACT and cactbot stole your mother's credit card information.
For real though, it would serve you right for your cheats to become malware. square enix isn't punishing you, karma should. -
02-07-2023, 12:08 PMIvtrixthis would actually improve my mothers credit scoreQuote:
Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa
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02-07-2023, 12:51 PMHikariKurosawaThis mentality is actually going to kill the game. You think that it's about money, but it's really about success and legitimacy. MMOs can just die. You cheaters are killing this mmo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivtrix
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02-07-2023, 01:00 PMAtelier-BagurIts cringey how almost every post you make regarding the devs is so obviously written out of contempt for them lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Saraide
Anyway, I think this maaay be a big deal if Yoshida finds out about this drama. Since Gshade was really one of the only few third party programs that can be openly talked about and they have gone on record in the past that them was an exception due to its implementation.
However the fact that the tool dev did something this malicious is just going to throw more fuel into the already on going fire with 3rd party programs with what the drama we just had with TOP. You should absolutely be considering how this will affect their stance on 3rd party even more. How about you quit acting like the devs dont matter when its their game and they're the ones who will ultimately start cracking down on everything we do because of light of this situation with a commonly used tool for the game. This is not about whether the community can handle itself, its about the attitude were expressing to the dev team whom already are getting sick and tired of dealing with our bs time and time again. -
02-07-2023, 01:08 PMIvtrixDrama queen lmfaoQuote:
Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa
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02-07-2023, 01:19 PMHikariKurosawaAm I though? What are you people going to do when the only ones left playing the game are modders and then the mod community takes things too far? Square enix disables mods, all the parsers quit, and then what? Nobody is left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivtrix
You're creating a community that is dependent on unsupported third party addons that are against the ToS. If they stop respecting the legit player and only pander to addon abusers, guess what? It's not sustainable and it's likely to blow up in their faces. Legitimate players should always be valued above the cheaters and rule breakers. They are the ones that will support the game as is. They don't hold the developers hostage by saying things like "we will all quit if you disable parsing and ACT."
They just enjoy the game. You people are killing it for the demographic that actually matters, and square enix will lose if they continue to support your side.
Fact is, I cancelled my sub over the omega stink, and I'm definitely not alone. Fair play matters a lot to certain types of people.
This game is not good enough, and not regularly updated enough for them to get away with this. It's not that successful. It's mediocre at best. -
02-07-2023, 01:28 PMThaciscokiddHe knows. Oh I guarantee that he knows. That two thing on 3rd party programs on two big communities in a little bit over a week. They're probably accessing the situation. If someone got there stuff stolen or have something malicious done to them and they decide to sue the gshade dev, SQenix could technically get dragged into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur
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02-07-2023, 02:34 PMZebraoracleOkay bye! If you haven't realized no one here gives two craps what you have to say, I don't know what else to tell you lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa
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02-07-2023, 02:36 PMHikariKurosawaDoesn't matter what anyone here thinks. The developers will make their decision regardless of what you or I value. You're not in a position to tell me anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zebraoracle