New hrothgar hairstyles are really bad.

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Originally Posted by yamaoyaji

Hello everyone.
I am not sure what exactly is meant by the Japanese patch note notation.
Do you need cash or will the hairdresser cut it for you?
If they cut it for me, I would decline.
I think we should wait for the 6.1 patch notes to be read out.

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Hello!
We're not sure, the patch notes in regards to Hrothgar are confusing... But when Au'Ra, Hrothgar and Viera (male and female) were implemented, the patch notes used similar wording. So we're just confused and wondering if Hrothgar still need to pay real money for their haircut?
Thank you! :)

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パッチノートがわかりにくいので、よくわかりません。しかし、アウラ、フロスガー、ヴィエラ（男性・女性）が実装された際にも、パッチノートには同じような表現が使われていました...。ということで、フロストガーはまだ髪にお金を払う必要があるのかどうか、混乱しています。
ご連絡ありがとうございます。:)

Frankly even with ears, most of those hairstyle look like wig on a Hrotgar :/

Honestly, at this stage, i'll just be happy if i'm able to change between the 8 existing Hrothgar hairstyles on each head. The patch notes made it sound like the things like sideburns and braids are being added to hairstyles we have, so that would pad out the options for each of them too.

Absolutely no interest in those silly looking wigs

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Originally Posted by Zerard

For me, the fact that existing hrothgar players still have to pay for fantasias to even have access to these hairstyles is an absolute smack in the face. I was thinking on entertaining of at least getting the Snow hairstyle, but if I have to pay for the Snow hairstyle and the fantasia to change? No thank you. A very anti consumer decision was made in the implementation of these hairstyles, let alone quality. I feel so terrible for those who were promised new hrothgar hairstyles, were handed this drek, and are now being told 'Now pay us for them'- Especially when most are hairstyles that exist in the game for other players to obtain and change to for free at their leisure. Pathetic.

Be sure to warn new players who are interested about playing a hrothgar character about these hairstyles in particular. Because once you go earless, you gotta pay 10 USD before tax to get them back.

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They should get true to their ways and make Vieras require to fantasia to swap their hairstyle aswell. /s

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Originally Posted by Acke

Honestly, at this stage, i'll just be happy if i'm able to change between the 8 existing Hrothgar hairstyles on each head. The patch notes made it sound like the things like sideburns and braids are being added to hairstyles we have, so that would pad out the options for each of them too.

Absolutely no interest in those silly looking wigs

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To be completely honest that was what I was expecting initially.

Wait, you mean you guys aren't excited? Thought you'd be more stoked for the patch. I know I am!

https://i.imgur.com/sOeI6e6.png
https://i.imgur.com/7qT0XfZ.png
https://i.imgur.com/1TC6h4p.png
https://i.imgur.com/1lUxLRA.png

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Originally Posted by vartrashadowbane

Whose ears is that? I think I know.
Its owner is quite sad though.
It really is a tale of woe,
I watch him frown. I cry! It's a Hrothgar Blow

He gives his ears a shake,
And sobs until the tears make.
The only other sound's that break,
the distant sounds of viera awake(What about us they cry? Hatless and alone)

The cats arent alone, their sadness deep,
But they have promises to keep,
Until then they shall not sleep.
The bunnies join them in their weep

They rise from their bitter beds,
With thoughts of sadness in their heads,
their idols and gods they must make dead.
Facing the day with never ending dread.

(Our ears! the cry echoes on the wind, our hats! But no one hears them)

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Ok, no jokes here, this is amazing!

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Originally Posted by Hexblue

https://i.imgur.com/7qT0XfZ.png

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Looks like it's not only Hrothgars that lost their ears.
Just look at how round and smooth that red head looks.

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Originally Posted by Hexblue

https://i.imgur.com/1TC6h4p.png

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Oh I get it.

Wait no.

I don't get it.

no ears, also no "ER" but also no "U" or "UR"?

but "Eager" still has "ER" in it.

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Originally Posted by yamaoyaji

Hello everyone.
I am not sure what exactly is meant by the Japanese patch note notation.
Do you need cash or will the hairdresser cut it for you?
If they cut it for me, I would decline.
I think we should wait for the 6.1 patch notes to be read out.

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Hello friend.
We would like to help you with that, but the English patch notes are very vague.
I think they use the same wording when they added Au'Ra, Female/Male Viera and Hrothgar.
But those weren't in the game prior so the mention of the Aesthetician wasn't a problem.
People are worried that the need for Fantasia to change your hair is still here.
Since this wasn't an option prior and the patch notes only make reference to the character creation, Fantasia and Retainer creation.
Sorry.

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Originally Posted by GrimGale

Oh I get it.

Wait no.

I don't get it.

no ears, also no "ER" but also no "U" or "UR"?

but "Eager" still has "ER" in it.

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The characters who lost their ears also lost their ers (and urs.)
Dungeons don't have ears to lose.

Edit: Oh I misunderstood. Dunno why I thought 'eager' in your post was from a dungeon name. You make a valid point.

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Originally Posted by GrimGale

Oh I get it.

Wait no.

I don't get it.

no ears, also no "ER" but also no "U" or "UR"?

but "Eager" still has "ER" in it.

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No ears like the rest of the screens, now including their names, that could just be farthest to close with the word "ear" itself ("er", "ur").

Edit after your edit: Maybe because it an overall word, and not belonging to the job itself. Also had that flaw in mind, heh

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Originally Posted by Veen

They should get true to their ways and make Vieras require to fantasia to swap their hairstyle aswell. /s

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I don't think punishing other players should be the way to go, as the Viera players are sticking with us and trying to help and give their support. I see 2 ways forward: 1. They get a small team to sort this issue out. or 2. Rework the Hrothgar models to have fewer limitations.

I've turned from a gaseous from of copium to a crystalized version. When female hrothgars come out, break me. Use my copium fragments to create hopium. My sacrifice will hopefully remove the current dev team and replace them with a more competant crew.

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Originally Posted by Pip_Chick

I don't think punishing other players should be the way to go, as the Viera players are sticking with us and trying to help and give their support. I see 2 ways forward: 1. They get a small team to sort this issue out. or 2. Rework the Hrothgar models to have fewer limitations.

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/s shows they were being sarcastic. It's a pretty common internetism.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=%2FS

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Originally Posted by Hexblue

The characters who lost their ears also lost their ers (and urs.)
Dungeons don't have ears to lose.

Edit: Oh I misunderstood. Dunno why I thought 'eager' in your post was from a dungeon name. You make a valid point.

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Just curious but...what english accent pronounces "Ear" as "ur"? I want to know now

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Originally Posted by GrimGale

Just curious but...what english accent pronounces "Ear" as "ur"? I want to know now

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Maybe ask YoshiP and his team. I'm sure, they know certain ways. In doubt, please think it of unhiding that inside the words *coughs*


(If I try to bend and hide the ears of my cat for longer, I can pick my face from her claws within few minutes after, btw...)

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Originally Posted by Pip_Chick

Hello friend.
We would like to help you with that, but the English patch notes are very vague.
I think they use the same wording when they added Au'Ra, Female/Male Viera and Hrothgar.
But those weren't in the game prior so the mention of the Aesthetician wasn't a problem.
People are worried that the need for Fantasia to change your hair is still here.
Since this wasn't an option prior and the patch notes only make reference to the character creation, Fantasia and Retainer creation.
Sorry.

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I think we will be able to change hair without fantasia, the patch note mention the creation of the hairstyle category ( same category with didnt get from the start), also the fact that there no ear on the hair is because the Dev attached the ear on the head model instead of the hair themself...

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Originally Posted by NishaSetsuya

I think we will be able to change hair without fantasia, the patch note mention the creation of the hairstyle category ( same category with didnt get from the start), also the fact that there no ear on the hair is because the Dev attached the ear on the head model instead of the hair themself...

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which is not only absurd but a ridiculously easy fix which is why it's so strange they decided to just... lop them off. it isn't that difficult to just pin them to the top of a hairstyle.

but i sound like a broken record at this point.

They should just give Hrothgar players a unique/untradeable unlimited supply of Fantasias until they fix this mess.

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Originally Posted by Pip_Chick

I don't think punishing other players should be the way to go, as the Viera players are sticking with us and trying to help and give their support. I see 2 ways forward: 1. They get a small team to sort this issue out. or 2. Rework the Hrothgar models to have fewer limitations.

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/s means the statement that preceeded it was sarcastic, and that the sarcasm ended at /s. It's like a full stop for sarcasm.

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Originally Posted by Denji

which is not only absurd but a ridiculously easy fix which is why it's so strange they decided to just... lop them off. it isn't that difficult to just pin them to the top of a hairstyle.

but i sound like a broken record at this point.

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But how will the poor devs adhere to the strict polygon limit set in ARR/PS3 days while giving us both hair AND ears?

/s

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Originally Posted by alsiniz

But how will the poor devs adhere to the strict polygon limit set in ARR/PS3 days while giving us both hair AND ears?

/s

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i'm gonna /slap the next person who suggests that's the problem i stg

You only have 2 options, either SE drop the female Heothgar and pour all efforts into improving Heorhgar base model or deal with Hrothgar medial is not compatible to new hair stayles

yoshi-p should be ashamed of this

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Originally Posted by Denji

i'm gonna /slap the next person who suggests that's the problem i stg

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But Denji, grapes!

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Originally Posted by Denji

which is not only absurd but a ridiculously easy fix which is why it's so strange they decided to just... lop them off. it isn't that difficult to just pin them to the top of a hairstyle.

but i sound like a broken record at this point.

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We all do at this point, let's face it.

We can speculate and theorize. Some of us do know how 3D models for customizable videogame characters are made, and not only have explained it, but also fixed the problem independently. But at the end of the day it still stands that there's a reason behind their decision. Either a lack of some resource, knowledge, priorities, standards... or even the process of how they do these models to begin with. And that's without getting into the "they don't like X race" argument. We'd only know if they actually sit down and explain things properly rather than just say "Oh yeah it's because the way we made the ears makes it awkward" without any further explanation.

So if it truly isn't that difficult, they could tell us more about what's causing the hold up. Good luck getting an answer though, they tend to be rather silent.

Frankly, going by what has been said. If they have changed hrothgar ears to be attatched to the hair. I frankly won't touch any new hairstyles. But even though that's a sufficient solution for me, It doesn't excuse the horrible treatment hrothgar get from SE. Ears right now are attached to the head. How do we know this? The hrothgar in Gangos who has F2 H6 has the same ears as me, a hrothgar with F2. If they change it to the ears being part of the hair... That's just making it MORE complicated.

Also... The reason why this stands out. EVEN WITH these ear metadata flags on gearpieces. The ears are still hidden. For example, the werewolf ears. With some camera tricks and some play with character scaling you can look into the model... And Much like every other race, when we wear the werewolf ears. Our hrothgar ears are hidden via Metadata boolean flags.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...97/unknown.png.
That little space where you can see into the head. The lower jaw, etc. That's caused since the ears aren't there.

Viera hairstyles have holes in them specifically for the ears...
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...662&height=935
So.... Why not us?

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Originally Posted by Lily_Skye

yoshi-p should be ashamed of this

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This is going to sound mean but he'll probably do a video where he cries on stream and then the whole community will forgive him. This happens every single time something wrong happens with the game.

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Originally Posted by Kyrj

This is going to sound mean but he'll probably do a video where he cries on stream and then the whole community will forgive him. This happens every single time something wrong happens with the game.

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Oh absolutely. And then whenever something bad happens again in the future people will go YOSHI P CRIED HAVE SOME RESPECT!People don’t seem to realize a big reason this is happening is because people just forget when there’s problems like this.

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Originally Posted by Kyrj

This is going to sound mean but he'll probably do a video where he cries on stream and then the whole community will forgive him. This happens every single time something wrong happens with the game.

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I guess, i would forgive him ... :3


Cheers

inb4 people saying that he should stop crying on camera, he's a grown man and should act professional and do his darn job than wasting time acting overly emotional.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

inb4 people saying that he should stop crying on camera, he's a grown man and should act professional and do his darn job than wasting time acting overly emotional.

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i mean it's not really an inb4 if people are esentially already saying that.
that said i don't really see the point of attacking him if he does do that. let the man cry if he wants, i ain't gonna insult a guy for doing so. i just want the damn problem fixed.

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Originally Posted by Kyrj

This is going to sound mean but he'll probably do a video where he cries on stream and then the whole community will forgive him. This happens every single time something wrong happens with the game.

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Compares to WoW dev’s arrogance, I side with him whether you like it or not

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Originally Posted by Denji

i mean it's not really an inb4 if people are esentially already saying that.
that said i don't really see the point of attacking him if he does do that. let the man cry if he wants, i ain't gonna insult a guy for doing so. i just want the damn problem fixed.

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Im pretty sure there's going to be a good amount of people attacking him for it. If THAT ends up being the case if they decide to address the issues like a YT apology video. People are mad (and rightfully so), and many of them gave up on any good faith the devs built long ago. They dont care about them, they only care they fix the issues they implemented and move on.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Compares to WoW dev’s arrogance, I side with him whether you like it or not

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Relax, I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but it happens every time there's a problem. Servers act up? I get it. To many people playing the game and it causes problems? I get it. But this is a problem made from their own hand.

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Originally Posted by Denji

that said i don't really see the point of attacking him if he does do that. let the man cry if he wants, i ain't gonna insult a guy for doing so. i just want the damn problem fixed.

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Agreed.
I don’t see a reason in kicking someone while they’re down. The Hrothgar situation aside, surely we can all agree that 6.1 is in fact a major update with huge quality of life changes for the game. He slacked off in the Hrothgar department, but he made major changes elsewhere.

I’m just as upset as anyone else, and I am one of the people who let the Hrothgar situation overshadow the entirety of what’s coming in 6.1, but I believe he will acknowledge the mistake and I’m hoping he’ll fix it sooner rather than later.

Look on the bright side - Hrothgar’s getting media coverage, the popular threads on both the ENG and JPN forum.. This is a priority now.

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Originally Posted by Kyrj

This is going to sound mean but he'll probably do a video where he cries on stream and then the whole community will forgive him. This happens every single time something wrong happens with the game.

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And a lot of people are going to forgive him if he does. I stand on "just as long as actual work gets done". He can cry all he wants, what I want is for this to get resolved. With professionalism, interest and seriousness.


Though I doubt he'd cry. He usually only sheds tears when he thinks the disappointment is global AND harsh. And while it seems like it is here, with players from all sorts of characters expressing their dissatisfaction to the hairs and solidarity to Hrothgar players, it isn't exactly "game-breaking" like 1.0 or the servers crapping out a few months ago.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

Look on the bright side - Hrothgar’s getting media coverage, the popular threads on both the ENG and JPN forum.. This is a priority now.

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I want to be that optimistic, Sherlotta... but then I start wondering "wasn't there much more coverage on the shortcomings and updates to Viera, and they're still kind of in the same boat anyway?". Which just lowers the overall optimism.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

Agreed.
I don’t see a reason in kicking someone while they’re down. The Hrothgar situation aside, surely we can all agree that 6.1 is in fact a major update with huge quality of life changes for the game. He slacked off in the Hrothgar department, but he made major changes elsewhere.

I’m just as upset as anyone else, and I am one of the people who let the Hrothgar situation overshadow the entirety of what’s coming in 6.1, but I believe he will acknowledge the mistake and I’m hoping he’ll fix it sooner rather than later.

Look on the bright side - Hrothgar’s getting media coverage, the popular threads on both the ENG and JPN forum.. This is a priority now.

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I guess it’s subjective. I don’t see much coming out of 6.1. Still haven’t addressed healer problems, content wise it’s just a once a week alli raid and msq since pvp and whatever else got pushed back.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

I guess it’s subjective. I don’t see much coming out of 6.1. Still haven’t addressed healer problems, content wise it’s just a once a week alli raid and msq since pvp and whatever else got pushed back.

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pssht at least compared to other MMOs where patch content cycle schedules is just up whatever or whenever the devs decided they feel like releasing them. FFXIV does a good job on delivering it in a consistent pace.

I'm just wondering if he'll even acknowledge it, it would be nice to at least get a "We are working on it" instead of radio silence.