Cash shop confirmed

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Originally Posted by Magis

We live in a society where people need to get the latest phone every year because a marketing team told them they needed it. Are you that surprised?

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Yes I am. People buy anew phone because a new one comes out with new features that the old one didn't have. More powerful, more memory more features. It's a new product.

This is not new. People are happily gonna pay them money for the same exact thing we had before for free and even the people that don't buy now have something that their subscription few doesn't get them. So they downgrade our subscription and still some have no problem with this just kuz other games have done this too.

Getting screwed is getting screwed, I don't care who does it, I'm not gonna happily take it from all angles because it's somehow the norm on other games

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Originally Posted by IveraIvalice

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You're dealing with a group of gamers who are fanatical in their devotion to this development team. I expected people to rabidly back SE on their decision to water down the meaning of our Subscription cost. Doesn't mean I'll sit back and take it though. My sub is up in march. I'll play until I either get bored or it runs out whichever comes first. I refuse to pay to play and then double dip with a cash shop. F*ck that!

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Originally Posted by IveraIvalice

I still can't believe there are so many people who ok with saying "yeah I'll pay more money for the things I got for free before"
You just want to be ripped off and have no issue with it

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It's exactly that. I don't understand why some people are so insistent in pulling their pants down and spreading their cheeks when they didn't have to before. It really baffles me.

The sad part is actually that we won't be able to stop it at this point unless people make big riots on every server or something.

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiZero

It's exactly that. I don't understand why some people are so insistent in pulling their pants down and spreading their cheeks when they didn't have to before. It really baffles me.

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You are getting extra stuff that you didn't have before ever think of it that way? They can put more money into adding more extras in the game that wouldn't of existed otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

You are getting extra stuff that you didn't have before ever think of it that way? They can put more money into adding more extras in the game that wouldn't of existed otherwise.

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and then charge you for said extras!

Everything, EVERYTHING that would have gone into the game will now go into the cash stop instead. Stop pretending that this cash shop is mysteriously going to cause them to develop more non-cash shop items or that the items that are going into the cash shop weren't going to be included into the game before the cash shop. Basically you're just paying for the items that your subscription cost should pay for.

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Originally Posted by IveraIvalice

Yes I am. People buy anew phone because a new one comes out with new features that the old one didn't have. More powerful, more memory more features. It's a new product.

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It's still a bunch of crap you were led to believe you need. It amazes me how people will pay so much just to keep glued to social media. The world got sucker'd.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

You are getting extra stuff that you didn't have before ever think of it that way? They can put more money into adding more extras in the game that wouldn't of existed otherwise.

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Slepnir has existed in the game as a mount in beta, there was a Dev Blog a while back with a dev playing with it. He has to for Odin to work properly, as Odin takes the appearance of a player. Recently it was added back in as a proper player mount, as you can find on XIVDB as they datamined it. Slepnir was most likely going to be a rare drop from Odins Extreme Trial when it's put it in. They have cut it off to sell in the cash shop.

With the first items in the cash shop they have, with Slepnir, already set a precedent to remove content that was going to be in the game and sell it instead. Won't be surprised if the Minions were also meant to be in the game as a seasonal reward too like Minifilia and Thancred were. Now whenever they add items to the cash shop, the first question will be, were these actually taken out of the game to be sold instead of being obtainable in the game?

I'm just waiting for them to add Hairstyles to the cash shop cause they know people will pay for those.
Makes sense why they only add a couple in every patch tho, they want to sell the others they've made cause they know ppl want them.
Gonna have to rethink if this is worth spending more time on this game or if I should only sub for main storyline >_<

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Originally Posted by Black91CRX

It's still a bunch of crap you were led to believe you need. It amazes me how people will pay so much just to keep glued to social media. The world got sucker'd.

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Wether people were tempted into buying it or not it is a new product with new features that made it different and better then the previous one that they otherwise would not have any other way. No ones handing you a phone every year for free.

In this case we would normally get these items at no extra cost

This isn't even comparable. One is an entirely new product that has been upgraded and you would not have because it's a single purchase item.
These items in game were obtainable in game, included in our monthly subscription and nothing is changed about them.

The point of being tempted into buying either a phone or these items has nothing to do with this. This argument is based on facts. The simple fact that we had something before and now we have to pay more to get what we had access to before

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Originally Posted by IveraIvalice

This argument is based on facts. The simple fact that we had something before and now we have to pay more to get what we had access to before

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Access to what before? Event items? Offering a cash shop alternative to someone who missed a past event or is simply new to the game is great. Otherwise they'd never have a shot at it.

Honestly, this is just the "painful" phase. Eventually, the shop will expand and the game might go F2P. At that point, the shop will make perfect sense. It's just the awkward period where they still require a sub and have this shop that is kind of awful.

If subs drop but shop purchases increase, eventually it would make sense to drop the sub requirement and just go for shop sales. They might keep the sub as optional for some convenience things (like EQ 2 does)... and so they can claim they made good on the "never F2P" promise... because it's not "completely F2P"... even though it pretty much will be.

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Originally Posted by Black91CRX

Access to what before? Event items? Offering a cash shop alternative to someone who missed a past event or is simply new to the game is great. Otherwise they'd never have a shot at it.

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That's true for things that people missed out on that others had a chance to get in game already. But what about those things that will never be released in game and are only available on the cash shop. That's what we're talking about. For the entire duration of this games life when a minion or mount was being released we would know we could get it by playing the game. Now there will be things we can't get by playing the game and only obtainable by paying more money.

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Originally Posted by Black91CRX

Access to what before? Event items? Offering a cash shop alternative to someone who missed a past event or is simply new to the game is great. Otherwise they'd never have a shot at it.

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So instead of offering those past items for purchase from event NPCs during seasonal events like they had done so far, they're now offering them for real money. If that isn't greedy, I mean smart business, I don't know what is.

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Originally Posted by Shikiseki

The sad part is actually that we won't be able to stop it at this point unless people make big riots on every server or something.

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The way this 1 thread is going, might is well call it a riot lol!

Yeah, i bet that they start selling new unlockable hairstyles for all characters (these will sell like candy), new face paints, tattoos, costumes etc etc. I don't really mind it, i pay only 9.99 each month, but it is always shame to see this happen.

At the risk of being labelled a white knight, I'd thought I'd maybe offer a different view point on this argument, that maybe some people hadn't considered as they have quite passionate view on this topic already.

When 2.0 was preparing to launch I and other 1.0 players were ecstatic to discover we would be given a chance to use the character creator which was vastly enhanced to the 1.0 version. To give a way for players to 'flag' this option an item called Fantasia was created. Shortly into the launch people saw this option and wished they could have a do over as many rushed making their character to get into the game and regretted it later. SE thus gave every player one as a reward for subbing.

Numerous threads appeared on the forums with massive demand for a way to obtain more fantasias. I recall several threads on 'How much would you pay for a fantasia'. In effect we were asking SE to let us pay money for an in game item, that had a purely cosmetic effect... a vanity item. SE listened and fantasias were made available for a set price via the mog station. People bought them in droves and returned to the forums to ask the limit of 10 fantasias per account was removed.

Fast forward to the recruit a friend campaign. People paid for new copies of the game and a 90 sub to receive a vanity item. Before people argue it was for the circlet, an item which confers an in game advantage. The draught chocobo was an additional 60 days subscription past the friendship circlet.

Understandably, not everyone wants to spend money to obtain items they cannot otherwise get, but if not a majority certainly a very vocal section of the community has asked for it if not by name but by their actions and requests that SE offer certain services or items for a real money cost. Indeed within this thread there was a request for a paid name change service.

Oh no, SE is selling vanity items that wont affect anything gameplay-wise, surely this means the game will go F2P and Pay2Win!

... Lol.

Also, people taking it so personal that they're selling minions and such are silly as well. It's just vanity stuff, and you get a plushie as well for the money.

Hmmm, I wonder if Fenrir will also be a mount that we must pay for? The 3d rendering we saw lhad a gap on his waist where a sadle can be installed.

Its just sad that content is cut from game (like the chibi scions and sleipnir) to be placed on the cash shop.

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Originally Posted by Shikiseki

The sad part is actually that we won't be able to stop it at this point unless people make big riots on every server or something.

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The only thing SE would understand clearly is subs tanking like an iron weight into the Marianas trench....

... but people are both too addicted to the game and too attached to the characters they've invested thousands of hours into in order to abandon it all to make a protest of that magnitude.

And even if 10% of the subs quit, the remaining players who buy anything and everything the cash shop offers will make up the difference, and then some.

Just imagine what the anniversary would have been with a cash shop. No DQ, FFXI and LR fates, no Minfilia and Thancred minions, they'd have all been available at the cash shop! How many people will buy the "Huzzah!" emote when the 2nd birthday comes?

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I still can't believe there are so many people who ok with saying "yeah I'll pay more money for the things I got for free before"
You just want to be ripped off and have no issue with it

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Hit the nail on the head.

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Originally Posted by Teirshin

The only thing SE would understand clearly is subs tanking like an iron weight into the Marianas trench....

... but people are both too addicted to the game and too attached to the characters they've invested thousands of hours into in order to abandon it all to make a protest of that magnitude.

And even if 10% of the subs quit, the remaining players who buy anything and everything the cash shop offers will make up the difference, and then some.

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It'd also be very silly to quit for something that doesn't affect you at all in-game.

SE isn't really new to doing dlc / optional content, they budget out a certain amount of content to be premium. All of there console release games have a lot of optional content.

Here is an example, have you guys played Theatrhythm Final Fantasy: Curtain Call? There is about 30 extra songs you can buy on the eshop. You get like 200 songs when you buy the game, SE gave away 2 dlc songs for free but now they charge 99 cents a song if you want them all its about another 30 bucks. This is basically the age of micro transactions in games. It has already been proven that a majority of people will buy the extra stuff vs the people who will quit and not use their product.

Well, reposting what I said in another thread



Would be nice for everyone if cash show was...

A kicktarter/patreon kinda stuff

Bear with me...

1- Cash shop sells items to players
2- Players contribute to a goal of cash (shown or not)
3- New items are made for cash shop with those funds (a design team other than the one they have so game play content don't get delayed)
4- Contributing players get a single exclusive item (like veteran reward but with cash shop support)
5- Old items get discounted (till they are free/almost free)
6- repeat

That way shop gets funding for more MODELS and not just re-skins of items/gear, and those models can be used for other stuff/quests for everyone, and with discounts it would be nice for everyone.

Give shop cash as a veteran reward so people can get items from shop without spending more money, and there, everyone happy

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Originally Posted by Moqi

Just imagine what the anniversary would have been with a cash shop. No DQ, FFXI and LR fates, no Minfilia and Thancred minions, they'd have all been available at the cash shop! How many people will buy the "Huzzah!" emote when the 2nd birthday comes?


Hit the nail on the head.

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Oh, I forgot you can get the mog minion and plushie for free. Totally hit the nail on the head there! ;) Just like the minion you get for buying the soudtrack, or the minion for buying the CE copy of the game. Totally free and always has been.

...Really? some minions will be free, others wont. It will always be that way and always has been that way, and I don't see why that's a big deal.

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Originally Posted by Miya_Carbuncle

Oh, I forgot you can get the mog minion and plushie for free. Totally hit the nail on the head there! ;) Just like the minion you get for buying the soudtrack, or the minion for buying the CE copy of the game. Totally free and always has been.

...Really?

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It's been discussed a thousand times in more than this thread why it's not the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Moqi

It's been discussed a thousand times in more than this thread why it's not the same thing.

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... That makes no sense. For the mog minion, you buy the mog plushie. For the CE minion you buy the CE copy for the game.

It's literally the same thing. You buy something, and a minion comes with it as a bonus.

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Originally Posted by Roris

So instead of offering those past items for purchase from event NPCs during seasonal events like they had done so far, they're now offering them for real money. If that isn't greedy, I mean smart business, I don't know what is.

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Maybe i've looked in the wrong places but I haven't seen any of the older seasonal items for sale that I hadn't participated in myself. The event's items I missed aren't even listed.

The slope.

Sure it is just vanity items => Sure it is just a minor buff => It allows those without alot of time to get caught up it is only buffs who cares => "Now for a short time offer you can buy 1 character at Ilvl 55 for the upcoming expansion for a 1 time fee of $50!!!. Come join now and join with your friends to defend Eorzea" => They are only selling tier 1 endgame items it is not like it is hurting serious raiders. => Come get the golden chocobo mount. Flying, Swiming, +150% movement speed compaired to your standard issue chocobo. $74.99.

SE is a corporation and those entities tend to get blinded when money comes in. More $$$ =/= Better game but many companys will argue the opposite.

IF they want to make additional revenue how about figure out why more subs are coming to the game and fix it. Get more $$$ by getting more subs, everyone wins. This is nothing but a cash grab by SE and I 100% disapprove.

SE can say vanity only, but from what I see around the mmo genre. That vanity term will get twisted and things will stop being vanity eventully. See if they will prove me wrong. Every other f2p mmo I played gave advantages to the people droping $100s of dollars a month over those just paying the 15 sub.

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Originally Posted by jazo

Would be nice for everyone if cash show was...

A kicktarter/patreon kinda stuff

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Here's my issue with this-and I've seen this brought up elsewhere for other games as well - SE is a multi-million dollar company. Kickstarters (and the like) are for people/groups who DON'T already have the money and want to produce something. Why should I (in effect) donate money to SE (or any big-name company) to get something better out of my game? Which I'm already paying a monthly fee for btw. Even if they give me things (virtual things at that) for my money, it's still a multi-million dollar company asking for donations to do what they've already been doing for years and are already getting paid millions to do. And that doesn't sit well with me.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

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"Hey guys, we're going to sell plushies that will also give you a minion."

"OMG GUYS THEY'RE GOING BECOME P2W EVERYBODY PANIC" <- basically this thread

Lol. Silly forum people and their over-dramatizing. ^_^; It's been only minions and mounts since the start and people are already fussing about it becoming P2W, lol. Why not actually wait for that to happen before automatically assuming based on absolutely nothing?

You know, this 1 thread alone should be more than enough to toss this idea to the side ( after they test it out on October 28th of course).

Just my 2 cents: I don't see difference between the cash shop and the Collector's Edition exclusive in-game stuff.

Essentially, you pay more to have a content unobtainable in normal gameplay.

As suggestion, I think that cash shop could sell timed-exclusive content.

You want to mount Sleipnir right now? Pay with cash, but next month all players will have the chance to obtain Sleipnir.

i think they're making a lot of profit already if the subscription base is 2.5 mil. They get between $250mil to 375mil a month.

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Originally Posted by Coldheart

As suggestion, I think that cash shop could sell timed-exclusive content.

You want to mount Sleipnir right now? Pay with cash, but next month all players will have the chance to obtain Sleipnir.

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That kinda makes sense. I may not agree with it, but it would be better than just straight up selling it on the cash shop with no way to get them in-game.

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Originally Posted by Miya_Carbuncle

... That makes no sense. For the mog minion, you buy the mog plushie. For the CE minion you buy the CE copy for the game.

It's literally the same thing. You buy something, and a minion comes with it as a bonus.

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Well with CE, you can buy the digital CE version which is literally just the mounts and minion.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

You know, this 1 thread alone should be more than enough to toss this idea to the side ( after they test it out on October 28th of course).

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xept for the sad truth that a) forum is the minority of the player base
b) the ppl that are against it will most prolly be running around on a Sleipnir soon as its out

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Originally Posted by Black91CRX

Maybe i've looked in the wrong places but I haven't seen any of the older seasonal items for sale that I hadn't participated in myself. The event's items I missed aren't even listed.

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I was able to buy all the yukatas and costumes during the summer event, as well as all the different earrings a couple of weeks ago. I thought those were past seasonal items.

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Originally Posted by Miya_Carbuncle

It'd also be very silly to quit for something that doesn't affect you at all in-game.

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It doesn't affect you, clearly. But it affects the rest of us. I have to ask, did you at least read the recent pages?
Things that available only in the cash shop and not in game affect everyone. It is not a simple "if you don't like it don't use it" because it's something that we don't get anymore that would have been in the game. Where our monthly subscription fee would have allowed us to obtain these items through playing the game we no longer can and can only get them through paying more money.
Clearly vanity items to you mean nothing and everyone else shouldn't care about them either because the core of the game is still there and it's not pay to win.
But the way you play =/= everyone else's. Many people play to collect these things and to do everything BUT fight in dungeons or do raids or get gear.

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Originally Posted by Erepio

xept for the sad truth that a) forum is the minority of the player base
b) the ppl that are against it will most prolly be running around on a Sleipnir soon as its out

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Forum= The voice of concern. If they get rid of them, there will be no voice for SE to hear ( Feedback). They will do well to not lose the voice.