Chocobo dyeing R&D Thread - Post your results here!

So basically, we need a bunch of people willing to feed fruit to their birds 1 or 2 at a time?

also anyone know how to tell when your chocobo is done? because there's a possibility choco feed could lower time at least i can hope.

I used 15 O'Ghomoro Berries, 8 Xelphatol Apple, and 8 Mamook Pear. I got "Lilac Purple." Trying for rolanberry and wanted to see what half of what was recorded would be.

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Originally Posted by Fadingblackroze

in my stable that was good condition i had a person get the message with one and two with three so stable conditions doesn't seem to matter as i can tell post a few pages back says hoe at certain time you can add colors and it doesn't say plumage will change so it must be when it says this that you aquire a new color. it seems to be alot like the custom font RGB thing you can get many colors with different number it may be that people are going over color limit and going back down to like 22 and stuff or that they are getting 1,1,1,1 so they are to low

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Yeah but did they start from the same color? If possible I'd try resetting it to the baseline and testing the same fruit for Good/Fair conditions to see if there's any difference.

I fed mine in two sessions, but I'd imagine you could do it all in one shot and get the same result. Here's what I did:

• O'Gho Berry x 5 >> Ul Brown
• Doman Plum x8, O'Gho Berry x6

And I pretty much landed on the exact colour I wanted! Here it is, Sky Blue:

http://i.imgur.com/OzQzT8N.png

that's what im doing now i have 6 people so far with different numbers of red and yes it seems that way tell we get a scale then we can do two colors then three colors.
like this

light red light green light blue
"unknown color" "unknown color"
red green blue
"unknown color" "unknown color"
dark red dark green dark blue
"all three scale"
"red and blue scale"

the other way is maybe if we can use the custom font and figure it out like that which could take less so we need number for that rounded kind of like the current chart but closer to the colors they are a bit off number wise the difference is white and black they might be the opposite of the rgb scale. also we need someone to try and confirm them which would be easier but lots of math and the colors need to be as close as possible since the scale is 1 - 3 but that means colors cant be skipped. which is good

yes they were same color its was the first time we did it i reset mine just to be sure it is confirmed they should be done soon with an hour or two.

Well when I first fed mine I gave it 5 plums.
The first said plumage will change in 6 hours, which I think it always says.
The 2nd and 3rd just said devoured.
The 4th and 5th both said new feathers are growing!
Result was Sylph green.

From Sylph green I have fed 2 pineapples.
First said plumage will change in 6 hours.
2nd said new feathers are growing.
Will post results later.

considering there are 86 colors it shouldn't be to hard but there might be other colors not on armor dye list or some they cant change to.

if im right then to copy kaelahs sylph green you just need it to say the feathers are changing 3 times which can take 3 fruit or more anyone willing to test it will please do just have it say the feather change 3 times with plums only. the numbers are unknown but it most likely 3 since i fed mine 3 before it said anything which if its 3 it stops you from skipping colors. Which im thankful for if this 4 or more i think you can skip colors because of rng.
seems im at daily limit for posts. My chocobo was fed 3 before it read message i did not record how many i got after but in total i feed it 6 apples. its current color is Millioncorn yellow. then i fed it 7 more apples before i got the message which means that the changes are based on the plumage message. but that also means that it can take more then 3 fruit to go up a tier i will post color changes as i add more red i will continue tell i can no longer change its color.to get all the red colors for it* and my friends chocobos colors as well.

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Originally Posted by Fadingblackroze

if im right then to copy kaelahs sylph green you just need it to say the feathers are changing 3 times which can take 3 fruit or more anyone willing to test it will please do just have it say the feather change 3 times with plums only. the numbers are unknown but it most likely 3 since i fed mine 3 before it said anything which if its 3 it stops you from skipping colors. Which im thankful for if this 4 or more i think you can skip colors because of rng.

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I can add additional data for this using three additional birds.

My Personal Bird
Rank 8 Chocobo
Fed 5 Doman Plums before receiving the "<name> is beginning to grow new feathers!" message.
Result: Sylph Green

Bird #2
Rank 9 Chocobo
5 Doman Plums before receiving the "<name> is beginning to grow new feathers!" message.
Result: Sylph Green

Bird #3
Rank 8 Chocobo
4 Doman Plums before receiving the "<name> is beginning to grow new feathers!" message, 5th Doman Plum also got him the message.
Result: Sylph Green

I don't know what color Bird #3 would have been if he'd only been fed 4 plums. I also want to add that after my bird was turned Sylph Green, I fed him apples to attempt to return him to Desert Yellow, it took only one apple to do so. I am attempting the same experiment with an FCmate's bird using the Pears and Valefruit.

I obtained an Aldgoat brown color by feeding my chocobo just 8 O'Ghomoro Berrys

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Originally Posted by Budukai

I used 15 O'Ghomoro Berries, 8 Xelphatol Apple, and 8 Mamook Pear. I got "Lilac Purple." Trying for rolanberry and wanted to see what half of what was recorded would be.

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15 / 5 / 5 got the same result. Lilac Purple. I fed another 2 / 2 / 2 after that before I went to sleep -> I'll be checking my Chocobo @ Lunch to see the result.

My Goal is Soot Black, I think @ Lilac Purple most of the RGB Values are likely close to each other since it seems fairly dark, now I need to keep an even spread of fruits and see what I get.

I did the same thing as kaelah last night.
1st 6hr feeding - all plums
1st feed - plumage will change in 6hrs
2nd,3rd & 4th feed - just said devoured
5th feed - new feathers growing
after 6hrs Result was sylph green :(

started 2nd 6hr feeding was only valfruit
1st feed - plumage will change in 6hrs
2nd & 3rd feed - just said devoured
4th feed - growing new feathers.
wont see result till I get home will edit post then.

Oh nice, so I'm thinking of giving mine 2 more apples and 2 valfruit to suck out the green. At work, but glad the weekend is here for experiments.

7 berries, 9 apples, 20 pears

Fed berries first but all in one 6 hour set.

Result: Lime Green

Here's my theory:

-each fruit can have negative and positive values in the RGB scale.
-The condition of the stable affects said values.
-The message new plumage message will show when the value is enough to change from one color to another, and will be showing every time if you keep feeding the same fruit.
-If after receiving the message you feed it another kind of fruit it will only appear again when the value is enough to change the result of the first feed, but keeping it's progression.

Negative (-) means going to 0, positive (+) means going to 255.

Xephatol apple: R(+?), G-, B-
Doman PLum: R(-?), G(-?), B+
Mamook Pear: R-, G(+?), B-
Valfruit: R+, G=, B+
O'Ghomoro Berries: R-, G-, B(+?)
Cieldalaes Pineapple: this one is giving me problems but if i have to describe it i would say R+, G+, B(-?)

So guys how do you check remaining time without having to feed more?
I just fed mine another pineapple to see the timer. (1 hour 42).
It gave me the new feather message again. Gah, was kinda hoping it wouldn't cuz I wanted to see if just 1 new feather message would change it.

Ahh I see where now.

Has anybody got a link to this spreadsheet that I have seen mentioned? This thread has about 50 new pages since the last time I checked it and I haven't got time to check them all :D

Congrats on your Chocobo's guys, they look great.

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Originally Posted by BristolRuss

Has anybody got a link to this spreadsheet that I have seen mentioned? This thread has about 50 new pages since the last time I checked it and I haven't got time to check them all :D

Congrats on your Chocobo's guys, they look great.

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Here it is. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...view?sle=true#

I don't know if it has been said before, but rather than the number of fruits, it would be way more accurate to note the number of color changes that occur and in which order they occur. Example totally made of as I have no house nor money :


desert yellow => dark blue +2, dark green +1, light red +1, dark blue +1, light red +1 => othard blue

(this is totally made up and most probably wrong. It's just to put an example for what I'm talking about)

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Originally Posted by AmalahRose

Here it is. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...view?sle=true#

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Everyone needs to stop using this... it doesn't give the same results... a new spreadsheet needs to be created with the correct data.
(gets frustrated that people keep giving out bad info)

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Originally Posted by Renik

Here's my theory:

-each fruit can have negative and positive values in the RGB scale.
-The condition of the stable affects said values.
-The message new plumage message will show when the value is enough to change from one color to another, and will be showing every time if you keep feeding the same fruit.
-If after receiving the message you feed it another kind of fruit it will only appear again when the value is enough to change the result of the first feed, but keeping it's progression.


Negative (-) means going to 0, positive (+) means going to 255.

Xephatol apple: R(+?), G-, B-
Doman PLum: R(-?), G(-?), B+
Mamook Pear: R-, G(+?), B-
Valfruit: R+, G=, B+
O'Ghomoro Berries: R-, G-, B(+?)
Cieldalaes Pineapple: this one is giving me problems but if i have to describe it i would say R+, G+, B(-?)

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Not sure since folks are using the exact same food combination and getting drastically different results. For example, people who have gotten Millioncorn Yellow using just apples have used 2, 4 and 10. It is possible, but unlikely, that we got the same number of 'proc' messages, but which is it? The "plumage will change" message or the "beginning to grow new feathers" message? I would guess that one of those is just an update message of sorts, not sure. With my one feeding, I got 3 plumage messages and 2 feathers messages. What we need is someone who got only the "plumage will change" message without the "feathers" message (if that is even possible) to see if color change happened.

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Originally Posted by Kenseto

Snow White
15 Plums, 6 Pineapples, 12 Valfruit
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4...psae2d3cfe.png

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Would it be ok to know what order you fed the fruit in and if you know how many times it said "growing new feathers"?

Thank you :)

It would be nice if we could get the OP to update the original post with some links to some of the resources available and keep the original post updated as we progress.

I'm also tempted to start a new thread myself to set up more organized experimentation. Would anyone be interested if I did that?

You have to use a Carob Nut when raising the blue or green chocobos to get a black chocobo. D'ah! -_-

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...ck_Chocobo.png

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Originally Posted by Percyphanie

Everyone needs to stop using this... it doesn't give the same results... a new spreadsheet needs to be created with the correct data.
(gets frustrated that people keep giving out bad info)

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Counting food is easy and many thought this was the only important info. Now, the thought that all a person needs to get a certain color is the right number of certain fruits is like a fast moving train that can't be stopped... :/

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Originally Posted by Jayne422

It would be nice if we could get the OP to update the original post with some links to some of the resources available and keep the original post updated as we progress.

I'm also tempted to start a new thread myself to set up more organized experimentation. Would anyone be interested if I did that?

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Problem is that some of the resources aren't as useful as they once were. It's not just using the right food count...

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Originally Posted by kosui

Fed mine with 22 Doman Plum and 7 Valfruits for science. Got the color (Ice Blue) i wanted, i think im lucky o.o
http://i.imgur.com/blrpS1R.jpg

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Thank you for this! I tried this recipe, and achieved Sky Blue. Seems to be some RNG involved in the process.
From here, if one were to try for Ice Blue, I assume you would need to remove Red and Green. I'll try to adjust it and post my results here. For now, below is my image of Sky Blue.

http://i.imgur.com/aO8qWxs.jpg

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Originally Posted by Sadana

Not sure since folks are using the exact same food combination and getting drastically different results. For example, people who have gotten Millioncorn Yellow using just apples have used 2, 4 and 10. It is possible, but unlikely, that we got the same number of 'proc' messages, but which is it? The "plumage will change" message or the "beginning to grow new feathers" message? I would guess that one of those is just an update message of sorts, not sure. With my one feeding, I got 3 plumage messages and 2 feathers messages. What we need is someone who got only the "plumage will change" message without the "feathers" message (if that is even possible) to see if color change happened.

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Following my theory if you only get the message "plumage will change" it would modify the RGB values but w/o being enough to change to another color, yes it would have effect, the choco would have a different value from the initial one, but it would not change the color because the system would round it to the closer one, the initial value before the feeding.

Edit: forgot something, there are 2 reasons to get different results with the same combinations, stable condition, and RNG, or a mix of both.

This time I fed 6 berries and 2 pears and got the feather changing message each time with the result being Aldgoat Brown. So the total over all is up to 16 berries, 10 pineapples, and 2 pears with messages for 11 berries, 2 pineapples, and 2 pears. This time I added 10 plums to move away from red so we will see in 6 hours if I have a more blue / green mix.

So after two feeding sessions im more confused then anything. First I fed 8 Mamook Pears, resulting in a single feather message. The result ended up as Cream Yellow, which is a lighter color then Desert Yellow. Seemingly opposite of what the pears should do.

Second go around I fed it 12 more Mamook Pears, with only a single feather message. This resulted in Lime Green, which is pulling all the values down below what they were to begin with. This is what I thought the pears would do initially.

For the sake of science i'm going to keep repeatedly feeding Mamook Pears till I stop getting messages/no color changes from a single fruit type to see if that can be ruled out. But my results so far make very little sense, considering the 'Darkens Green' fruit resulted in both a lighter and darker shade in two seperate sessions.

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Originally Posted by Renik

Following my theory if you only get the message "plumage will change" it would modify the RGB values but w/o being enough to change to another color, yes it would have effect, the choco would have a different value from the initial one, but it would not change the color because the system would round it to the closer one, the initial value before the feeding.

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I see... hmm. So we need 2 or more people to feed the same number of the same fruit, count messages, and see if they get the same number of messages / same results?

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Originally Posted by blueruckus

Abyssal Blue: http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...aldgoat_brown/

My first session was: 3 berries, 1 pear, 1 apple to get Aldgoat Brown
Second session: 20 berries, 10 pears, 8 apples to get Abyssal Blue
My current session I believe will yield me Soot Black, time to wait another 6 hours.

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I wanted Abyssal Blue so I fed these totals but all in one feeding and got Plum Purple.
Have added 11 Plums to increase Cyan and see where that gets me.

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Originally Posted by Percyphanie

Everyone needs to stop using this... it doesn't give the same results... a new spreadsheet needs to be created with the correct data.
(gets frustrated that people keep giving out bad info)

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He asked I gave. Even though there have been some differences in results it could still get him to the colour he wants or at least close to it. At this point it's better than nothing for some of us.

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Originally Posted by Sadana

I see... hmm. So we need 2 or more people to feed the same number of the same fruit, count messages, and see if they get the same number of messages / same results?

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It would help to have them do it with different stable conditions and starting from the same color ( value), after feeding a han lemon.

Theories are made to be broken so i hope someone can destroy mine, it would be a big step.

That chart is definitely not to be believed to some extent.

I've currently colored my chocobo to Lavender Purple after two sessions:

Session #1

* Fed Bird 10 O'Ghomoro Berries and received the "starts to grow new feathers" message 7 times.
* This session gave me a Shale Brown Chocobo.

Session #2

* Fed Bird 10 more O'Ghomoro Berries and received the "starts to grow new feathers" message 10 times.
* This session gave me a Lavender Purple (Blue) Chocobo.



http://s11.postimg.org/4kbea12m9/ffx...014_085233.png

http://s8.postimg.org/st18p00ar/ffxi...014_085609.png

There's no reason for the the two people who reported getting Raptor Blue and Othard Blue from 21 O'Ghomoro Berries only to lie. So some form of RNG is definitely involved. It's interesting to note that three people who reported in after 12 and 11 O'Ghomoro Berry feeds got Goobbue Grey, Gobbiebag Brown and Lilac Purple respectively. If you include the Shale Brown from my first session it would seem that just feeding a couple of Berries alone brings the color down the light grey/brown scale, if there is one.

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Originally Posted by Renik

It would help to have them do it with different stable conditions and starting from the same color ( value), after feeding a han lemon.

Theories are made to be broken so i hope someone can destroy mine, it would be a big step.

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yea a new thread should probably be started for the experiment

Oh if i'm right the number of messages doesn't matter if you keep feeding the same fruit, because the system would show it again with every feed, so we can't know when a feed of the same fruit is getting the chocobo to a new tier of color after the first message.

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Originally Posted by Renik

It would help to have them do it with different stable conditions and starting from the same color ( value), after feeding a han lemon.

Theories are made to be broken so i hope someone can destroy mine, it would be a big step.

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It has already been posted that stable condition probably doesn't have an effect. Someone posted that a few from the same FC got different results with the same feedings. Of course, I need to go FIND that post... XDDDD

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Originally Posted by Renik

Oh if i'm right the number of messages doesn't matter if you keep feeding the same fruit, because the system would show it again with every feed, so we can't know when a feed of the same fruit is getting the chocobo to a new tier of color after the first message.

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How so? I didn't get a message with every apple I fed my bird. I got:
1. plumage message
2. nothing
3. feathers & plumage
4. feathers & plumage

Unless you mean after the first feathers message? Hmm. I'd just like to figure out the fewest number of fruit needed to turn the bird a certain color. :) Especially while fruit prices are so high...