So uh, wheres the long lasting content?

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Originally Posted by pikalovr

the point was that people eat through content so fast that it was impossible to keep something long lasting. hence why i brought up a FIFTEEN year old game that still tops steam charts today. genre literally doesn't matter if you paid attention to what the main argument is. if a multiplayer shooter game can do that for 15 years surely devs can make content that last at least a year for an MMO. hell we've already gotten close with bozja and eureka

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Comparing the longevity of a pvp game to a pve game is absolutely hilarious. PvP games tend to be competitive even in a casual setting and because you're playing people and not AI the game is different every match. As long as the game has a fair amount of maps and game modes you don't need a constant stream of content. Its completely different from the repetitive and progression style of pve. Eventually you just run out of things to do and its simply inevitable. No developer will ever be able to keep up with player demands in that regard and its been an issue forever for MMO's and the alternative of super grindy content the demands you to log in every day is not exactly popular. And if I recall correctly, eureka was not popular at all when it first came out. Most players hated it...and forget about that mess that was diadem. There's a reason they changed their approach to content.

THIS. WAS. A. MINOR. PATCH.

We normally don't get any quests for in between patches. Getting any quests at all are just bonus.

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Originally Posted by SeverianLyonesse

THIS. WAS. A. MINOR. PATCH.

We normally don't get any quests for in between patches. Getting any quests at all are just bonus.

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No. Those are quests we should have gotten in 6.1. That's not what you call "bonus".

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

I love how you’re another example of what people have been saying in here. “HAVE YOU DONE X Y Z?!?!” which is really just the illusion of a meaningful grind but in reality you get very little for actually doing it. No offense but i want to be rewarded for my time. As for jobs, i don’t want to play gutted and simplified jobs. Maybe when SE decides to actually fix them and give attention to them i’d give them a try. I don’t understand how asking for more long lasting content and a better mid-core/endgame warrants “but did you do these super meaningless tasks from 3-4 expansions ago?!” I’m talking about this expansion, endwalker, the one i paid for recently.

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I simply asked if you've done all of this stuff. I guess by your reaction to such a simple question, the answer is a long-winded No.
And its unfortunate you feel that way about all of this other content, some of them give some good rewards...but I guess nothing you want.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

I simply asked if you've done all of this stuff. I guess by your reaction to such a simple question, the answer is a long-winded No.
And its unfortunate you feel that way about all of this other content, some of them give some good rewards...but I guess nothing you want.

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Correction, it’s nothing i want that’s worth the time. I adore grinds, i absolutely adored eureka because it rewarded the time i invested in it. 90% of what you did does NOT. What reward does sightseeing give? Or jump puzzles. Or getting all titles, or clearing hoh/potd?

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Correction, it’s nothing i want that’s worth the time. I adore grinds, i absolutely adored eureka because it rewarded the time i invested in it. 90% of what you did does NOT. What reward does sightseeing give? Or jump puzzles. Or getting all titles, or clearing hoh/potd?

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Always have to include that. I have to always reiterate *quality* content or "content I am interested in". Sure, there's some other things we could do, but would I want to? No. I'd like to see some actually enjoyable content, that lasts awhile - something you would want to keep doing, or have a reason to keep doing. A lot of the content in this game is just simply not worth it. Not only incredibly grindy and/or unfun, but rewards you with little to nothing.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Comparing the longevity of a pvp game to a pve game is absolutely hilarious. PvP games tend to be competitive even in a casual setting and because you're playing people and not AI the game is different every match. As long as the game has a fair amount of maps and game modes you don't need a constant stream of content. Its completely different from the repetitive and progression style of pve. Eventually you just run out of things to do and its simply inevitable. No developer will ever be able to keep up with player demands in that regard and its been an issue forever for MMO's and the alternative of super grindy content the demands you to log in every day is not exactly popular. And if I recall correctly, eureka was not popular at all when it first came out. Most players hated it...and forget about that mess that was diadem. There's a reason they changed their approach to content.

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*looks at halo infinite* yeah ok bud it's so easy to keep a shooter alive. if you think you can just throw in a few maps and game modes and have a game that is still widely praised today (aside from some things that are honestly on the devs like bots, no support, or major updates etc...). and still retains a good playerbase/community then you're honestly nuts and know nothing of how to actually keep player retention.

wow eureka wasn't liked on launch and they learned from it and dropped a good piece of side content bozja. it's almost as if instead of just going oh this thing failed let's ignore it. you work on it and figure out how to make it better. thats what people expect from games that say they want to go on for 10 more years innovation, evolving gameplay, not basically the same content cycle but somehow taking longer inbetween each patch. and let's bring up island sanctuary. which is seen as an upgrade to housing (even tho it's more limited). it'll most likely just be the gardening system on a slightly bigger scale. and they already have a breeding system in place with chocobos that they would just have to tweak for animal breeding if they included it. it's prolly a farmland in the sky is all and will see mostly reused assets and systems the only really new things will be rendering multiple minions at once. and like i said animals and a bigger gardening system. we'd be lucky if we could put outdoors furnishings there. but i think they wouldn't hold that from us

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Originally Posted by pikalovr

*looks at halo infinite* yeah ok bud it's so easy to keep a shooter alive. if you think you can just throw in a few maps and game modes and have a game that is still widely praised today (aside from some things that are honestly on the devs like bots, no support, or major updates etc...). and still retains a good playerbase/community then you're honestly nuts and know nothing of how to actually keep player retention.

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You could... like ten or fifteen years ago, but not really anymore. There are too many other options to play. A game has to really set itself apart from others in today's market to maintain a good playerbase.

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Originally Posted by SeverianLyonesse

THIS. WAS. A. MINOR. PATCH.

We normally don't get any quests for in between patches. Getting any quests at all are just bonus.

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3.15 had scholasticate and anima.

4.15 had bard perform and and Rival Wings

5.15 had Blu mage updates and Onsal Hakair

but hey at least we got some super cool time-gated text boxes in 6.15.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Correction, it’s nothing i want that’s worth the time. I adore grinds, i absolutely adored eureka because it rewarded the time i invested in it. 90% of what you did does NOT. What reward does sightseeing give? Or jump puzzles. Or getting all titles, or clearing hoh/potd?

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Personal Achievements.....which is literally a Reward that is worth your time.
And its Variety, I like collecting Titles, getting mounts and doing different activities and expanding the FFXIV world, there is more to do then the same old Grind. But hey, thats what you Want and deam worth your time.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Always have to include that. I have to always reiterate *quality* content or "content I am interested in". Sure, there's some other things we could do, but would I want to? No. I'd like to see some actually enjoyable content, that lasts awhile - something you would want to keep doing, or have a reason to keep doing. A lot of the content in this game is just simply not worth it. Not only incredibly grindy and/or unfun, but rewards you with little to nothing.

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Always subjective. Everyone has different takes on Quality or what is worth doing.
Nothing wrong with that.