Please grow the MMO part of the game. End game is lousy.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

Hahahaha. Nice one. Having played from Burning Crusade through Battle for Azeroth, I can pretty much guarantee that WoW went too far down the soloable route in, um, 2004, when it released. I got extremely good at leveling alt characters classes over those ten years.

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Not to mention WoW and EQII came out nearly the same time and a key part of the marketing for both was how you had content that was completely solo where you could progress without the group-required design games like EverQuest had. So yeah, those games always had a solo avenue in mind. EQII had solo, group, and raid content. You hit a ceiling as a solo player where you had to segue into group content and then solo and group players hit a ceiling where they had to segue into raid content. Part of the reason I eventually left EQII was they started listening to the raid players who complained the solo and group content was too easy for them so they made it harder, putting it out of the reach of those who focused on that content. And they started putting in less and less for the solo questlines, so you hit that ceiling sooner because those who did raid content wanted more of it. I see similar arguments around these forums, and I've been grateful that the developers remain focused on their ideas of what this game is and what it isn't and work to have something for us all to enjoy.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

There's always going to be those disappointed because they've decided things should be a certain way instead of exploring and adapting to what the developers have created.

Quality is going to be subjective when not every player wants the same thing out of the game. Above all else, we need to remember that this is a Final Fantasy game and they're going to try to keep it true to what the Final Fantasy franchise is about. I'll admit I find it annoying on occasion (I strongly dislike easter eggs and homages to other games because I see it as lazy game design replacing originality) but I'm also willing to adapt as long as I still find the overall experience enjoyable.

If you're not enjoying a game, sometimes it's best to cut ties and devote your time to another game that is providing what you're looking for. That's what I ended up doing with WoW when all the systems changes over the years left the game less than enjoyable. It was hard to make the break but once I did, I felt better for it. It's still fun to occasionally check in to see what WoW is up to ( I still think about friends I left behind and hope they're finding enjoyment there) but any desire to invest time in WoW as a player has completely disappeared.

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Well it's also why people become vocal about expressing their fears before it goes down in that direction. Quitting is ultimately an option, and probably a healthy one if the game fails to give you what you want out of it, but sometimes the hope is that the developers will avoid going down a route that makes that necessary in the first place.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

The problem is, time and resources. Them spending time and resources on past content means we’re going to be seeing less new content in exchange. That’s how it’s always worked so everyone is affected.

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This is true, but I think getting the trust system "engine" in a more robust state is a worthwhile endeavor. Not only will it secure the game's play-ability long-term, but it will hopefully allow for the AI to be robust enough not to require tweaking for each individual dungeon. Again, ideally, this might mean less time wasting on AI fiddling for each individual instance.

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Originally Posted by JudgeRAW

I'm ok with them making soloing MSQ content a thing, but it should also come with more robust MMO-style activities particularly battle content. Right now its basically just raiding. I love raiding but I want something else to do when I'm not progging or reclearing fights every week.

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Deep dungeon.
Three 'Criterion' dungeons.
Ultimate and Unreal trials.
A new PvP mode.

There you go.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

Deep dungeon.
Three 'Criterion' dungeons.
Ultimate and Unreal trials.
A new PvP mode.

There you go.

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He said something other than raiding. Ultimates and Unreal trials are still just…raiding,progging,recreating fights lol. In the case of unreal trials they are quite literally just reused fights that people have already done

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

He said something other than raiding. Ultimates and Unreal trials are still just…raiding,progging,recreating fights lol. In the case of unreal trials they are quite literally just reused fights that people have already done

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What then?
FATE farming (well, would be nice for FATEs to be a bit more fun to grind to be honest)?
Hunts?
Treasure dungeons?
More Bozja/Eureka?

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

Deep dungeon.
Three 'Criterion' dungeons.
Ultimate and Unreal trials.
A new PvP mode.

There you go.

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And even in this new content, healers won't be requiered. Criterion will probably have a lost action system, and iirc, healers will be nerfed into oblivion in their new pvp mode.
Ultimate is for less than 1%, and unreal is just old content.
I don't do deep dungeon but I think the holy trinity isn't needed there?

So if you're a healer like me, and many others, 6.1+ will have absolutely nothing interesting/new to offer.

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Originally Posted by Garnix

What then?
FATE farming (well, would be nice for FATEs to be a bit more fun to grind to be honest)?
Hunts?
Treasure dungeons?
More Bozja/Eureka?

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Well that’s the whole argument i’d imagine. Add something new to endgame that isn’t raiding and isn’t a boring snooze fest that hunt trains are. Same with Fates. Map dungeons are fun but unless you’re buying mass amounts you’re limited to 1 per day. Bozja/Eureka equivalent would be nice but if it follows ShB’s trend that won’t be until 6.35…aka more than a year after the games release.

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Originally Posted by Novae

And even in this new content, healers won't be requiered. Criterion will probably have a lost action system, and iirc, healers will be nerfed into oblivion in their new pvp mode.
Ultimate is for less than 1%, and unreal is just old content.
I don't do deep dungeon but I think the holy trinity isn't needed there?

So if you're a healer like me, and many others, 6.1+ will have absolutely nothing interesting/new to offer.

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Yep, and honestly this is what kills me about their recent solo game decision. If theyre going to be working towards making the game effectively a soloable game, then why is there the need to dumb down the healers and not give them more dps options? If people can solo things now theres no excuse to cater to the casual players who cant press more than 2 buttons. It's such weird logic and the fact yoshi p handwaved all of the healer concerns shows how much he doesnt care.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

He said something other than raiding. Ultimates and Unreal trials are still just…raiding,progging,recreating fights lol. In the case of unreal trials they are quite literally just reused fights that people have already done

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If Ultimate is just another raid then any other new battle content in this game will just be a variation of dungeons, trials, raid, fate, pvp, solo instances.
So what would you consider "new" battle contents then?

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Originally Posted by JudgeRAW

Some of us DO want something to grind, though. Thats what was so good about Eureka. It was completely optional and was a place to go in and just grind away til your hearts content. In FFXIV there is currently very little to do that unless you just FATE grind. At the very least they could update FATEs to include things like Critical Engagements like Bozja had. A couple raid boss-type encounters in every zone would go a long way to freshening things up.

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That's the thing though. I want something to grind too. Just not the same boring FATE grind they keep reintroducing. Critical Engagements did help elevate Bozja but it still largely focused on FATEs for the umpteenth time. My bigger complaint though is why they wait so damn long to introduce the relic. We're likely not getting it until 6.25, which won't release until roughly October. And that may be another pointless "here's your relic for 1,000 poetics" step. EW will have been out for almost an entire year and we're only just starting the relic. It always seems so backwards to me how the biggest grind this game has is backloaded.