Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

This is all so incredibly disappointing, yeah is great that they're adding the missing genders but this live letter seems really dry, they talked about stuff for like 20 minutes and now is mostly insight on the development of the story. I fear they will not even talk about this issue ever, if we get new hairstyles or not is something that we will just discover once they release the benchmark a month before the expansion. How tiresome.

There is still the Q&A later today if they don't say anything about it in the live letter.

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Originally Posted by Tyssyn

There is still the Q&A later today if they don't say anything about it in the live letter.

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They may just filter out any questions in respect with Hroth and Viera

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Originally Posted by Aurwenn

They may just filter out any questions in respect with Hroth and Viera

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They could, but I am hoping they don't.

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Originally Posted by Aurwenn

They may just filter out any questions in respect with Hroth and Viera

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Maybe. Still, I'm surprised they had the stones to release male Viera and confirm female Hrothgar in one sitting. As far as I'm concerned, very little is off the table and I think it is time to expect the unexpected. lol

i believe if they won't say anything about the hairstyle issue in the q&a today it means no new hairstyles for Viera , and male viera will be as restricted . part of me still hopeful though

I think they are just sweeping it under the rug and won't address it.

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Originally Posted by lalin

i believe if they won't say anything about the hairstyle issue in the q&a today it means no new hairstyles for Viera , and male viera will be as restricted . part of me still hopeful though

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It'd be nice if nothing else, they'd allow female Viera to use male Vieras hairstyles.

Some of those seen in the reveal trailer look pretty nice.

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Originally Posted by Anzaman

It'd be nice if nothing else, they'd allow female Viera to use male Vieras hairstyles.

Some of those seen in the reveal trailer look pretty nice.

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yes ! honestly any addition would be nice even if they gave us 1 hairstyle .. or even if they told us we won't be getting any new hairstyles at all , it's still better than waiting for the unknown .

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Well looks like its 5.55 and not 6.0. I guess we have to wait for future letters that deal with the xpac. I was hoping we'd see stuff tonight but doesn't look like it's not going to happen sadly.

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https://media1.tenor.com/images/4da0...temid=12624807

I had a feeling we wouldn't see anything. Gotta strap in for the long haul.. I wonder if the other races will get new hair as rewards leading to 6.0..

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Originally Posted by lalin

i believe if they won't say anything about the hairstyle issue in the q&a today it means no new hairstyles for Viera , and male viera will be as restricted . part of me still hopeful though

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It's a given that male viera will be just as restricted really. :(

Live Q & A are up and they're asking such...boring questions...Someone may have had the right of it with whoever was filtering these questions strictly filtered out questions that were centered around Hrothgar and Viera

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Originally Posted by Akimori

Live Q & A are up and they're asking such...boring questions...Someone may have had the right of it with whoever was filtering these questions strictly filtered out questions that were centered around Hrothgar and Viera

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Haha, 9 minutes late and 10 minutes spent on the first question about the meaning behind each expansion name.

Pretty sure they only selected the softball questions, and anybody going off script could probably risk getting banned since you had to submit your account information beforehand.

As i said a few hours ago i think even if they do add new hairstyles they're not even gonna announce it, it may not even register as something worthwhile of announcement from their part. We may have to wait until the benchmark to see if they added anything to the CC

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Originally Posted by Aurwenn

As i said a few hours ago i think even if they do add new hairstyles they're not even gonna announce it, it may not even register as something worthwhile of announcement from their part. We may have to wait until the benchmark to see if they added anything to the CC

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Even if that end up being the case, I'd like to at least be able to change my hair without buying a Fantasia.

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Originally Posted by Aurwenn

As i said a few hours ago i think even if they do add new hairstyles they're not even gonna announce it, it may not even register as something worthwhile of announcement from their part. We may have to wait until the benchmark to see if they added anything to the CC

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An announcement: Hrothgars no longer having to dish out IRL $$$ to change their hairstyle to the second hairstyle is actually quite the announcement because thats a really big elephant in the room....

Yep, nothing guess i'll just fantasia until november

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I wonder if the other races will get new hair as rewards leading to 6.0..

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You know they will. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Yencat

You know they will. :rolleyes:

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100%. It's depressing. Viera is the race for Rhana. I can't change her, because then she wouldn't be the WoL any more. I just want her to have something different.

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Originally Posted by Chie_M

100%. It's depressing. Viera is the race for Rhana. I can't change her, because then she wouldn't be the WoL any more. I just want her to have something different.

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I'm pretty numb to it by now, but it's still disappointing.

When they asked us to "please wait a little bit longer" they cited (surprise!) resources as the reason it's taking longer, shame our hairstyles don't seem to grow in the cabbage patch out back like the hairstyles for everyone else do. :rolleyes:

Anyone know when the next live letter might be to discuss expansion stuff? We have 6 months and I can understand they want to hold some things for later events. i know most of us were hoping for more 6.0 last night but alas wasn't to be.

i'm still somewhat optimistic we'll get something but they sure don't understand how many of us have waited for news and keeping that for potentially later is just sad. Throw us a bone already.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

i'm still somewhat optimistic we'll get something but they sure don't understand how many of us have waited for news and keeping that for potentially later is just sad. Throw us a bone already.

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It's already being spun as being a good thing to first release male Viera and female Hrothgar and then add something. In the big picture it might look good, but for people who play Viera and Hrothgar now the reality is that we might be looking at 4+ years by that time. I don't think that's a good thing at all.

But I admire your optimism and hope you're right. :)

I'm quite sure that we will probably get something at some point in 6.x for viera, as they would want to boost fantasia sales and viera numbers with male viera released, and as for hrotgar I'm kind of optimistic the same will happen with female hrot's release sometime in the future, what Im really surprised about is that in the QnA no one asked about it, wonder if they'll do so in an interview

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Originally Posted by zeylos

what Im really surprised about is that in the QnA no one asked about it, wonder if they'll do so in an interview

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Of course someone asked, they just don't seem to want to talk about it so they didn't choose that question to answer.

i have a male Hrothgar who is like level 75 and in Greatwood who hasn't been getting much love lately just been to busy with my other alts. I have way too many of them. i'm considering a fantasia pot for him when male viera arrive just to have fun with them. I really want to see what the female hroth's are going to look like and hope at least we'll get some artwork or models for them before 6.0. Maybe an in game NPC.

wow ...no mention of female viera at all !, this is ridiculous
why would you even bother making male viera when it's going to be restricted ...
on the other hand i am sure these few coming days they will be making so much profit out of all the fantasias viera/hrothgar players will be buying :o

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Is that a max or minimum height fem viera?

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We don't know.
That said, the guy's knees when it stands next to the bed seem to be on about the same height as my character's, who's 160cm tall, making Viera from Ishgard inn about 160-165 cm tall. I wouldn't make any conclusions from that as it's a trailer and it's hard to judge even when trying to get same angles since it's not guaranteed that assets in trailer are accurate, but there is a chance that male Viera will be shorter than females or same height as they are.

There's also this comparison, which still isn't 100% indicative but... yep.
https://mobile.twitter.com/IllyXIV/s...42367152168962

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Originally Posted by Moonsprite

I must not see many max height male miqote. Most the ones I run into are pretty small. I thought the main reason people wanted male viera was to have a tall elegant male option that wasn’t elezen or Au Ra, not to create another version of male miqote. I remember people being upset because many people wanted female viera to be smaller or have a smaller version available. The argument was, these players that wanted smaller viera, should just play miqote because viera are meant to only be tall. After all that to have male viera be miqote size isn’t right or fair to the people who wanted smaller female viera.

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Most people here know viera lore would dictate that viera males be smaller than females - just like bunnies IRL.

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Originally Posted by Moonsprite

Not short. I don’t like the option to be mid height denied and given to male viera when it was specifically asked for viera females and denied. I happen to play tall characters like night elves in WoW and Altmer in ESO. I also hate the difference between Au Ra male and female. Why repeat the same mistakes. It’s irritating.

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Not everyone views the au ra height difference as a mistake. I found that many people's problem with female au ra isn't necessarily the height all the time, it's that they just don't look fierce. The men do and in the concept art of the women they also did. But in the final product the men remained looking fierce and the women...look mostly harmless, lol. It's not just their height, it's their demeanor and their faces. Only one face could qualify as fierce, which is a shame.

I actually like that there are races with more obvious sexual dimorphism than just "here is the same thing but a bit shorter/taller". I would like if the female au ra looked less gentle but their height doesn't bother me much. And if male viera do turn out to be noticeably shorter than the women I'll be fine with it.

As for the live letter...

Well SE had said the expansion would come in in Fall, so I expected it to be a lot sooner than the latter half of November so with this in mind it's not surprising that not a lot about the expansion was revealed which means...gotta wait even longer to hear about any updates relating to the new races. Sigh. Well at least we have male viera and hrothgar ladies confirmed so that has given me a spark of hope that something will be done about the head customisation restrictions.

Disappointed that nothing was said about hair, but I am excited for male viera so it's not as bad as it could have been.

I actually had a dream last night about switching back to my veena, and then getting annoyed about the hair situation. Old habits..

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Originally Posted by Yencat

You know they will. :rolleyes:

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Yep.. :(

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Originally Posted by Chie_M

100%. It's depressing. Viera is the race for Rhana. I can't change her, because then she wouldn't be the WoL any more. I just want her to have something different.

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I really do want to switch back, but reality kicks in.. Viera/hrothgar are second-class races.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

I'm pretty numb to it by now, but it's still disappointing.

When they asked us to "please wait a little bit longer" they cited (surprise!) resources as the reason it's taking longer, shame our hairstyles don't seem to grow in the cabbage patch out back like the hairstyles for everyone else do. :rolleyes:

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They had to make male viera instead, it looks like.. and probably just as limited.. so that's great.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

It's already being spun as being a good thing to first release male Viera and female Hrothgar and then add something. In the big picture it might look good, but for people who play Viera and Hrothgar now the reality is that we might be looking at 4+ years by that time. I don't think that's a good thing at all.

But I admire your optimism and hope you're right. :)

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How many male viera players you think will actually stay as one?

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Originally Posted by zeylos

I'm quite sure that we will probably get something at some point in 6.x for viera, as they would want to boost fantasia sales and viera numbers with male viera released, and as for hrotgar I'm kind of optimistic the same will happen with female hrot's release sometime in the future, what Im really surprised about is that in the QnA no one asked about it, wonder if they'll do so in an interview

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People wanted it so bad, now we have double the limited races! Great stuff!

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Originally Posted by lalin

wow ...no mention of female viera at all !, this is ridiculous
why would you even bother making male viera when it's going to be restricted ...
on the other hand i am sure these few coming days they will be making so much profit out of all the fantasias viera/hrothgar players will be buying :o

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Limited races are great for fantasia sales! Players switching to and from them. Hrothgar just to get their second hairstyle! Imagine if females have to as well!

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Originally Posted by Halivel

We don't know.
That said, the guy's knees when it stands next to the bed seem to be on about the same height as my character's, who's 160cm tall, making Viera from Ishgard inn about 160-165 cm tall. I wouldn't make any conclusions from that as it's a trailer and it's hard to judge even when trying to get same angles since it's not guaranteed that assets in trailer are accurate, but there is a chance that male Viera will be shorter than females or same height as they are.

There's also this comparison, which still isn't 100% indicative but... yep.
https://mobile.twitter.com/IllyXIV/s...42367152168962

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If male viera are as short as miqo'te, what's the point? Hopefully the height range is larger. Sure, they are a bit better looking than male miqo'te, but is it worth the limitations? Male miqo'te can wear hats and have access to all added hair.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

How many male viera players you think will actually stay as one?

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Honestly? Quite a few I imagine. I think they look pretty good and there's still a decent amount of Viera left despite everything going on (or more accurately, despite absolutely nothing new going on) with the races.

I keep repeating this but I am serious about it lol I do think it's great they have committed to making the counterparts and I'm genuinely happy for people that wanted em, and I don't intend to crap over anyone's excitement for them.

But I'm also capable of feeling more than one thing at once so I am still very disappointed with how it's looking for us still playing these races right now.

I do 'look forward' to all the new and creative ways we'll be told to shut up about hair now the fan fest is over. What'll it be this time? At least they made male Viera? Wait for the next live letter? Wait for the expansion to launch before whining?

Stay tuned. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Honestly? Quite a few I imagine. I think they look pretty good and there's still a decent amount of Viera left despite everything going on (or more accurately, despite absolutely nothing new going on) with the races.

I keep repeating this but I am serious about it lol I do think it's great they have committed to making the counterparts and I'm genuinely happy for people that wanted em, and I don't intend to crap over anyone's excitement for them.

But I'm also capable of feeling more than one thing at once so I am still very disappointed with how it's looking for us still playing these races right now.

I do 'look forward' to all the new and creative ways we'll be told to shut up about hair now the fan fest is over. What'll it be this time? At least they made male Viera? Wait for the next live letter? Wait for the expansion to launch before whining?

Stay tuned. :rolleyes:

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There will always be players who stick to a race even with the limitations, but there will also be a loud portion who will switch off (or not) and join female viera players here.

I always advocated for male viera inclusion, but I thought SE would actually do it right the second time around.. Now we are just getting more of the same. Maybe female hrothgar will be different, and their two hairs per face won't require a fantasia to switch to..

Oh, it's going to be that, and also being told by future male viera players: "Hey, at least you had female viera!"

I'll probably switch back to my veena anyway. I have yet to do the story, and with new story coming out on the 25th I'd rather be my canon character. I was really, really hoping to be excited about something for viera yesterday..

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

There will always be players who stick to a race even with the limitations, but there will also be a loud portion who will switch off (or not) and join female viera players here.

I always advocated for male viera inclusion, but I thought SE would actually do it right the second time around.. Now we are just getting more of the same. Maybe female hrothgar will be different, and their two hairs per face won't require a fantasia to switch to..

Oh, it's going to be that, and also being told by future male viera players: "Hey, at least you had female viera!"

I'll probably switch back to my veena anyway. I have yet to do the story, and with new story coming out on the 25th I'd rather be my canon character. I was really, really hoping to be excited about something for viera yesterday..

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When the race is new it's not as glaring because you're getting a new model with <X> amount of actually new hairstyles you haven't seen before, I remember thinking when Viera came out "Hey this is alright, I like the hairstyles they do have and I can wait until they add the rest they said they would add". That turned out to be a longer wait than expected so now it's getting pretty stale.

Even if they by some miracle end up 'doing it right' the second time around I have 0 interest in playing a male Viera so it wouldn't help me anything, I imagine it's the same for people that want to play male Hrothgar if they release female Hrothgar without the Fantasia requirement. Great for them, not so much for the rest of us.

Overall some cool stuff was announced, but not on the front I was hoping for so I'm right there with you. :)

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Originally Posted by Chie_M

100%. It's depressing. Viera is the race for Rhana. I can't change her, because then she wouldn't be the WoL any more. I just want her to have something different.

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yeah I tried going au ra now, determined to stay as one but....no I just missed my viera. I just MISSED her, the way she moves and smiles and her stature. She is Viera. My alt was turned into my lovely Raen though so.....all good.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

When the race is new it's not as glaring because you're getting a new model with <X> amount of actually new hairstyles you haven't seen before, I remember thinking when Viera came out "Hey this is alright, I like the hairstyles they do have and I can wait until they add the rest they said they would add". That turned out to be a longer wait than expected so now it's getting pretty stale.

Even if they by some miracle end up 'doing it right' the second time around I have 0 interest in playing a male Viera so it wouldn't help me anything, I imagine it's the same for people that want to play male Hrothgar if they release female Hrothgar without the Fantasia requirement. Great for them, not so much for the rest of us.

Overall some cool stuff was announced, but not on the front I was hoping for so I'm right there with you. :)

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That's exactly how I was. A couple of the hairstyles looked nice, and female viera overall look(ed) great! Then reality sets in: SE regularly releasing hairstyles throughout ShB with no equivalent for Viera/hrothgar, headgear continues to be made with no regard for viera/hrothgar (i.e. hat rewards during events), SE being silent on viera/hrothgar, etc.

It's been just about two years, and we have seen NOTHING! But we have seen things like: "Well, it's only been 7 months!", then "THERE'S A GLOBAL PANDEMIC GOING ON AND YOU ARE ASKING FOR HAIRS?!".. :rolleyes:

I might make my alt one, just because of some OCD thing I have (like currently mooncat/suncat) and glamour, but I also have no actual interest in actually playing them myself. I just supported their inclusion for players who were left out. Now we are just getting more of the same, and I have to ask if it really was worth the resources spent, with these races in this state? Like, everyone else was still getting hairs even when they were developing male viera, so that was just great! Doesn't seem like the global pandemic really stopped them there.

Maybe in 6 months we will see some new hairs teased for EW.. :(

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Even if they by some miracle end up 'doing it right' the second time around I have 0 interest in playing a male Viera so it wouldn't help me anything, I imagine it's the same for people that want to play male Hrothgar if they release female Hrothgar without the Fantasia requirement. Great for them, not so much for the rest of us.

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I can't imagine them releasing male viera in a "complete" fashion and leaving female vieras behind. I can imagine female vieras getting the same hairstyles men have added to them, it wouldnt be a big thing since the ears are in the same space. Then again.....

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Originally Posted by LuciaMirain

I can't imagine them releasing male viera in a "complete" fashion and leaving female vieras behind. I can imagine female vieras getting the same hairstyles men have added to them, it wouldnt be a big thing since the ears are in the same space. Then again.....

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If the hairstyles are shared across both genders I won't complain. It does give us more choice...and in the male viera reveal video I saw a short hairstyle I would totally use.

Still would be salty if we once again end up being left out of getting new hair regularly though.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Still would be salty if we once again end up being left out of getting new hair regularly though.

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I think we all know that's how it's going to be. SE already stated viera would be receiving hairs at a lesser rate due to them being race specific, iirc (don't have the quote). Maybe, just maybe we will get one or two unisex styles during EW.. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I think we all know that's how it's going to be. SE already stated viera would be receiving hairs at a lesser rate due to them being race specific, iirc (don't have the quote). Maybe, just maybe we will get one or two unisex styles during EW.. :rolleyes:

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I can deal with a lesser rate but so far we haven't even had that.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I can deal with a lesser rate but so far we haven't even had that.

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Maybe this is their lesser rate.. viera technically did get new hairs.. The ones for male viera..

If we also get a couple hairs during EW, they TECHNICALLY weren't lying. Only took a few years.. :rolleyes: