How many more times must our Living Dead get griefed?

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Yes we all know you cling to OP WAR like a blanket (there a fergie lyric in there somewhere)

Get some new material please

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Ah, yes, fresh start with personal attacks.
You're free to check my profile(s) to see my favorite tanks.

Ironically you put your finger on something. In dungeon you can't expect every players to play the same way, DRK or healers.
When playing DRK, I don't rely on Living Dead because I'm aware healer reactions will be different from players to players.

Today's dungeon are designed so that any role aren't a point of failure for the party so the weaker link can be carried. It's time to accept you won't be the most important player of the party and, as you said, "move on".

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

Ah, yes, fresh start with personal attacks.
You're free to check my profile(s) to see my favorite tanks.

Ironically you put your finger on something. In dungeon you can't expect every players to play the same way, DRK or healers.
When playing DRK, I don't rely on Living Dead because I'm aware healer reactions will be different from players to players.

Today's dungeon are designed so that any role aren't a point of failure for the party so the weaker link can be carried. It's time to accept you won't be the most important player of the party and, as you said, "move on".

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The reason why it isn’t worth “debating” you is because you basically just ignored 17 pages of context to play the victim when you know I don’t like you

“You won’t be the most important player in the party” you cry as you and OP desperately cry to perpetually be the single most important player in the party with the ability to ignore everyone else, you’ve spent literal PAGES arguing bloodwhetting is fine because it’s casual content but now I’m suddenly the one who needs to accept that I’m not the most important player when all I want is just to actually be able to play the game

“No role is the point of failure”………except the tank, IM MORE important than you so I should be the point of failure is an argument you’ve given.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

The reason why it isn’t worth “debating” you is because you basically just ignored 17 pages of context to play the victim when you know I don’t like you

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Very cool, how about not making it personal and be objective?
Don't accuse me of playing the victim when you're screaming everyday that your role is dying, the worst balanced and that you can't play your role lmao
Move on, stop making things personal it's a forum not a boxing ring. It's crazy how tank sustain is living rent free in your head.

As for LD, because it's the actual topic:
-We can activate the healing effect regardless of Living Dead/Walking Dead status.
-We can move the healing effect to a different cooldown, Blood weapon for example.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

Very cool, how about not making it personal and be objective?
Don't accuse me of playing the victim when you're screaming everyday that your role is dying, the worst balanced and that you can't play your role lmao
Move on, stop making things personal it's a forum not a boxing ring. It's crazy how tank sustain is living rent free in your head.

As for LD, because it's the actual topic:
-We can activate the healing effect regardless of Living Dead/Walking Dead status.
-We can move the healing effect to a different cooldown, Blood weapon for example.

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I was on topic, I specifically said that nothing needs to change about living dead because it actually encourages communication, if you are so unable or unwilling to communicate with your co healer or you are so offended that the healer either doesn’t understand or chooses to ignore you that you cry for buffs so it works independently of the healer then I oppose that stance

Everything else I have said is a flow on of you choosing to open with a pointless “remember how you don’t like tank sustain”. Yes I’m vocal about tank sustain because I genuinely see a problem with it, you also see a problem with it but since it benefits you you choose to defend it. There is a big difference there. If you want to say me pointing out actual problems with role balance is playing the victim then sure I’m the victim

If you want me to stay on topic then how about you stay on topic yourself, I don’t think living dead needs any changes at all, it’s one of my favourite abilities DRK has and it works perfectly

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

if you are so unable or unwilling to communicate with your co healer or you are so offended that the healer either doesn’t understand or chooses to ignore you that you cry for buffs so it works independently of the healer then I oppose that stance

If you want to say me pointing out boogeymen is playing the victim then sure I’m the victim

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You can't expect DRKs to write in the group log everytime they queue in or bind a macro to your Living Dead with a bongo sound hoping the healer read the chat if they can't open their eyes/ears and be aware of the bright red Living dead buff.
People actually used to bind a macro to Living Dead only to see it not being procced because healers simply don't read, as they don't expect to read the chat anyway.
In other content that requires practice, you will communicate to map cooldowns, so healers (and tank!) will know what you'll be doing.

Dungeons are in and out 10 min adventure, nothing more. You don't see WHM saying "Hey tank, I will start chaining Holy at THIS point so don't bother mitigating!!".
Come on, that's unrealistic and you know that no one bother communicating because there's no value in it. Everyone runs with their own untold rules.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

You can't expect DRKs to write in the group log everytime they queue in or bind a macro to your Living Dead with a bongo sound hoping the healer read the chat if they can't open their eyes/ears and be aware of the bright red Living dead buff.
People actually used to bind a macro to Living Dead only to see it not being procced because healers simply don't read, as they don't expect to read the chat anyway.
In other content that requires practice, you will communicate to map cooldowns, so healers (and tank!) will know what you'll be doing.

Dungeons are in and out 10 min adventure, nothing more. You don't see WHM saying "Hey tank, I will start chaining Holy at THIS point so don't bother mitigating!!".
Come on, that's unrealistic and you know that no one bother communicating because there's no value in it. Everyone runs with their own untold rules.

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Again if you aren’t trying to work with a WHM using holy that’s not a problem of the skill that’s a problem of you refusing to try to work within the bounds of WHM’s strengths. Same as throwing living dead up and half the time the healer will let you pop it unless they already have effects working on you

I’ll again say if you cannot do the literal smallest attempt at communication which isn’t even actually talking but more just trying and seeing how they respond then a skill doesn’t need to be buffed to compensate for this. It’d be the same as me going “sometimes I’m using holy and the tanks mitigate while I’m using holy. They obviously don’t understand what holy does so what we should do is make holy’s stun effect permanent so it’s never possible for the tank to mess up their mitigation around me”

It’s a pointless buff to fix a non existent problem caused by OP’s complete lack of willingness to interact with other people in a trinity game. If you don’t want to interact with others at all use duty support. Your “dungeons are quick in and out” cuts both ways, I could use the same argument to say “OP is making a literal mountain out of a molehill, if your living dead doesn’t pop then your healer kept you alive, so insulting”

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

You can't expect DRKs to write in the group log everytime they queue in or bind a macro to your Living Dead with a bongo sound hoping the healer read the chat if they can't open their eyes/ears and be aware of the bright red Living dead buff.

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We shouldn't expect it, I don't, as I said earlier in this thread (and confirmed fairly recently) invulns put themselves at the top of a tank's buff/debuff stack meaning that any competent healer sees it almost as soon as it appears.

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Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers

We shouldn't expect it, I don't, as I said earlier in this thread (and confirmed fairly recently) invulns put themselves at the top of a tank's buff/debuff stack meaning that any competent healer sees it almost as soon as it appears.

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And if the healer doesn’t see it and heals you through it then that’s just how it goes, sometimes abilities get wasted. The solution to this is not to just continue to buff every ability until interaction with another player cannot mess it up, at that point support roles functionally don’t exist

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Again if you aren’t trying to work with a WHM using holy that’s not a problem of the skill that’s a problem of you refusing to try to work within the bounds of WHM’s strengths. Same as throwing living dead up and half the time the healer will let you pop it unless they already have effects working on you

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Oh okay so I need to communicate my CD usage but need to play around the WHM kit.
That's called a double standard.

At least that's a confirmation of your bias against tanks.

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Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers

We shouldn't expect it, I don't, as I said earlier in this thread (and confirmed fairly recently) invulns put themselves at the top of a tank's buff/debuff stack meaning that any competent healer sees it almost as soon as it appears.

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Correct, we adapt, we play by our own untold rules.
There's no need to communicate around CD usage as buff and debuff communicate enough.
The same way, I don't need to communicate to know what my healer is doing as hearing the sound effects and buffs are enough communication.

If healers don't pay attention to it, so be it. Again it's dungeon so that doesn't matter but I can understand OP's frustration if they want to rely on Living Dead.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

Oh okay so I need to communicate my CD usage but need to play around the WHM kit.
That's called a double standard.

At least that's a confirmation of your bias against tanks.



Correct, we adapt, we play by our own untold rules.
There's no need to communicate around CD usage as buff and debuff communicate enough.
The same way, I don't need to communicate to know what my healer is doing as hearing the sound effects and buffs are enough communication.

If healers don't pay attention to it, so be it. Again it's dungeon so that doesn't matter but I can understand OP's frustration if they want to rely on Living Dead.

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Yes because if you didn’t know holy is WHM’s main mode of damage in AOE, that is what they are going to be using immediately upon grouping up enemies, the WHM doesn’t need to communicate holy is going to be used because it’s implied because it’s the only thing that they can press. If holy was a 2 minute CD that stunned everything for 15 seconds then yes some implied communication would be nice. living dead meanwhile is an ultimate cooldown that you don’t need to use anywhere in a dungeon if you really don’t feel like you need to when you are getting effective use of your CD’s and it has a super long CD

Funny your desire to try to score a goal saying I’m biased against tanks just ends up reading like you don’t actually understand the skills properly