The truth is we need a remastered XI or a follow up

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

I got to the desert. I was grinding mobs in the desert, and it was so boring I wanted to die, and I stopped playing. I think I got to like level 20. It wasn't very fun at all. But nobody should have to justify really anything when it comes to an opinion about the game. I played it. I'm not telling you the endgame sucks or is boring because I never got there. I had to deal with the toxic and mean community that hated me from the get-go because I played on the xbox, and I was new.

So an unwelcoming game that is less fun than waiting in a line didn't hook me. Hell, looking back at it, hard labor seemed preferable than playing it.

So no, you can make fun of me all you want, but when they listen to you and the game dies, don't come crying to me.

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The game was going to die when CoP came out because story focused

The game was going to die during ToAU came out because the salvage dupe bans

The game was going to die out because Abyssea

The game was going to die out because voidwatch

The game was going to die out because SoA making relics useless

The game was going to die out because FFXIV

The game was going to die out because….well it’s been 20 years of the game going to die out

Yet it’s still very much around and active….weird

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Originally Posted by Blossoming

The game was going to die when CoP came out because the story focused

The game was going to die during ToAU came out because the salvage dupe bans

The game was going to die out because Abyssea

The game was going to die out because voidwatch

The game was going to die out because SoA was making relics useless

The game was going to die out because FFXIV

The game was going to die out because….well it’s been 20 years of the game going to die out

Yet it’s still very much around and active….weird

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It's never even remotely brought up when people talk about what mmo to play. Even then, if it is it’s more shock that people still play it. Even if let's say 200,000 people play XI, it doesn't matter. There's more bots on 14 at 2 am.

You like the game that's an obvious given, but it's archaic. The new remastered version of it will die unless it completely changes how it runs. Wow, and Final Fantasy 14 are the top dogs now for a reason. That reason is accessibility. Think of how tedious it is to set up an XI account. The confusion of the subscription model. It's $1.00 per character. Not additional ones, but per. So you get past that, and you make your character. Cool, now what city state or server do you pick? You have no clue, so you just pick. Did you pick a good one? Who knows? Then you finally get into the game. The controls by default are nuts. Because it's designed for laptops and PS2s. You have to press control pad minus to bring up the god-awful menu and navigate through menu hell in order to fix it. A casual player isn't going to do all of that. Hell, I doubt most of them make it past the Playonline Veiwer. Let's be real.

XI isn't some power house mmo anymore. It's cool it's still around, and it's cool you guys enjoy it, but the times they are a changin. 14 will eventually meet the same fate. It's perfectly normal.

I never said that it was some powerhouse mmo, but to say it’s on deaths door like we’ve been hearing forever is just hyperbole especially when you’ve self admittedly played only to level 20 however many years ago. Of course it’s not for everyone, people most certainly would love an official classic server from SE and I think you’d get a pretty healthy population right off the bat because there are people who miss what the game offered during era.

There are things I like and hate about XIV as well as things I like and hate about XI. What is annoying me is people who haven’t played the game in 10 or more years are talking about the state of the game now when they have no idea what they are talking about. Most people I know think it’s probably the best place retail has ever been, there’s a lot of QoL improvements while keeping core aspects that made the game originally fun. I love XIV, I was one of the initial people who got clowned in XI for leaving to go play it in 1.0. I want it to do well but really since EW I log in and within minutes I’m just…bored and want to log out and play something else because it just feels so repetitive and reskinned to me. I just would love to see varying content like XIs endgame offered that targeted the mid level players that gave them a sense of progression.

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Originally Posted by Blossoming

I never said that it was some powerhouse mmo, but to say it’s on deaths door like we’ve been hearing forever is just hyperbole especially when you’ve self admittedly played only to level 20 however many years ago. Of course it’s not for everyone, people most certainly would love an official classic server from SE and I think you’d get a pretty healthy population right off the bat because there are people who miss what the game offered during era.

There are things I like and hate about XIV as well as things I like and hate about XI. What is annoying me is that people who haven’t played the game in 10 or more years are talking about the state of the game now when they have no idea what they are talking about. Most people I know think it’s probably the best place retail has ever been, there’s a lot of QoL improvements while keeping core aspects that made the game originally fun. I love XIV, I was one of the initial people who got clowned in XI for leaving to go play it in 1.0. I want it to do well, but really, since EW, I log in, and within minutes I’m just…bored and want to log out and play something else because it just feels so repetitive and reskinned to me. I just would love to see varying content like XIs endgame offered that targeted the mid level players that gave them a sense of progression.

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But those are the people you are marketing towards. Classic Wow exploded because people played it 10 to 15 years ago. That is your target audience when you market your XI remaster/remake. You can't avoid that. So if my opinion that I played it 10+ years ago and thought it was crap is 1 strike against it. Sure, I'm just some random person, but I highly doubt it's just me.

Look, all I'm saying is when I'm not playing 14, I never even remotely hear a whisper of XI. It's never brought up. I played mmos when XI came out, and even after, and I didn't know it was a thing until it came out on the xbox. Then, all of a sudden, all my friends were hyped to play it. Like 20 of us started XI, and like 3 stayed. You know what game every mmo player I've ever met knows? Wow, and it's why classic was as much as a success it was. Hell, people flocked to classic Runescape. Another game I didn't even know existed until it was released as a classic experience.

Listen, hopefully, you get what you wanted. I have to go to work.

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

But those are the people you are marketing towards. Classic Wow exploded because people played it 10 to 15 years ago. That is your target audience when you market your XI remaster/remake. You can't avoid that. So if my opinion that I played it 10+ years ago and thought it was crap is 1 strike against it. Sure, I'm just some random person, but I highly doubt it's just me.

Look, all I'm saying is when I'm not playing 14, I never even remotely hear a whisper of XI. It's never brought up. I played mmos when XI came out, and even after, and I didn't know it was a thing until it came out on the xbox. Then, all of a sudden, all my friends were hyped to play it. Like 20 of us started XI, and like 3 stayed. You know what game every mmo player I've ever met knows? Wow, and it's why classic was as much as a success it was. Hell, people flocked to classic Runescape. Another game I didn't even know existed until it was released as a classic experience.

Listen, hopefully, you get what you wanted. I have to go to work.

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I would love an official classic server for XI and I know a lot of people who’ve never played XI who would love to also try it, but it probably won’t happen because of the assets of the ps2 kit it was built off I believe they said are no longer recoverable it something like that. It’s part of why private servers also can’t accurately depict era it’s really all just guesses and testimonials so I really think that’s the only reason we don’t have one.

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Originally Posted by Blossoming

The game was going to die when CoP came out because story focused

The game was going to die during ToAU came out because the salvage dupe bans

The game was going to die out because Abyssea

The game was going to die out because voidwatch

The game was going to die out because SoA making relics useless

The game was going to die out because FFXIV

The game was going to die out because….well it’s been 20 years of the game going to die out

Yet it’s still very much around and active….weird

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The game did actually crash hard after Abyssea and the level cap increase. That is when the majority of the playerbase quit and it was right after that when the game closed down dozens of servers.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

The game did actually crash hard after Abyssea and the level cap increase. That is when the majority of the playerbase quit and it was right after that when the game closed down dozens of servers.

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Yeah I remember the Abyssea outcry for sure, though I think voidwatch was the lowest point XI had hit as I remember I primarily swapped to XIV instead during that era because it was so boring and routine and just laughably easy. The server merges happened before Abyssea as I remember I was on hades and we merged into Cerberus and had to compete agains those HNM LSes. Still after RoV the game most certainly had a surge again since it brought a lot of fun challenging content built for groups and right now it’s probably the most fun I’ve had playing it in a while which is a good thing. Both games are from SE after all and I want both to do well

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

The only people that talk about it are a small swath of FF fans. It wouldn't be profitable for SE. Also, you'd have to change so much of it for it to not completely fail on launch it wouldn't be recognizable as 11. It's an old dated game with outdated game designs.

Plus, I'd rather we actually get a new game than a tired old one.

There's my take on it. Are you happy? Are we done?

Or do you want new players to experience the wonders of 50 gil and an adventurer's coupon level of quest excitement. Nursing homes are more engaging than 11. Now, if you excuse me, I have to take a knee for 5 minutes to refill my mana.

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I'm absolutely enjoying it as a new player, and a fan of FF.

It's players like you that made me second guess even giving it a shot, and I'm pretty sad that it took me this long to muster the courage. Because what I'm experiencing, yes is an updated version from 2003 just as you're playing an updated version of XIV.. But it's a fun experience for an FF fan. It's got low res textures, but most of the mobs from XIV are from XI, basically 1:1 ripped anyway.

Idk if that coupon was some kinda gotcha, but it's showing how far you got. I found it funny when I was level 20 and realized what the coupon was for. It's just there to get you to go talk to an NPC and get comfortable interacting and trading.

Talking about boring, when XIV is the absolute most boring open world, combat, and dungeon experience it's ever been. At this point, it makes no difference if my party on XI are basically auto-attacking shit to death, it still feels more engaging than XIV 1-2-3 currently.

Also, stop talking about 'Old MMO' shit, it's not as grindy as you people think it is. It's just as if someone said "Oh FFXIV? The game that makes you grind Leves before each MSQ? No thanks." Cringe.

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

I got to the desert. I was grinding mobs in the desert, and it was so boring I wanted to die, and I stopped playing. I think I got to like level 20. It wasn't very fun at all. But nobody should have to justify really anything when it comes to an opinion about the game. I played it. I'm not telling you the endgame sucks or is boring because I never got there. I had to deal with the toxic and mean community that hated me from the get-go because I played on the xbox, and I was new.

So no, you can make fun of me all you want, but when they listen to you and the game dies, don't come crying to me.

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Plenty of people have to justify opinions, when it's a shit opinion. BUT if what you didn't like was old XI, then I can probably get that. Just don't go touting your experiences acting like it's how the game plays today. Stop trying to scare people away.

"FFXIV was horrible, I'll never touch it again.. I had to sit in a cave for 6 hours shooting at moles before my Leves could recharge. Weeb game" see how shit that sounds?

Now, if you also told me.. "The UI is horrible, setup was impossible, the quests are way too confusing" I'd say that tracks. Like if you played a Souls game and told me why you hated it, and it made sense. Then I'd say yeah alright.


I'm starting XI BLU - Wish me luck. lol

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

It's never even remotely brought up when people talk about what mmo to play. Even then, if it is it’s more shock that people still play it. Even if let's say 200,000 people play XI, it doesn't matter. There's more bots on 14 at 2 am.

You like the game that's an obvious given, but it's archaic. The new remastered version of it will die unless it completely changes how it runs. Wow, and Final Fantasy 14 are the top dogs now for a reason. That reason is accessibility. Think of how tedious it is to set up an XI account. The confusion of the subscription model. It's $1.00 per character. Not additional ones, but per. So you get past that, and you make your character. Cool, now what city state or server do you pick? You have no clue, so you just pick. Did you pick a good one? Who knows? Then you finally get into the game. The controls by default are nuts. Because it's designed for laptops and PS2s. You have to press control pad minus to bring up the god-awful menu and navigate through menu hell in order to fix it. A casual player isn't going to do all of that. Hell, I doubt most of them make it past the Playonline Veiwer. Let's be real.

XI isn't some power house mmo anymore. It's cool it's still around, and it's cool you guys enjoy it, but the times they are a changin. 14 will eventually meet the same fate. It's perfectly normal.

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You basically just described FFXIV. lol

You think people bring up Ultima Online, Maplestory, DDO? No. But they're still very popular.

Nobody's saying it's a powerhouse, they're saying it's fun and engaging even today. Which it is. It deserves a texture and UI overhaul at least. "FFVI? Nobody plays that game anymore. FFXV is better, it's the wave of the future." again - see how dumb that sounds? lol

Just no reason to bring down XI and lie about it, when we have plenty of FF fans around here. People just scaring them away when they could find out they like that type of FF experience.

It's also just legitimately great XIV Lull filler. I wanted more FF to go back to. What better thing than another living FF world?

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

But those are the people you are marketing towards. Classic Wow exploded because people played it 10 to 15 years ago. That is your target audience when you market your XI remaster/remake. You can't avoid that. So if my opinion that I played it 10+ years ago and thought it was crap is 1 strike against it. Sure, I'm just some random person, but I highly doubt it's just me.

Look, all I'm saying is when I'm not playing 14, I never even remotely hear a whisper of XI. It's never brought up. I played mmos when XI came out, and even after, and I didn't know it was a thing until it came out on the xbox. Then, all of a sudden, all my friends were hyped to play it. Like 20 of us started XI, and like 3 stayed. You know what game every mmo player I've ever met knows? Wow, and it's why classic was as much as a success it was. Hell, people flocked to classic Runescape. Another game I didn't even know existed until it was released as a classic experience.

Listen, hopefully, you get what you wanted. I have to go to work.

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Look no one is asking to discontinue the mainstream MMO line for this. It's understandable for you not to enjoy XI. A lot of people do though but it is clear theres two play style preferences at play here and it makes sense to cater to those different markets. If XIV players want to hand in tomes for everything and only want to spend 10-15 minutes a day playing the game thats more than fine, so if they release two different MMO lines that share assets those that prefer a little more investment and longevity to their MMOs wouldn't be left out to dry.

If you look around and across cultures you'll find that people enjoy developing habits and stability. For example, if you to Miami and visit little Havana you'll come across a park called Domino Park. The people there have been playing Dominoes for 40 years and chill and hang out with their friends. They don't go there to play chess. They haven't changed their game. And nobody would shame them for it.

The same applies if you go to San Francisco and at the heart of the city theres a park where people congregate to play cards.

So its not crazy to think that the digital generation will have the same subset of people who enjoy playing the same thing over and over and this is largely who these slow MMOs will appeal to. Just like the people in the parks referenced above have families and jobs, its not like they no life the game 24/7 (invariably some will), these MMO players aren't the sweaty try hards you think they are. They're just people who prefer one game when they have time and they like to invest in it.

In fact, as the gray gamer generation spawns I can only see the market for this expanding. Old people don't like change. Now personally I'm not that old, and play a few other titles, but due to my work and life I normally main one game, and beat the occasional blockbusters like Elden Ring or Zeldas.