30 Minute Lockout for Leaving Roulette's isn't Working as Intended.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

The problem I see with this, is then you get lazy players who want to spend less time in dungeon, who don't even bother to sign up unless there are runs-in-progress to join. This reduces the pool of players willing to sign up for a full dungeon.

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Yeah, I thought about this too. But I think the top priority should be to have those players who got abandoned mid-run and who already got through their queue be able to finish their run so that they don't have to vote abandon and go through a queue again. Who cares if a lazy player gets to spend less time on a dungeon if it means saving up to 3 other players from being unable to complete it.

I might get shouted at to hell for this, but the re-join timer should be determined based on a player "reputation" - if somebody leaves duties often, a 30 minute timer isn't going to bother them.

But if they leave duties often, they should have their reputation lowered and their timer to re-join increased.

I'm sure it would be a trivial system to set up for the devs.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

I was confused by this, too - but then, a couple of occurrences opened my eyes to something folks don't always notice.

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Nah, we know to always check for the duty finder to be searching for party members before asking people to queue. You still don't always get the in-progress run, unfortunately. It seems like if there's a new run already waiting for your role in the DF, the way it's set up now is that the in-progress run simply gets in line behind them as of the time that they actually start looking for a new member instead of getting proiority of some sort based on being in-progress. I've fished and ended up queueing into a completely fresh dungeon, meanwhile a 2nd or 3rd FC mate that tried to queue will get the actual in-progress dungeon.

Why not put something like a self "vote kick" to let the rest of the party decide if you can leave the match without penalty? usually the current vote kick is used for this but it isnt being used as intended then and you can feel bad for using it this way. If you can request a vote to leave dungeon without penalty for emergency reasons and let the rest of the party to judge, at least you can avoid penalty by a legit way and with a window that ask other players to let you leave the dungeon because of an emergency or unexpected event.

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Originally Posted by Khazar

Why not put something like a self "vote kick" to let the rest of the party decide if you can leave the match without penalty? usually the current vote kick is used for this but it isnt being used as intended then and you can feel bad for using it this way. If you can request a vote to leave dungeon without penalty for emergency reasons and let the rest of the party to judge, at least you can avoid penalty by a legit way and with a window that ask other players to let you leave the dungeon because of an emergency or unexpected event.

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With how self entitled most of the responders are in this post, they wouldn't let you leave. You'd be impeding their run. They'd want to punish you severely for even asking to be let out. They'd want you to have like a 36 hour ban from not only DF, but the game completely.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

I actually think it's the other way round, if you don't want to put up with new people in dungeons make a premade. The Duty Finder is there for how the dungeon it is meant to be played. Want to watch cutscenes watch them, want to go in blind and have surprises go for it. Only time I will ever watch a video is for Savage/Ex primals. I think this is why update day is my favourite everyone is in the same boat, people talk to work out strategies, people have a laugh.But that is why I mainly only do DF with FC members and only grab the odd DPS every so often. We chat and have fun whilst getting the job done.

Also getting all pissy with the new person just makes the run worse as it stresses them out and makes them even more careless.

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Actually it's "if you want the run to go how you want, make a premade." So people going in blind are agreeing to accept whatever party they get, even if that means the party doesn't want them there.

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Originally Posted by KariArisu

The current penalty is fine. The real issue is how long it can take to get a party started, or replace a leaver.

There's a serious lack of tanks, always..

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this, did the amdapor EX roulette last night, tank left, so me, the BLm and the healer just trio'd the whole dungeon >...> Was fun, sure, but unnessesary..

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Originally Posted by Eul

My data center is kinda douchebag lately. I keep having healer rage quit at Great Gubal Library. If you don't want enter leveling dungeon then what's the reason you did roulette leveling?

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This happened today at the Library. I take it Aurum Vale and the Great Gubal Library are the most hated dungeons? Three of us were level 59 while the quitter was something like ilevel 220+

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Originally Posted by Spawnie

people just pretend to dc and wait to get kicked.. not hard to just log out on 1 toon n do somethin for 10mins or log an alt lol

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This.

This is what I have been noticing tanks and today a high iLv DPS doing. Pretend disconnected hoping to get kicked quickly.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Actually it's "if you want the run to go how you want, make a premade." So people going in blind are agreeing to accept whatever party they get, even if that means the party doesn't want them there.

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No, it's not. Queuing in the Duty Finder means that you're ready for any random players to join you. And a random party will always scale to the least experienced member.

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Originally Posted by Dorander

They'd want to punish you severely for even asking to be let out. They'd want you to have like a 36 hour ban from not only DF, but the game completely.

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Be nice to other people, and you'll be surprised how nice they can be to you. Leave right away because you don't care how you'll penalize the group, don't come complaiing that people are rude to you.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Nothing you do is going to keep people from leaving roulette choices they don't like. If you make the penalty too harsh, people will simply find another way around it like disconnecting or sitting down and doing nothing while demanding that the group kick them.

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If you make the penalty for leaving early be equal to the amount of time left in the run, make the penalty for being kicked equal to 2/3 of that - which goes away if/when the group actually completes the run (unless you're new to that content, then no penalty for being kicked from it).
- also reduce a person's reward tokens / coin / etc from any run by 5% each time they vote to kick someone - even if the vote fails that will get people to weigh the costs of vote-kick griefing). 10% if the person voted against was new to that content.