What's your first impression of Eureka?

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

I'm sure game designers are intelligent enough to know that too, so why are you giving them that excuse?

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Because Square is a perfect company that can do no wrong. Everything they do is perfect and anyone pooping over it and complaining are just people who'll never be satisfied. We clearly aren't giving Square enough money after the amazingness that Eureka is. It--

Okay I can't do this anymore.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

The community did not hate Eureka, it is a small portion of people hate it with majority treating it as an optional content (they don't care).
Eureka is staying and getting more features and improvements at 4.3.

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...the only reason it's not hated more is that you can semi-afk your way to a relic. You show up, semi-afk while other people pop mobs, tag the boss when it spawns, and you get goodies while you chat on discord or something. The way it's turned out is incredibly shallow, nor much fun.

Keep in mind too, the exp to increase our level may rise substantially in future eureka zones, and they can if they want nerf fates so that people will be forced to grind the majority of time for 30 chains, then FATE rarely. The fun that we have now is really conditional on it being easy; if its actually hard, you can't talk, have fun, etc. It's worrisome because I know we are going to be getting this for the rest of the expansion and I'm not sure the formula is robust enough to keep people in it if they change it to make it harder.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

...the only reason it's not hated more

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What's with people trying to speak for the whole playerbase by makng such oversimplification these days ?

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

everyone that dislikes it are fools and do not know what they are talking about" Flat out insults, I have done no such thing.

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Funny, because this is exactly what you do for the opposite side...and you still don't understand that people are not calling you a fool for disliking it but for trying to enforce that everyone who dare like it is delusional.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

What's with people trying to speak for the whole playerbase by makng such oversimplification these days ?

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What is it with people making posts that have no point to the main discussion?
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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Funny, because this is exactly what you do for the opposite side...and you still don't understand that people are not calling you a fool for disliking it but for trying to enforce that everyone who dare like it is delusional.

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No I do not, you will say anything to defend your actions. Also going to my original reply to you "What is it with people making posts that have no point to the main discussion?" In other words, all you added was flame bait, and does not add to the discussion. The only reason I am saying this to show why I am asking you to stop it.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

...the only reason it's not hated more is that you can semi-afk your way to a relic. You show up, semi-afk while other people pop mobs, tag the boss when it spawns, and you get goodies while you chat on discord or something. The way it's turned out is incredibly shallow, nor much fun.

Keep in mind too, the exp to increase our level may rise substantially in future eureka zones, and they can if they want nerf fates so that people will be forced to grind the majority of time for 30 chains, then FATE rarely. The fun that we have now is really conditional on it being easy; if its actually hard, you can't talk, have fun, etc. It's worrisome because I know we are going to be getting this for the rest of the expansion and I'm not sure the formula is robust enough to keep people in it if they change it to make it harder.

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That is another reason people are forcing themselves to do it now. Some are scared they will change it for the worse and make it unplayable. It is not far fetched to assume SE does not know what they are doing when they release a diadem 3.0 saying it will not be like diadem, new and innovative.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

No I do not, you will say anything to defend your actions.

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Sure, you wouldn't ever call people "blind fanboy" for liking it, "forcing themselves to like it" or agree that "they must be paid to say they like it"...

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

In other words, all you added was flame bait, and does not add to the discussion.

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No because the main problem of this topic is exactly that people are trying to enforce what the playerbase thinks to prove them right, instead of keeping this on their personal opinion. Again, after over 100 pages where your participate on this topic, it's baffling that you didn't realize that.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

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Stop. You have no moral high-ground in this debate. All either of you is doing is making it worse for yourselves. You've long since stopped arguing over Eureka and have devolved to just snapping at each other. Enough.
Also relevant reading material for you.

I'm halfway to 19 now. All being at this point did for me was make me realize just how much artificial difficulty the place had. Deaths don't matter if you travel in a party and then you get mounts and can just outrun even the things that can 2-shot you. The true annoyance was and still remains having to run back to the quest location every time you die. I just want to start getting my feathers so I can get some weapons and then see how I want to divide my gear upgrades.

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This is good content, indeed!

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

There are objectively important things, like MSQ [...]

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And yet even though you say that its objectively important there are a quite some people in this game that dont care about the story at all. MSQ is not important if we take it down to getting better. Its a nice flavor that might make a game better but a lot of MMO dont really have that much of a great story because gameplay is often more interesting. You dont need the MSQ to make your character gear up, you can even jump over most of the story. Also if you say that MSQ is needed then isnt Eureka mandatory too (in a way) since it has story behind it which was a mystery in the MSQ in ARR. And you can only truly see it yourself if you go through it.

Thats why I said its completely subjective to every person. Why do people run all the primals even if they are old? Mounts! And many more of such examples. Just because its not important to you doesnt mean that it isnt for others. And just because you just never do tome farming doesnt mean that others wont if they want something. (And you cant really avoid tome farming..since you get them with nearly every content so its kinda a bit of a bad point)

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I really really hope that future Eureka takes at least some of our critisim in it..if they release all the other parts with similiar content I will truly be at loss..I mean even those that liked it have given quite the good ideas and its saddens me how much more better it could have been. Well my last hope remains with PotD 2..which will hopefully come out in SB too.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

I'm halfway to 19 now. All being at this point did for me was make me realize just how much artificial difficulty the place had. Deaths don't matter if you travel in a party and then you get mounts and can just outrun even the things that can 2-shot you. The true annoyance was and still remains having to run back to the quest location every time you die. I just want to start getting my feathers so I can get some weapons and then see how I want to divide my gear upgrades.

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Thats true too. Not only was it wrong that monster wont stop chasing you but its kinda bad that they stop hurting a player if they are some levels above..I dislike the death penalty but if you do something like that do it right. Not making it easier and easier for higher levels which in turn will make it even harder for the lower ones. (Since High level players can just run to places without much care for their health) They could have made it so that its alway easier with a group but that the real challenge would be to do it solo or in really small groups and that level itself does not matter too much. Or at least have way more high level trash monsters for the last few NM trains so that even those will fear to be one-hitted. Together with spawning more of the lower fates this would give lower levels the chance to get their stuff through lower fates and higher level players still have the danger when they go to their NMs.
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Also some posters here should really calm a bit down. At the same time at least one of them is just here for troll attempts or to increase attacks..(maybe to get this thread locked?) Its just better to ignore their posts since they are fine to ignore answers to them anyway. (Still waiting on the answer to my Eureka question) This will just end in a flame war otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

And yet even though you say that its objectively important there are a quite some people in this game that dont care about the story at all. MSQ is not important if we take it down to getting better.

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My comment on how the MSQ is important is not related to one's personal appreciation of the story, but the fact that almost every content is gated behind it. All 8 man raids, 24 man raids and almost all of the dungeons requires some progression in the MSQ, even if the content itself is a complete side story.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Thats why I said its completely subjective to every person. Why do people run all the primals even if they are old? Mounts! And many more of such examples. Just because its not important to you doesnt mean that it isnt for others.

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People are free to run any content they want. It's still puzzling for me that someone run something when they obviously hate it, that's all. I love the concept of the relic, but I certainly wouldn't do it if it required tome farming like the previous did.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

And just because you just never do tome farming doesnt mean that others wont if they want something. (And you cant really avoid tome farming..since you get them with nearly every content so its kinda a bit of a bad point)

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Getting tomes when seeking other rewards is not the same as "tome farming". For example, I didn't run any expert roulette since I earned enough dungeon drops to be able to enter Deltascape, no lvl 70 roulette ever, never did 4.1 and 4.2 dungeons after the first clear unless I was helping someone, etc...

I think what they ought to do is put in rare items such as crafting mats !! They could put in stuff that is hard to obtain !! Also put more minions in !! One thing that keeps happening is when in New area that needs address is people are dcing when going to next hunt !! Please look into this! Never had any problems til storm blood !!