Global Alpha Test Start Date

Thank you Warlock, I think I may have to try and call SE tomorrow if I can still find thier customer service number.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Oh, I'm perfectly calm, while utterly bored.

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*looks back 4 pages* not the way I see it o.o.

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Originally Posted by Yusosuki

Thank you Warlock, I think I may have to try and call SE tomorrow if I can still find thier customer service number.

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What form are you using?

There are two:

Europe (I believe Australia is included here): http://entry.ffxiv.com/alpha/index_en.html

North America: http://entry.ffxiv.com/alpha/index_na.html

If you get an error related to region, you're probably trying to apply in the wrong one.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

*looks back 4 pages* not the way I see it o.o.

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Another one that thinks he can read minds? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Abriael

What form are you using?

There are two:

Europe (I believe Australia is included here): http://entry.ffxiv.com/alpha/index_en.html

North America: http://entry.ffxiv.com/alpha/index_na.html

If you get an error related to region, you're probably trying to apply in the wrong one.



Another one that thinks he can read minds? :rolleyes:

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Read minds... your basically having a heart attack nearly every page has your name. meh watching show

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Quite calm. You may want to notice that despite you continuing to miss the point, to misrepresent my opinion and to generally derail the discussion over and over, I'm not insulting you. While you are indeed insulting others.

Guess you're the angry one here.

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Whatever you say. I better be careful here, though. I don't want to "tick you off" again, in a calm manner, of course. lol One thing I will say about you, though. You're hilarious! :D

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Claiming that those that deny the factual nature of your claims are "in denial" doesn't make them more factual.

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And continuing to deny the facts doesn't make you any less in denial. In fact, it's kind of the opposite. lol

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Originally Posted by Abriael

I believe my post count and yours shows quite clearly who needs to read the forums more.

... or maybe who needs to read them less... >_>

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Or it shows you post a lot without knowing what you're talking about. ;) lol

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Originally Posted by Abriael

No, they're individuals that have been educated by companies over the years to the concept that customer loyalty is to be rewarded, which is, mind you, a quite logical and balanced concept.

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I'm sure they have. I'm also sure they know the difference between a mistake that is a devestating blow to the company and a blunder which is so small it's practically insignificant. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're smart enough to know all of that. lol

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Is funny how you claim you're not insulting people, and you continue to stress on those insults in the same sentence. "whiner" "crybaby" and the like are all derogatory remarks. As such they're factually insults. You should refrain from them.

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Or maybe people crying and whining on the forums should refrain from, well, crying and whining on the forums. Then there's a 0% chance they'll get called out for it.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

The little fact that you're missing is that no one is pretending anything. You're continuing to try and refute a point that no one argued. It's a blunder. Serious or not, it's besides the point. Blunders should be avoided.

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Except that blunders are going to happen, sooner or later. And they can be serious, or not serious. MY point, which seems to skip merrilly over your head a lot lol, is that this blunder is the latter kind, regardless of how much you want to believe otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Why, I believe you're in no position to assess SE's resources, and to decide whether they have the time to amend whatever mistake they make.

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Nor do I believe you're a corprorate genius or something who can declare that any blunder made by the company is "Srs bzness", especially since they seem to be acting otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

I'll give you a hint: they have a PR department and plenty community managers exactly for that purpose. "wasting" their time can hardly be "devastating". That's what they're paid for.

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And yet, none of those "PR"s seem to be taking this blunder all that seriously. Hmm....

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Originally Posted by Abriael

You are aware that you saying that something isn't a big deal "really" doesn't make it so, right?

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Tell you what, when they treat it like it's a huge, serious deal, then so will I. Until then, well, yeah. lol

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Originally Posted by Abriael

In a discussion forum in which the rules state clearly that demeaning others isn't allowed, it remains disallowed no matter how much you *think* it's justified.

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Just as people are not going to be allowed to alpha test the game just because they have veteran status, no matter how much you may "believe" it should be so. (shrug)

Also, they are whiners. And crybabies. :P

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Originally Posted by Starlord

*looks back 4 pages* not the way I see it o.o.

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No, really. He's a perfectly calm, ticked off person. LOL

This is fun. :D Wish I didn't have to go soon. I have to get up early in the morn. I'm probaly enjoying this too much.

That was the issue. Thank you so much Abriael.

I thought this thread was about an Alpha test, not an Abriael test. r.r

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Read minds... your basically having a heart attack nearly every page has your name. meh watching show

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Hyperbole is your friend, I see. I do believe my heart is fine, thank you.

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

Whatever you say. I better be careful here, though. I don't want to "tick you off" again, in a calm manner, of course. lol One thing I will say about you, though. You're hilarious! :D

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Ah, sarcasm with a sprinkle of passive aggressiveness on top, the perfect way to try and hide a weak position.

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And continuing to deny the facts doesn't make you any less in denial. In fact, it's kind of the opposite. lol

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Only that there's no fact to be denied, only your very biased opinion that you try so hard to pass as fact. Doesn't work like that.

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Or it shows you post a lot without knowing what you're talking about. ;) lol

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I'm quite sure it's very clear who here doesn't know what he's talking about. And it isn't me.

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I'm sure they have. I'm also sure they know the difference between a mistake that is a devestating blow to the company and a blunder which is so small it's practically insignificant. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're smart enough to know all of that. lol

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Except that blunders are going to happen, sooner or later. And they can be serious, or not serious. MY point, which seems to skip merrilly over your head a lot lol, is that this blunder is the latter kind, regardless of how much you want to believe otherwise.

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You seem to be very bent in passing the idea that since blunders "happen" they shouldn't be taken seriously. Yeah, doesn't work like that.

Mind you, if you want to work in the development industry as you stated before, I suggest you lose this idea as soon as possible, because I can tell you from experience: it's not gonna fly.

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Or maybe people crying and whining on the forums should refrain from, well, crying and whining on the forums. Then there's a 0% chance they'll get called out for it.

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What they do is inconsequential. You're not allowed to insult them. May want to come to terms with this idea.

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Nor do I believe you're a corprorate genius or something who can declare that any blunder made by the company is "Srs bzness", especially since they seem to be acting otherwise.

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[And yet, none of those "PR"s seem to be taking this blunder all that seriously. Hmm....[/quote]

You mean posting a lengthy post that probably took Yoshi at least a hour to compose and the PR department some more to review? That seems to be a rather serious response.

No, I'm no "corporate genious", but I do share quite a bit of experience in that world, besides a rather strong education in business with a degree in brand management.

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Just as people are not going to be allowed to alpha test the game just because they have veteran status, no matter how much you may "believe" it should be so. (shrug)

Also, they are whiners. And crybabies. :P

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Adding smileys is a rather sad attempt to hide the insulting nature of your posts. if you can't understand the fact that you're breaking the rules of the forums, other than behaving in an extremely impolite and disrespectful way, I can't really help you.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Hyperbole is your friend, I see. I do believe my heart is fine, thank you.

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I'm glad to hear that ^.^. but you are blowing this out of proportion though, it's just an Alpha test You must love crashes that much to complain. Who cares if "non-actives" get in as long as they are doing their part to make the " Retail" version of the game better, why would it matter if your in the Alpha Version?

I've still yet to see proof of "inactive" players got into alpha >.> i think it was just something made up to rage about and everyone's falling for a fail troll

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Originally Posted by Starlord

I'm glad to hear that ^.^. but you are blowing this out of proportion though, it's just an Alpha test You must love crashes that much to complain. Who cares if "non-actives" get in as long as they are doing their part to make the " Retail" version of the game better, why would it matter if your in the Alpha Version?

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1: it's always a bad thing when paying customers are fed incorrect information. It's also quite problematic if the press picks it up.

2: Paying customers should always get first dibs over freeloaders. It's a very basic concept of customer satisfaction and loyalty. Going against it sets a bad precedent.

3: It's statistically very safe to assume that those that are passionate about this game enough to keep paying a monthly fee will test it a lot more throughly than someone that abandoned it mid way. Testing a game that, as you said, includes all the problems endemic of an unfinished products is majorly a matter of passion and dedication, which are pretty necessary not to get frustrated after the first few bugs and ragequit. Those that didn't have an active account already demonstrated to be lacking in that department.

I'm most certanly not ripping my hair off about it. I do believe I'm expressing the concept in a rather balanced manner. Mind you, I'm not even insulting anyone, while others are. That'd be a more telling sign of anger.

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiKayla

I've still yet to see proof of "inactive" players got into alpha >.> i think it was just something made up to rage about and everyone's falling for a fail troll

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All SE has to do is to deny the allegation, isn't it? They did not, while they had plenty chances to.

Dear lord. I think it is time to

http://i49.tinypic.com/21m6kpe.jpg

There would still be threads full of people complaining about not getting in regardless of whether or not "non-legacy" applications were accepted. It seems like one big giant straw man to me.

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As an aside, thank you Mr.Yoshida and the community team for that post. It's nice to hear from the horse's mouth what most anybody should have deduced was the criteria for selecting members for an alpha which by design exists to stress test new servers. Sadly this is the XIV forums, and making logical deductions isn't really the norm around here.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

1: it's always a bad thing when paying customers are fed incorrect information. It's also quite problematic if the press picks it up.

2: Paying customers should always get first dibs over freeloaders. It's a very basic concept of customer satisfaction. Going against it sets a bad precedent.

3: It's statistically very safe to assume that those that are passionate about this game enough to keep paying a monthly fee will test it a lot more throughly than someone that abandoned it mid way. Testing a game that, as you said, includes all the problems endemic of an unfinished products is majorly a matter of passion and dedication, which are pretty necessary not to get frustrated after the first few bugs and ragequit. Those that didn't have an active account already demonstrated to be lacking in that department.



All SE has to do is to deny the allegation, isn't it? They did not, while they had plenty chances to.

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Where is this proof that inactives got in other than "other peoples" word? Do you have any? Would be so kind as to show me this proof?

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Ah, sarcasm with a sprinkle of passive aggressiveness on top, the perfect way to try and hide a weak position.

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lol Yeah, I'm weak, from laughter! :D I am so enjoying rattling your cage. Even got you to admit you were ticked off. In a "calm way", of course! This isn't the first time I've made an angry person a small hobby in a thread. Not even the most notable. But it is enjoyable, nonetheless!

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Only that there's no fact to be denied, only your very biased opinion that you try so hard to pass as fact. Doesn't work like that.

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Now I can't tell if you're really in denial of just ignorant of the facts. Either way, it's kind of sad in a funny sort of way. lol

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Originally Posted by Abriael

I'm quite sure it's very clear who here doesn't know what he's talking about. And it isn't me

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Says the calm ticked off person! lol Omg, you're a riot!

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Originally Posted by Abriael

You seem to be very bent in passing the idea that since blunders "happen" they shouldn't be taken seriously. Yeah, doesn't work like that.

Mind you, if you want to work in the development industry as you stated before, I suggest you lose this idea as soon as possible, because I can tell you from experience: it's not gonna fly.

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And you seem bent in passing the idea that small barely important blunders should be treated with as much urgency as huge, company destroying mistakes. Which I'm sure, in some strange bizarro world, they should. Unfortunately, this is earth, and that's where your logic fails. :D

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Originally Posted by Abriael

What they do is inconsequential. You're not allowed to insult them. May want to come to terms with this idea.

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Again, insulting and telling the harsh truth is not the same thing. If they can act like crybabies, I can call them out about it. And I will. (shrug)

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Originally Posted by Abriael

You mean posting a lengthy post that probably took Yoshi at least a hour to compose and the PR department some more to review? That seems to be a rather serious response.

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Oh my god, he posted something!!! He must be terrified!!!!

lol Give me a break, man. XD

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Originally Posted by Abriael

No, I'm no "corporate genious", but I do share quite a bit of experience in that world, besides a rather strong education in business with a degree in brand management.

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And yet, you think mis-information about a closed alpha is srs bzns. lol I want to go to business school where you went. I bet it's... interesting.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Adding smileys is a rather sad attempt to hide the insulting nature of your posts. if you can't understand the fact that you're breaking the rules of the forums, other than behaving in an extremely impolite and disrespectful way, I can't really help you.

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I'm not hiding anything, lol I'm clearly stating that people who whine and cry out of some false sense of entitlement are whiners and crybabies. No hiding, no false messages, no beating around the bush. There it is, blunt as can be. And I don't need your help getting that message across. Thanks for offering, though! You sweetie. :)

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Originally Posted by Tsuga

There would still be threads full of people complaining about not getting in regardless of whether or not "non-legacy" applications were accepted. It seems like one big giant straw man to me.

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Can't say I disagree with that one, lol. Yep, it's gonna happen, company blunder or not.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Where is this proof that inactives got in other than "other peoples" word? Do you have any? Would be so kind as to show me this proof?

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There have been plenty reports of it over twitter and in fan forums. There have also been people here that tested with another inactive account if they could apply.

Where is the proof that it didn't happen again? all SE has to do is to deny it. Yet they aren't.

I'm very willing to believe whatever official statement SE makes on the issue.

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

lol Yeah, I'm weak, from laughter! :D I am so enjoying rattling your cage. Even got you to admit you were ticked off. In a "calm way", of course! This isn't the first time I've made an angry person a small hobby in a thread. Not even the most notable. But it is enjoyable, nonetheless!

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Do forgive me if I condense, because it's getting tedious, so I'll skip all the little personal jabs that bring nowhere in order to keep the conversation focused.

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And you seem bent in passing the idea that small barely important blunders should be treated with as much urgency as huge, company destroying mistakes.

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I'm very curious to see you quote where I said that small blunders should be treated with "as much urgency" as huge ones.

Do humor me.

Continuing to misrepresent your interlocutor's opinion because you can't counter it in its original form doesn't really work that well, you know?

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Again, insulting and telling the harsh truth is not the same thing. If they can act like crybabies, I can call them out about it. And I will. (shrug)

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First of all, you're not the harbringer of the "truth". It's no more than your very personal opinion.

It doesn't matter how much you think an insult applies to someone. It remains an insult. The rules are there for everyone to see. I'll link them for your convenience. Do read them.

Mind you, you should have done it before you started to post.

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Oh my god, he posted something!!! He must be terrified!!!!

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Do quote where I stated he's "terrified". if you can't, you may want to cut on the strawman arguments. As I said previously, they're tedious.

He reacted, quite extensively considering his busy schedule. Which means he's not taking the situation lightly.

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I'm not hiding anything, lol I'm clearly stating that people who whine and cry out of some false sense of entitlement are whiners and crybabies. No hiding, no false messages, no beating around the bush. There it is, blunt as can be. And I don't need your help getting that message across. Thanks for offering, though! You sweetie. :)

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Good, you may want to know that your bluntness is against the forum rules, not to mention the basic rules of civil discussion.

Wow, great info! Thanks Yoshi-P! *keeps refreshing email* ^^

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiKayla

I've still yet to see proof of "inactive" players got into alpha >.> i think it was just something made up to rage about and everyone's falling for a fail troll

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Wait... hold up... you mean to tell me that there's not even any proof that that happened? And Abriael's response it is "Well, they didn't deny it, so it must be true".

Really!? I mean... really!?

Oh my god!! LMAO!!! :D You know what, I'm going to be merciful and just... cut it off here. I'll pass the torch to someone else. I'm laughing almost too hard to type anything anyway.

My sides are going to be splitting about this one for a while!!! I need to go watch something sad so I can stop! LOLOL!!!

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Originally Posted by Abriael

There have been plenty reports of it over twitter and in fan forums. There have also been people here that tested with another inactive account if they could apply. Where is the proof that it didn't happen again? all SE has to do is to deny it. Yet they aren't.



Do forgive me if I condense, because it's getting tedious, so I'll skip all the little personal jabs that bring nowhere in order to keep the conversation focused.



I'm very curious to see you quote where I said that small blunders should be treated with "as much urgency" as huge ones.

Do humor me.

Continuing to misrepresent your interlocutor's opinion because you can't counter it in its original form doesn't really work that well, you know?



First of all, you're not the harbringer of the "truth". It's no more than your very personal opinion.

It doesn't matter how much you think an insult applies to someone. It remains an insult. The rules are there for everyone to see. I'll link them for your convenience. Do read them.

Mind you, you should have done it before you started to post.



Do quote where I stated he's "terrified". if you can't, you may want to cut on the strawman arguments. As I said previously, they're tedious.

He reacted, quite extensively considering his busy schedule. Which means he's not taking the situation lightly.



Good, you may want to know that your bluntness is against the forum rules, not to mention the basic rules of civil discussion.

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All it takes is one person to start a fire, and other people is like the spread of the fire. Link to these "reports" if you would.

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

Wait... hold up... you mean to tell me that there's not even any proof that that happened? And Abriael's response it is "Well, they didn't deny it, so it must be true".

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In absence of an official denial, there's plenty reason to believe multiple reports, especially when corroborated by the fact that applying for the alpha with an inactive account is proved to work now, when it previously didn't.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

In absence of an official denial, there's plenty reason to believe multiple reports, especially when corroborated by the fact that applying for the alpha with an inactive account is proved to work now, when it previously didn't.

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Again links please.

if they did or didnt not like they can tell us NDA but then again not like i care

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Again links please.

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Yes, links! Please!

O/

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Again links please.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post904407

Here's an easy one for your convenience. For the rest, I do believe google isn't censored in your country. Call me when you have any element to disprove the claim, will you?

As for me, before I disbelieve a long standing member of this forum and the many others in the thread that confirm what he says (that could be banned if the information he posts proves to be false, as per rules, and guess what, they're not banned), I'll wait for contrary evidence.

So far, I've seen none.

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

You know what, I'm going to be merciful and just... cut it off here.

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Thank you. Next time, try to not clutter every third sentence with "lol". It makes you look even worse.

Well, it already happened, regardless of whether those were inactive accounts or not. There is no changing it now, but lets just hope that we get in the next phase.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post904407

Here's an easy one for your convenience. For the rest, I do believe google isn't censored in your country. Call me when you have any element to disprove the claim, will you?

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Um, isn't the burden of proof on the one who...

Oh, nvm. LOL Okay, word of mouth from someone who seems upset they didn't get in. Okay! SOunds legit! Thanks, man!

LOL!!!! Omg, I love you! They need to add friend requests to these forums!

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Originally Posted by Recycler

Thank you. Next time, try to not clutter every third sentence with "lol". It makes you look even worse.

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Sure whatever you say man!

LOL :)

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

Um, isn't the burden of proof on the one who...

Oh, nvm. LOL Okay, word of mouth from someone who seems upset they didn't get in. Okay! SOunds legit! Thanks, man!

LOL!!!! Omg, I love you! They need to add friend requests to these forums!

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He was referring to one of many "reports" that this has been happening. Maybe they aren't true, maybe they are, but they are indeed "reports" of the very same scenario.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post904407

Here's an easy one for your convenience. For the rest, I do believe google isn't censored in your country. Call me when you have any element to disprove the claim, will you?

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How is the proof again? Other people words? I can say I get in the Alpha right now does that mean I got in? Nope not by a long shot. ( and I really didn't get in).

As soon as you give me an "actual" link that has Proof "outside" of the forums, that state that "other people got in. Then I will admit your right on that aspect. However, I will not agree that you should have a blockbuster party that Other people that have a fair shot at getting in. ( I'm in the same boat as you are Legacy player Active account and so on) and I'm not kicking peoples Gonads over it.

Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence.

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Originally Posted by Nuru

Well, it already happened, regardless of whether those were inactive accounts or not. There is no changing it now, but lets just hope that we get in the next phase.

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That's exactly the matter. The backlash about this phase hopefully will encourage SE to keep to the rules they stated themselves for the next.

Past errors teach for the future.

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Originally Posted by Nuru

He was referring to one of many "reports" that this has been happening. Maybe they aren't true, maybe they are, but they are indeed "reports" of the very same scenario.

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Big deal, I can "report" that there's a purple polka-dotted chocobo outside my door right now. So... (shrug) Ah heck, maybe it IS happening. Who's to say?

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

Big deal, I can "report" that there's a purple polka-dotted chocobo outside my door right now. So... (shrug) Ah heck, maybe it IS happening. Who's to say?

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Bahahahaha! I think I would die of laughter If I actually saw one even! XD

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Originally Posted by Starlord

How is the proof again? Other people words? I can say I get in the Alpha right now does that mean I got in? Nope not by a long shot. ( and I really didn't get in).

As soon as you give me an "actual" link that has Proof "outside" of the forums, that state that "other people got in. Then I will admit your right on that aspect.

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I am not required to waste my time to look for further cases when I already provided many included in that thread. Call me when you have even a single element to disprove their claims.

As a matter of fact, it being posted in this forum adds solidity to the claim, as whatever is written in other forums brings no consequence. Here there can be consequences for posting false information.

Logic would dictate that long standing members of this community wouldn't plainly lie about the issue when such an action can cost them their account, as per forum rules.

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However, I will not agree that you should have a blockbuster party that Other people that have a fair shot at getting in. ( I'm in the same boat as you are Legacy player Active account and so on) and I'm not kicking peoples Gonads over it.

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I'm not sure what you meant with that. You may want to clarify, because it's a tad garbled.

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

Big deal, I can "report" that there's a purple polka-dotted chocobo outside my door right now. So... (shrug) Ah heck, maybe it IS happening. Who's to say?

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You can just put your nose out of the window and confirm or deny that allegation. Just another comparison that doesn't fit the case.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

I am not required to waste my time to look for further cases when I already provided many included in that thread. Call me when you have even a single element to disprove their claims.

Logic would dictate that long standing members of this community wouldn't plainly lie about the issue when such an action can cost them their account, as per forum rules.

[quite]However, I will not agree that you should have a blockbuster party that Other people that have a fair shot at getting in. ( I'm in the same boat as you are Legacy player Active account and so on) and I'm not kicking peoples Gonads over it.

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I am not required to waste my time

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Cased closed I rest my case

PS: you sure can waist time on pointless rants, but you don't have the time to give an actual source, funny XD.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Bahahahaha! I think I would die of laughter If I actually saw one even! XD

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Yeah, we could all probably provide proof of that before I could provide proof of people without an account getting into alpha, though. lol Ah well, much ado about nothing. :P

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

Big deal, I can "report" that there's a purple polka-dotted chocobo outside my door right now. So... (shrug) Ah heck, maybe it IS happening. Who's to say?

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I know what you are getting at, but think of it this way. Maybe that report will lead to the case of the Robber who wears a purple polka-dotted chocobo suit? What a twist!

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Originally Posted by Abriael

That's exactly the matter. The backlash about this phase hopefully will encourage SE to keep to the rules they stated themselves for the next.

Past errors teach for the future.

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This is what I am hoping for, but nothing has been proven or has been set in stone. Out of the many applicants who have applied for the alpha test, have got chosen. We were just some of the unlucky ones, or maybe we just have a better chance at getting into a more complete testing phase where we can test out the content that matches our interests on the test application. That would seem to be more likely and fit for the situation.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Cased closed I rest my case

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Because you obviously have no means to disprove what is being said, so you're evading the issue.