Game pad vs Keyboard

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Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna

End of the fucking thread. Christ I've been trying to say this since forever.


The accuracy of a mouse is entirely dependent on the user. Period. No matter how well they calibrate it beforehand, at the end of the day the mouse goes where YOU point. If you miss, the mouse misses.

A keyboard is always 100% accurate. It will never miss. Ever. EVER. And hitting a key is faster than manually moving a mouse. Period. You cannot move your hand faster than I can twitch my finger. Thats all there is to it.


So really, if we remove the player variable the mouse loses. A mouse can only be superior if your hands move like lightning and you never miss a target ever.

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To use your same logic, a mouse never misses either. If it takes 3 tabs to get the target you want, but you accidentally hit it 4 times, you now have to reposition and/or re-tab through the targets. The user plays a role in degrading keyboard use just as much as you say it does with the mouse. Oops I hit 6 instead of 7 and use Holy instead of PoM.

Also, Say you can twitch your finger faster than moving my mouse, however in that time i've already targeted my mob, you may not have, you may still have a tab or two to go to get to your target.

Remove the human element and bias and you can see which input method is going to be better for a given game. I've said it MANY times already that KB/Mouse is hindered due to the current interface, but the control scheme is superior for this type of game.

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Originally Posted by ispano

To use your same logic, a mouse never misses either. If it takes 3 tabs to get the target you want, but you accidentally hit it 4 times, you now have to reposition and/or re-tab through the targets. The user plays a role in degrading keyboard use just as much as you say it does with the mouse. Oops I hit 6 instead of 7 and use Holy instead of PoM.

Also, Say you can twitch your finger faster than moving my mouse, however in that time i've already targeted my mob, you may not have, you may still have a tab or two to go to get to your target.

Remove the human element and bias and you can see which input method is going to be better for a given game. I've said it MANY times already that KB/Mouse is hindered due to the current interface, but the control scheme is superior for this type of game.

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wait we are playing the same game right? You know the one where when you click in a group of mobs (especially if they are moving) there is a high chance that it is not going to select the one you intended so it could take you a few clicks. Also its not like it really matters since you in no way have to be locked onto the middle mob for your AoE to hit them. You are treating this game like it takes so much precision to be highly successful, sorry to inform you but it doesn't. You can try and push the KB+M > controller agenda all day but like said so many times neither is better then the other its all about preference.

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Originally Posted by ispano

Except when you compare two devices or two input methods. Sure you compare them for yourself, but you know, many people can do either one just as well as the other and then it comes down to which one is better on its own merits, not what Player A said he prefers on a forum. 3 Quick Tabs? By that time i'm already casting.

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No you are not. 3 tabs is about as long as it would take you to point your mouse lol. And thats assuming you dont misclick.

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Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna

No you are not. 3 tabs is about as long as it would take you to point your mouse lol. And thats assuming you dont misclick.

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What are you on about? Most of us aren't still running an old ball mouse with an extremely low DPI.

I could point my mouse in about half a second assuming the sensitivity was calibrated correctly and the DPI was at an acceptable level.

Let's not forget that a misclick can be easily rectified by pressing either thumb button depending whether you're one behind or ahead. (It still happens rarely, about as often as tapping tab an extra time)

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

What are you on about? Most of us aren't still running an old ball mouse with an extremely low DPI.

I could point my mouse in about half a second assuming the sensitivity was calibrated correctly and the DPI was at an acceptable level.

Let's not forget that a misclick can be easily rectified by pressing either thumb button depending whether you're one behind or ahead. (It still happens rarely, about as often as tapping tab an extra time)

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And youre saying you cant hit tab 3 times about as fast?

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Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna

And youre saying you cant hit tab 3 times about as fast?

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Yes, that is what they are implying...we the generation that grew up with console controllers, joysticks, duck hunt guns etc in our hands, can't tab as quickly as one can move a mouse.

BTW: IN RL i've had to have both 'clicker fingers' tested (was in a car accident, have injuries long story). My ability to click is that fast, it is literally off the charts...turns out growing up playing NES and taking piano lessons for years might have done something...

That said, once again, this is a PREFERENCE thing. You know what effects your skill in this game the most? You ability to quickly see, interpret, predict and respond to the situation. Your brain screws you up (or helps you) WAAAAAAYYYYY more than your KB,KB+Mouse or Controller does.

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Originally Posted by Kinseykinz

Yes, that is what they are implying...we the generation that grew up with console controllers, joysticks, duck hunt guns etc in our hands, can't tab as quickly as one can move a mouse.

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>_> I didn't want to believe it to be true...

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BTW: IN RL i've had to have both 'clicker fingers' tested (was in a car accident, have injuries long story). My ability to click is that fast, it is literally off the charts...turns out growing up playing NES and taking piano lessons for years might have done something...

That said, once again, this is a PREFERENCE thing. You know what effects your skill in this game the most? You ability to quickly see, interpret, predict and respond to the situation. Your brain screws you up (or helps you) WAAAAAAYYYYY more than your KB,KB+Mouse or Controller does.

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Right? Gamers grew up on consoles, controllers, and hitting buttons at godlike speeds. I dont know where this idea that its slow is coming from. Clearly we've forgotten about arcades, fight sticks, long complicated button inputs, etc etc. Smh.

But amen!

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Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna

And youre saying you cant hit tab 3 times about as fast?

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Slightly slower, plus it has more room for error.

And I'm a fast typer.

Well yes, it is preference. But making the assumption that you can't click very fast is a bit silly. Especially with the amount of gaming mice, and pro gamers.

And I was also in the generation that played games as a kid. I had my Amiga and Atari, and I used both my joystick and mouse often.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

Slightly slower, plus it has more room for error.

And I'm a fast typer.

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It cannot possibly be more prone to error than a mouse surely. Clearly you are just better with a mouse. This isnt even taking into account when mobs are clusterfucked together to the point that clicking the right one has a low probability rate. And its not so much typing as it is digit dexterity. The finger you tab with is probably just slow, because its not trained to be fast. I'm a fast typer but im a slow tabber. Yet if I use my controller (which uses dpad targetting) I'm much faster because my thumbs have been trained to be quick movers (console games say hi).

EDIT: And I never made that assumption. I was merely correcting the exaggeration that somehow the OP would be midcast by the time someone tabbed 3 times.