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Just seems redundant...weapon specialization=classes, jobs=role specialization...but guess what...we already put classes into role specializations...gla is our default tank, mrd is dd/back up tank, thm is our caster dd, cnj healer/back up caster dd...so if we alrdy do it...what will jobs do that would be any different...all SE needs to do is add those abilities they were going to use for jobs to classes and leave everything else the same and we are set...

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Originally Posted by Allistar

Just seems redundant...weapon specialization=classes, jobs=role specialization...but guess what...we already put classes into role specializations...gla is our default tank, mrd is dd/back up tank, thm is our caster dd, cnj healer/back up caster dd...so if we alrdy do it...what will jobs do that would be any different...all SE needs to do is add those abilities they were going to use for jobs to classes and leave everything else the same and we are set...

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Players put them into the roles, not SE. What SE wanted to do was basically allow for classes to be the flexible ones while jobs were the specialized ones. Weapon = Classes was a mistake to begin with, though. In FFXI for example RDM could use Staff, Dagger, Club, Sword and even Crossbows, likewise a Paladin could use Sword, some Daggers, Staff, Club and Bows.

It basically limits what can be done class/job wise because Gladiator for example can use Daggers which is an iconic weapon of assassin type classes. (Dancer, Thief, Rogue etc.)

It's easiest to think of classes as proficiency with a type of weapon alone. A class is very general and can be shaped into a variety of roles by cross-classing the proper skills.

A job is more of a declaration of what role you will be playing in a party. It is a profession towards which you devote your weapon proficiency. The quests I expect will be quite heavy in lore that will have you learning the secrets of the job you are working towards.

I imagine the way these two systems work so effectively as layers of the armory system will become more apparent with their release and even more so when more jobs branching from the same classes are added.

Its not a perfect system...sure there needs to changes but there is still nothing wrong with the classes being put into roles by us...we know what we need when we need it...

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Originally Posted by Allistar

Its not a perfect system...sure there needs to changes but there is still nothing wrong with the classes being put into roles by us...we know what we need when we need it...

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With classes as they are no matter how many class you level and skills you get there still isn't a very unique feel between them. Felxibility + uniqueness just don't go hand in hand. This two-layered idea gives players the best of both worlds.

I hope it does...I want nothing more than for this game to succeed...

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Players put them into the roles, not SE. What SE wanted to do was basically allow for classes to be the flexible ones while jobs were the specialized ones. Weapon = Classes was a mistake to begin with, though. In FFXI for example RDM could use Staff, Dagger, Club, Sword and even Crossbows, likewise a Paladin could use Sword, some Daggers, Staff, Club and Bows.

It basically limits what can be done class/job wise because Gladiator for example can use Daggers which is an iconic weapon of assassin type classes. (Dancer, Thief, Rogue etc.)

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In my opinion it would make a lot of things simpler if SE made Classes change into Jobs as a class advancement, making each job overwrite the corresponding class, rather than tacking on another system on top of an already cumbersome armory system.

I understand Jobs level through quest, but if a Job was made to be a class advancement you could still level as you would usually, but still get all the other benefits like the gear and skills through quests as you do now.

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Originally Posted by Zeref

In my opinion it would make a lot of things simpler if SE made Classes change into Jobs as a class advancement, making each job overwrite the corresponding class, rather than tacking on another system on top of an already cumbersome armory system.

I understand Jobs level through quest, but if a Job was made to be a class advancement you could still level as you would usually, but still get all the other benefits like the gear and skills through quests as you do now.

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Then you're missing the entire point.

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Originally Posted by Zeref

In my opinion it would make a lot of things simpler if SE made Classes change into Jobs as a class advancement, making each job overwrite the corresponding class, rather than tacking on another system on top of an already cumbersome armory system.

I understand Jobs level through quest, but if a Job was made to be a class advancement you could still level as you would usually, but still get all the other benefits like the gear and skills through quests as you do now.

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As Noctis said, that would undermine the point of adding Jobs, which is to make you good in a party setting at the cost of flexibility.

Basically, because SE is using the "change classes at any time" route on this game like Phantasy Star Universe/Phantasy Star Online 2, they wanted to still have a way to make "defined" roles without forcing you to stay as one class the whole game, as in games like Aion/Tera/etc. So they did this.

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Originally Posted by AlphaDragoon

As Noctis said, that would undermine the point of adding Jobs, which is to make you good in a party setting at the cost of flexibility.

Basically, because SE is using the "change classes at any time" route on this game like Phantasy Star Universe/Phantasy Star Online 2, they wanted to still have a way to make "defined" roles without forcing you to stay as one class the whole game, as in games like Aion/Tera/etc. So they did this.

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re-read what you wrote...we're not forced to stay as one class...we can switch and change any time we want...we can define the classes as we need...