The cycle of disbanding that keep casuals from doing content

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

There is no strawman. I merely pointed to a concrete example demonstrating that I very much value time of all the players. Not just end game raiders.

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You posting a quote from a community rep doesn't do that at all.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

When you make a blanket statement like, "people don't care" which proven false by the simple fact of the counter example of the OP's starting post for this thread.

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It's proven false simply by talking to my FC mumble. Even even 2 people say they don't care then people don't care. People a word that can mean two or more persons. I didn't say half the game or more. Just people. We've had these conversations before in my fc and I can guarantee you by virtue of hearing it with my own ears that more than 4 people have specifically told me they don't care about players not in the guild because they don't have time. You expecting specifics to prove a point that any MMO player intrinsically knows is ridiculous since even in real society people generally don't care about every single person they walk by yet somehow you think that's different in an MMO. An MMO. A place where anonymity is one of the strongest features.

Once again you ignore the meat of the argument to nitpick ridiculous obvious parts. You've got nothing here. Needs more deal with it.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

When you make a blanket statement like, "people don't care" which proven false by the simple fact of the counter example of the OP's starting post for this thread.

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However if people did care about helping others, then this thread would not exist as OP would have found a team or at least found people to help him/her out. You're trying to argue semantics. "Some" people care, most, probably, do not.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

2 people don't care does not equal all people don't care. When you make a blanket statement that "people don't care" you did not specify it is those select people you talked too. You are misrepresenting your facts. Obviously the fact is enough people do care, hence this thread.

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The opposite is exactly as true. Those who are ostracized will speak up.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

... Even even 2 people say they don't care then people don't care. ...

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2 people don't care does not equal all people don't care. When you make a blanket statement that "people don't care" you did not specify it is those select people you talked too. You are misrepresenting your facts. Obviously the fact is enough people do care, hence this thread.

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Originally Posted by Exstal

.. You're trying to argue semantics. "Some" people care, ...

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And most probably do care. And sematics are crucial especially when there are irresponsible and imprecise statements falsely representing their tiny sample size as if represented everyone.

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Originally Posted by craig_meredith2003

A lot of that could be settled with being able to solo que Scob, that is on SE not the players

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EXACTLY.
And what is the best thing a player can do when "that is on SE"? Maybe... open a thread in the official forums?

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

2 people don't care does not equal all people don't care.

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I never once said it did mean everyone now did I? In your zest to continue to nit pick you aren't even getting it right and you continue to miss the entire point. Good day to you sir.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

these people want to take out it on other players thru means like clear selling. Instead of having open and fair competition, they want to manipulate things so they can take advantage of the innocent..

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Oh the innocent, the poor souls. You have a very childish concept of the raider and the casual. The raider is this devil being with horns with an evil grin that continuously tries to find ways to abuse on the innocent. That's what he thinks about all day. Everything the raider does is for that goal. The casual is this puppy-eyed angel one that gets abused.

Even in your continuous war against these clear sellers you only blame the ones that sell the clears but never the ones that buy it, you know the ones that actually encouraged this strange behavior in the first place. I know who these innocents are, these poor souls that are forced to buy apparently. They're the ones that don't want to be bothered in learning a fight, going through days and days of wiping like everyone else that actually raids went through. They want the cheap way out. They're no innocents so spare us the tears please.

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Originally Posted by AlexionSkylark

EXACTLY.
And what is the best thing a player can do when "that is on SE"? Maybe... open a thread in the official forums?

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I agree with the thread idea 100%, but the fact that some have turned into a players problem I don't

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Originally Posted by AlexionSkylark

EXACTLY.
And what is the best thing a player can do when "that is on SE"? Maybe... open a thread in the official forums?

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SE most likely has the stats on clears for T6-T9. Putting these on the DF before there is enough players with clears to seed it with a base level of experience will probably lead to more futile frustrations. Or it could be that SE has schedule it wants to maintain.

But I can only imagine how much rage quitting will happen and it will probably be even worse than that. There is common saying for SCoB, "it is where your friends kill you not the boss." Just image voice is not pointed the right way and both healer are stoned in T7, or the red and yellow meteors are placed too close to each other on T9.

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Originally Posted by craig_meredith2003

.. but the fact that some have turned into a players problem I don't

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It is very much a player problem. Putting it on the DF will only move the problem to rage quitting on the DF. Perhaps that is better than not getting a party on the PF in the first place, but the problem is and always will be the players.

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Originally Posted by Edli

...The raider is this devil being with horns with an evil grin that continuously tries to find ways to abuse on the innocent.....

Even in your continuous war against these clear sellers ...

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I never said raiders were the ones with horns. You did. I didn't equate them to the clear sellers, but it seems they get tied together by people claiming to be raiders but gladly selling clears. I'd be fine with the two being separate, but it seems you want to tie them together too.

Personally I really don't like these so-called 'clear sellers' much,not because they're 'unethical' but because they're exploiting people with the game's "gating" contents,something that everyone who paid for this game should attempt by themselves.

Also one can only wonder where all those gils eventually went to,but whatever,SE doesn't seem to give a crap anyway.

Lastly I want to say that I feel I had a lot more fun during 20-50 than this crappy endgame where it seems to breed enmity,elitism and dissatisfaction all around. It's kinda funny,those people from 14 days trial most likely won't stick around because they haven't seen the best part after 20 and most players who get past it wouldn't bother with the irritating endgame. With people coming in after each new patch and then leaving almost instantly after doing what little they can I think there's a clear destination where this game is heading to,vanity shop being the first sign of examples.

The problem is, "seeding the DF with experience" will only lead to a similar experience that you have on PF.

I can assure you 100% from experience that the most successful parties on DF for this kind of endgame content are the ones that DON'T have people with experience. Those parties are the ones that people will stick through till they clear it.
Experienced people only want a quick clear, and WILL rage quit after 1 or 2 wipes, thus disbanding the group. If that's what SE is looking for, they are shooting themselves in the foot.