A little vent.
Repeat with me: "If the tank don't pull more, don't run ahead and pull more to force the tank to tank them."
For the love of god. What's this stupid obsesion stop someday?
A healer did that on a Ex roulette. He died before could reach me after pull those extra mobs he pulled ahead. Of course I died too, not only beause he was far away doing the tank job, but also seems he cosidered more important go get extra mobs than HEAL the tank. Then he supposed it is my fault. Sorry but not. You suicide yourself, not blame others for that. If you want finish a dungeon in 5 minutes get a party of friends and speedrun to hell everything and let people in DF in peace.
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10-23-2016, 11:41 PMXlantaa
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10-23-2016, 11:58 PMKanitezzI'm with you on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xlantaa
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10-24-2016, 12:04 AMcammiI remembered I complained about people doing that when I was tanking on my DRK. I don't know why people do that and think it's ok. I told them they can tank, and they complained and I told them " If you want to tank LEVEL ONE! " People are just selfish cause it's all about "their" time and yours doesn't matter. Next time it happens to me I'mma start doing their job and stop doing mine.See how they like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xlantaa
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10-24-2016, 12:53 AMJib
Just had my first kick from a dungeon .. ever! ... after years of playing mmos.
Im not the best player out there, im not the worst. Im very respectful, friendly. I play games to have fun.
Decided to level my long forgotten Bard level 35. Hadnt touched it in months. Queued DF - popped Temple of Qarn.
Other 3 players overlevelled, synced to level 37. Tank was a WAR level 60 cant remember the dps and healer.
We say hellos, everything goes well we do first boss no problems.
Then that part with the heads appear that you need to take one head to each glowing platform. I just put my dots on each of them thinking it would give enough time. Tank loses agro.. on both .... to me (mind you after i checked this tank had majority of jobs completed and was level 60. I am actual level 35 with low gear). As i got agro I go to correct position for the heads but during the situation of "losing agro getting agro back" ... the heads arent positioned correctly... they die and then come alive again...
No biggy I thought it happens...
Then on chat appears from tank "GOOD JOB KUPPO!!"
Normally i never respond .. i just ignore but i did write. "Well a tank synced to level 37 that loses agro on adds to level 35 Bard ... What is your level again?"
No response.. few seconds later .......... Duty has finished!!
I was KICKED!!!
No conversation, no warning .. nothing.
Now probably i could have just waited for tank to position the heads completely and not do any DPS.. but him being a level 60 WAR i just thought i would be speeding up just putting my dots only. They had to be a group of friends i gather.
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I filled my first report ever...
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10-24-2016, 01:03 AMcammiQuote:
Originally Posted by Jib
Another example of the me me me issue people have in this game. Not you mind you, the tank you had to deal with. If he wasn't trying to be sonic he would've be able to fix the issue and move on. But NOPE, he lost aggro and had to run back to do something that cost at what? 2 mins? I'm glad you filed that report so good on you :D. What is up with people trying to speed run everything? There's no excuse, if you need to go do something, don't que for a dungeon then. Sorry you had to deal with that tank. -
10-24-2016, 02:01 AMMysterysword
Day Whatever of trying to get my A11 drop.
Nope, clearing this is apparently still impossible. Between a new tank who refused to pick up the E.D.D, letting it smack the healers around whenever it came up, and who thought the GA-100 marker signaled a stacking mechanic, therefore killing me and only me by trying to stack with me, healers who kept getting themselves killed by whatever and therefore couldn't keep up with Prey (which, of 4 possible targets, chose to target me, the only one with Weakness from being killed by the tank...) and DPS who, upon dying, just go back to the start, either accidentally or claiming that we wouldn't be able to clear it before enrage...
The urge to just curl up and cry in despair is tempting. -
10-24-2016, 02:01 AMKahnomI'll keep trying until the end of this month but I won't expect much at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Annah
My dps is somehow higher than a lot of people that have sophia weapons though so.. I might not need sophia weapon after all.
But that Lanner is so majestic... -
10-24-2016, 02:35 AMGenaxxhttp://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...4/3cd8a33a.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Rhyku
I wish I had some crazy stories to share, all of my runs go pretty smooth :confused: -
10-24-2016, 04:31 AMFrownyHate to be that guy, but you goofed... shouldn't toss a dot onto those adds until the tank moves them. They die too quick and they'd have to fight with a lot of flashes. They also flash the 2 and position, so they don't have much aggro to begin with (because the heads are so weak).Quote:
Originally Posted by Jib
I had an... interesting A7 run. 5 new people, 1 of them from my FC. Ok cool, see what happens. I'm healing as WHM, SCH is relying on eos WAY too much... We wipe twice, pointing out where things go wrong. This freaking bard.... he'd get a cage marker and proceed to hug all of us, tho we said several times "GET AWAY". This whole time, the other DPS were ignoring the small adds (come on, unless told otherwise killing adds isn't new) and the DRG refused to stun the paralysis AOE. Was one heck of a facepalm run... -
10-24-2016, 05:32 AMcammiQuote:
Originally Posted by Frowny
A good tank would've still handled the problem better than he did. There is no excuse for his actions, you don't get to be a dick just cause a 2 second delay happened. Get aggro, control the issue and move on. Crying like a baby cause you lost hate is not the answer. He was a bad tank for his actions. -
10-24-2016, 06:31 AMLmcgyver
Sooo... I landed in a 51 minute in-progress run of The Vault as a SCH yesterday. With alarm bells already ringing, I say hello and head over to Charibert. The DRG didn't seem to notice the shortcut (I'm assuming they had just wiped) and took the long way up, so I had a bit of time to take stock of the situation. First thing I notice is that the PLD has 11k HP. They are wearing mostly a mix of i90-i130 gear, with an i115 High Allagan Blade as their weapon, and an i90 ring of slaying.
... welp.
I'm not entirely sure how I managed to keep everyone alive; Charibert was deleting about half the tank's health every few seconds with his tank buster, the tank was making no real effort to dodge the knights, DPS was relatively slow (we killed the final two fireballs *after* his ultimate; luckily before they detonated)... I can see why the last healer left. I couldn't contribute any DPS to speed the fight up as I needed all my MP and Aetherflow for healing, AND I needed Eos out for the second half of the fight; but we took him down in one go.
And of course, no commendations. Gee, thanks. It's not like you just witnessed a miracle or anything. -
10-24-2016, 06:44 AMvanitaslaughingThat's literally almost the same run I had last year, relatively early into me levelling AST. Queued up for Vault, got a party with a Tank that had... suspiciously low hp. Aggro was bouncing EVERYWHERE, but by some miracle we didn't wipe until Charibert (and by miracle I mean the DPS plucking adds off me as I kept everyone alive).Quote:
Originally Posted by Lmcgyver
Charibert... Charibert. The PLD, by then I had noticed, was in Ironworks gear... with Ironworks slaying accessories (this was back when ye olde STR tank was viable, I don't miss these times).
PLD proceeds to make no effort to dodge anything, AOEs, Horses, ANYTHING. I'm bled dry MP-wise before the adds spawn because that guy takes so much damage (That was before AST received a certain number of buffs, yargh).
We wipe.
And wipe again.
And again.
I'm a patient player, I suggest the guy dodges.
We wipe again.
Upon respawn I look at the chat box.
"Heal, you idiot," in Say. Now, I repeat, I'm patient, especially with newbies like the PLD, I've grinned and bore my fair share of more than lacklustre parties.
That was the first time I snapped at some random, and a Newbie to boot. The DPS up at Charibert tried to soothe me with emotes, and we wiped again. And again. And once more. My nerves were already snapped, so I apologised to the DPS and initiated a Vote Abandon. That went through in 2 seconds. Didn't go to the Vault in a while after that, lmao. -
10-24-2016, 07:22 AMAverax
Is it just me or is there an extremely alarming amount of healers that don't quite know how to...react...
I got Sophia normal in the roulette again, and everything was going along, but people didn't know how to handle the one add so a couple people fell off. I get my swiftcast and raise off, then start hardcasting the next raise.
The WHM just sort of stood there. Didn't even try to raise
He made no attempt to heal the damage that was going out from her double AoE, the boss cut down 3 more people with that while i was still casting the raises. When he finally decided to act, he cast assize and one cure on the remaining tank and i'm just sitting there absolutely flabbergasted. There's no way you can just sit there and not notice that people are dropping like flies.
Healing trials really isn't hard, i can do it while i watch TV, but seriously, this was either severe incompetence or just negligence on his part. That fight isn't hard either, and i could probably solo heal it, but i kind of need some forewarning if the other healer is going to check out for a while.
And sometimes there is real life drama and people have to get up for a minute or two, and i get that, but seriously, it takes 2 seconds to type "RL stuff, AFK" -
10-24-2016, 09:41 AMJMadFour
my recent DF experience since switching to MCH has generally been, the Tank and the Healer arguing with each other about who sucks more, while I'm standing off to the side alternating between shrugging my shoulders and shooting things.
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10-24-2016, 11:10 AMHyoMinPark
More Sophia Ex today. Finally got my monk fists, and rolled another disappointing 15 on the birb (game why). Runs have all been very smooth. Except my most recent one that I raid finder'd. One of the healers got knocked off during the Aero she does during phase I. And afterwards demanded everyone jump off. All but me and the tank jumped, and then we were both like: "Why did everyone jump. The run was still very much salvageable."
Oh well. Second pull, and I was chosen as the sacrifice by the paladin. First person I attacked was the healer that demanded everyone to jump. XD
I just don't know with some people. -
10-24-2016, 12:11 PMAtoliI can't say I wasn't tempted..:pQuote:
Originally Posted by HyoMinPark
But I generally dislike reacting to rudeness in equal terms.
And it was a guildhest after all, so it's not like her refusal to do anything was stopping us from being able to finish it. It was just really infuriating xD
I'm slightly amused by how wary we already are by now once that situation happens..x)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lmcgyver
Decided to get my weekly roulette dungeons through mentor roulette with in-progress checked and exclusively got in-progress The Vault for all 3 runs.
Had about the same thought as you but every run was absolutely smooth and flawless, so I wonder what happened to all those healers.
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10-24-2016, 12:30 PMRhykuThat pic kinda summed up my reaction after that run :p And my friend joked after, that the crown probably does all the aggro attraction for me lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Genaxx
But I had a fantabulous Wiping after that horrid ACF run, where I walked away with 5 commends, so I guess it evens out :D
Also, Sophia Ex!
TL: DR, Goon didn't get her way with a vote dismiss and decided to pretty much afk in the re-run.
Just eat your penalty next time, honey, no one wants to see tantrum fits like that. -
10-24-2016, 01:22 PMLunaxia
I've been on a DPS levelling kick lately (I usually hop in duties on either WHM or AST), meaning I've been able to watch other healers at work for a change. Of course you always get the lazy ones, the DPS-intensive ones, the newbies and the pros, but I've noticed a trend among White Mages that has led to the birth of a new healer I shall call: Medica Mage.
When Medica Mages ask themselves, "what should I do here?", there's only ever one answer: Medica II!
Tank nearly dead? Medica II!
A party member in need of healing? Medica II!
Party dead and you're the last one alive? Medica II!
Do you need Esuna? ...Medica II!
Because who really needs the rest of those pesky buttons cluttering up their hotbar when you can use this miraculous, all-powerful wonder spell!
And please don't ask them about Cure III, it frightens them. -
10-24-2016, 05:09 PMFrownyWhat'd he do wrong? She made the mistake, he called her on it (any DPS knows not to touch the Qarn heads until they're positioned). They're just too squishy to be fighting over hate, unlike other mobs where it is "eh, whatever". Sorry but, if I was in his position and had a DPS get snarky when they messed up... I'd kick em too. Besides him going "good job, kuppo!" I can't see where the tank is in the wrong or how he's crying like a baby.Quote:
Originally Posted by cammi
Had a... think its Praetorium run earlier. The boss with the claws, tank insisted on tanking in the elctro goop. -
10-24-2016, 05:27 PMKeiranOliveYou forgot the most important situation:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lunaxia
The entire party at full health? Medica II x2 (I wish I was kidding)
I will never forget the day I happened upon a medica II spammer in LotA. She could have taught the tanks a thing or two about holding aggro. Also, it was the first and only time I have deliberately left my co-healer dead on the floor (she ran out of mp) while I slooooowly walked toward the exit and left the instance. -
10-24-2016, 05:31 PMFrownyHaha, LoTA she was doing this!? Dang, you hardly need to heal in that raid.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeiranOlive
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10-24-2016, 05:45 PMR4ND0MD3RPUZ3R
A run on AK Hard when I was leveling my Warrior on level 50 roulette, clearly saying I played it 1st time synced. Shortly after we started, our SMN pulled every single trash mob, going ham on every mob so I was unable to get aggro, getting out of TP and even out of MP from Flash cross-skill. (Consider was on tank stance, but every single time I was about to manage to get aggro, SMN decided to pull more mobs and going ham on those I was about to take).
Then I ask for strategy at bosses. Guess what? Ignored.
Only to end up after the dungeon the SMN told me to kill myself and to stop ever playing again because I ''suck'' at my job.
Not going to say names, all I say he seems to be on the same server as I am and became the 1st player ever to get blacklisted. :)
People like this are willing me to become that kind of tank of ''If you steal my aggro, you keep it.'' -
10-24-2016, 07:07 PMYhoiryo
Spamming trial roulette for new player bonuses on summoner
Get nidhogg story trial, I generally enjoy this one. New player bonus so yay, new tank and later on found out one of the healers was new as well, but ... right off the bat the new tank runs in and pulls the boss, he's very poorly geared, I'm sure he was the minimum ilvl which was 205, honestly it felt like he was lower than that, either way it was a nightmare, everyone started pulling hate all over the place and nidhogg cleaved everyone so it was a wipe. We ask our other tank to MT as we respawn in but right as we do the new tank quickly bails, sometimes I wonder ....
Next part was even more interesting, so we sit there for a few and chat, than we ask if we can get a new tank, our un-new healer who was the party leader said the same thing, that they wanted another tank, but ... they were the party leader and they weren't recruiting anyone, we asked them to but nothing. Than after a couple of minutes they leave as well ... ok ... soooo luckily the leader gets passed on to the tank who was still with us and they start recruiting, we fill in our missing healer and tank spot, new player bonus was still on thanks to the other healer.
Run is going smooth till we get to the second and last phase of nidhogg, new healer caked it on the second phase but they got rezzed, we move into the third and final phase and things are going ok until the new healer gets targeted with nidhoggs shared aoe attack, they start running away from everyone and everyone was chasing after them *que benny hill theme*. So we go chasing after the healer but all decide to run away after we realize it's to late, -boom- healers dead ... aaaaand since everyone is kind of spread out since we were chasing the healer we started getting solo nuked until the few of us got back in together, but both of our healers died in the process. I'm desperately trying to keep my hp up and it dips down to about 2k, was using leeches to survive the nukes, after the nukes stopped I quickly throw out a swiftcast rez to our un-new healer right before nidhogg aoe roars and I drop dead, they rez up and we have a tank who's just about to go down as well but we had LB3, rezzed healer immediately popped it and we all come back, finish beating down nidhogg and avoid a wipe.
What a roller coaster. -
10-24-2016, 07:08 PMSpiritMuseWow. That should be reported really. Telling someone to kill themselves (over a freaking game of all things) is just all kinds of wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by R4ND0MD3RPUZ3R
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10-24-2016, 07:09 PMHyoMinParkReport that player to a GM. Especially since he actually told you to go kill yourself. First of all, no one should ever say something like that ever to an individual. Second, no one should be allowed to get away with that type of behavior. And third, I know this is an online game people play with strangers, but why can't people just have some sense on common courtesy? Explaining strategies for the bosses in Amdapor Hard takes all of like 15 seconds. If even that. But no, seriously. Report them to a GM. They can go back and see the chat logs from the instance, and should take action against that player.Quote:
Originally Posted by R4ND0MD3RPUZ3R
With regards to the tanking style: I am that tank. When I tank, I pull at my pace. Not anyone else's (unless the healer is undergeared, then I will only pull as much as they can handle, and maybe a little less to allow them to DPS a little, if they so choose). If anyone runs ahead and tries to bring me presents in the form of more trash, I let them keep them. I will do nothing to take it off them. They usually seem to stop after I let the die. So it's not a bad tank style to go with. ;p
When you tank, you're the leader of the party. You take instances at your own pace and do what you are comfortable with. Don't let anyone (DPS, healer, or even the other tank if you're in an 8-man/24-man) dictate what you decide to do in a duty. Especially if you aren't comfortable with larger pulls, or riskier tanking (i.e., dropping tank stance). -
10-24-2016, 07:37 PMcammiFor making that insult and throwing a kick cause of one mistake. OH I guess you're perfect right? So noone is allowed a mistake ever, everyone MUST be perfect? Thats why his attitude was horrible and I'm glad he was reported. Like seriously? It's not like the person said - F you tank I do what I want- He snapped at her and kicked her for a tiny oops. It wasn't needed and if you're that picky over one tiny mistake then damn son. RELAX!Quote:
Originally Posted by Frowny
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10-24-2016, 07:50 PMMillerna
What makes me laugh the most in this thread is that it's somehow always someone else's fault ;)
Quite a while ago, when Alex Midas was still new, I went in blind. During the boss fight I saw some people turn into a gorilla. Now, being a huge gorilla fan, the moment I noticed how people were turning into a gorilla, I just had to do it as well. People saw I went gorilla, and expected me to know what to do, however I was just running and jumping around, just being happy to be a gorilla.
Shortly thereafter, the entire party got blown to bits by the bombs :D
(Of course, I was with friends, who know I love gorillas, so it was all good) -
10-24-2016, 07:53 PMErsilon
Wife and I got Chrysalis for trial roulette last night. One of the casters used the limit break at two bars, and it set off a caterwauling of despair from a tank, given his "its a wipe. someone wasted the LB" comment. The ninja, who must have been lusting after their apparently certain use of it, chimed in with "who tf used limit break?" Yeah, We cleared the trial on that very first attempt, totally a wipe, guys, and I regret very much that the whiners who were ready to give up from a perceived mistake supposedly dooming us all scurried out of the instance before I could post my sarcastic "yeah, it's a wipe, all right." I feel sorry for the newbie who had to deal with that defeatism.
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10-24-2016, 08:07 PMR4ND0MD3RPUZ3RQuote:
Originally Posted by HyoMinPark
Ah yeah, I reported him right after the dungeon and seemingly he was offline for 3-4 weeks after that. I will also never understand he is a mentor to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpiritMuse
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10-24-2016, 08:30 PMFrownyDid we read the same story... She snapped at him worse than he did her (and basically said that): "Well a tank synced to level 37 that loses agro on adds to level 35 Bard ... What is your level again?" Yes mistakes happen, but when you make a tank's job more difficult than necessary and then pin it on them?Quote:
Originally Posted by cammi
Had an odd AK run within the last hour. Tank was new, i90 gear and taking the pulls slowly. No problem, except the WHM in full i250 crafted would run to grab more mobs and it would get chaotic. At the last boss however, the WHM realized the tank was new (probably missed the tome bonus message) and apologized :O One of the few times I've seen someone eager for big pulls go "oh crap, you're new!? I'm so sorry". Restored some faith in humanity. -
10-24-2016, 08:39 PMcammiI still feel like he could've handled that better. That's just how I feel man. And since he started it yes I'm blaming him. He was 60, so he should've known how to control that better instead of getting mad at a simple tiny mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frowny
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10-24-2016, 08:51 PMAtoliThere are a lot of stories where people tell their own fails, too ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Millerna
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10-24-2016, 09:00 PMKallistra
Had probably the worst Weeping City with Selli today. We had some new people, one being in our Alliance, no big deal. No one is being overly patient, so they're only getting a really rough explanation of things. There's a lot of deaths on Forgall, but we didn't wipe. For some reason there's a fight between our Alliance and C. Wasn't really paying attention, to be honest.
Before Ozma, Selli asks if they can calm down long enough to explain mechanics, but they're still kind of going at it. So the party just focuses on explaining to our newbie. For all of Ozma the tank from C is complaining that everyone is attacking him just 'cause he's explaining mechanics and trying to help. No one is talking to this guy and he. won't. stop. complaining.
When we get to Calo, 2/3 of the raid was sick of him. Our tank is actively trying to kill off C (I think? Seemed like it anyway) and killing off 95% of the raid while doing it. Basically all of C is complaining until Calo dies, the tank then proceeds to hold up the minion/card loot to complain even more.
Selli tries to explain that doing nothing but fighting was hardly helping anyone, especially the new people because it was hard to follow any help they were giving with all the fighting and that they should have just dropped it. C calls her stupid and say she doesn't understand basic reading comprehension if she couldn't keep up. What a run. I just gtfo'd after that, no loot was worth putting up with those people for an extra 5 minutes.
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10-24-2016, 09:41 PMJib
@Frowny
for me the situation is easy. Yes i do admit that probably i shouldnt put a dot and just wait for the tank to put in position. I felt confident because i trusted him being overlevelled to hand agro from 1 dot.
Now if he said something like "hey dps please dont dps it until i position the head first. I would completely understand and even apologise for the dot i had done initialy.
Instead he does a "keyboard Warrior behaviour" and throws a passÃve/agressive comment. Most probably because he was sorrounded by his buddies.
As anyone with blood on their veins i responded back, not insulting anyone and making the point that he could have actually have done better also.
Next thing Kick from a dungeon.
If you really agree and aplaude this behaviour (kicking a player our of a dungeon) then i guess there is really nothing more for me to say. We see gaming in completely different ways. -
10-24-2016, 11:06 PMYeol
Got MCH/BRD/WAR/AST weapons from Sophia. The only weapon left that I really want is SCH.
I jump into Raid Finder as AST, my co-healer is also AST. We aced it. Super fast kill with card buffs not falling.
Chest drops SCH book. Everyone exit duty expet me and the other AST.
We both greed. I rolled 91 and got the book on my first run that day (was going to collect 10 totems).
Logged out and went to burger king nearby to celebrate. -
10-24-2016, 11:16 PMFrownyNo better way to celebrate than with a Whopper \o/Quote:
Originally Posted by Yeol
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10-24-2016, 11:26 PMKanitezz
I get alot of partymates who want speedruns, never say so for some reason, and pull extra mobs despite me stopping a pull about a mile back. They say sorry but then they continue to do it over and over. Then when we wipe because they pull more than i can manage, who do they blame? Mmmmeeee, the tank of course... And the ones who say "pull more"... i mean i dont listen to this request anyway because i tell them "I only pull what i feel like i can handle." But of course they pull more... I mean chrihhhisssst mates, its not like im pulling trash packs one at a time.... It wont kill you to take 20 extra seconds to finish this dungeon.
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10-25-2016, 12:07 AMAnnah
When a WHM can out DPS a Monk by over 650 points in Xelphatol...and this wasn't the monk's first run.
Last boss summoned Garuda 4 times. Usually She is summoned only twice.
But yeah, the White Mage out DPSed the Monk.
We weren't even mad. We were just impressed.
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10-25-2016, 12:13 AMbounddreamer
Joined a mentor roulette yesterday that turned out to be a 22-min in progress Dzemael. They were just past the first boss. I wondered what the hell had made their healer drop.
The group had made it past some of the froggy mobs on the next floor, but there were still a few left. So I join them, protect, stoneskin the tank...and he runs foreward, JUMPS OFF A LEDGE, attacks the last froggy mob... I spend a few seconds thinking whether I want to jump down after the idiot and reluctantly I do. Five things aggro on me. He gets two. I get smacked repeatedly in the face til I die, then he dies, then one of the dps dies. The smart dps who didn't jump down with us goes back to the start of the floor and waits for us to return.
Everything goes relatively okay after that. The DRK does unexpectedly large pulls a couple of times, but I kept everyone up just fine. I wonder what took them 22 min to get to the first few pulls after that first boss and I'm willing to bet it was multiple wipes. -
10-25-2016, 12:16 AMAnnahthe beginning of the second stage of Dzemael can be a healer's worse nightmare. Especially if you have tanks not being careful or a dps backed up to closely to another set of mobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by bounddreamer
Some are inpatient and wanna jump in the craziness. However, I found a careful tank is always the best tank...even if the run took 4 minutes longer....because you sure know we wont be wiping to trash pulls