You pull you tank question.

I love tanking. I've never had a YPYT mentality. Honestly I don't usually care at all if the DPS get ahead of me for whatever reason, I'll catch up and pull the mobs off them. Managing aggro is my job, after all.

However...

A few days ago, I had a very strange experience in roulettes that I had never, in my years of playing this game, encountered. I'm playing Paladin, and one of the DPS is a Dancer. This dancer keeps popping sprint and running to the next gate, as well as using all of the charges of their gap closer. There is obviously no way I can keep up with that while making sure I have aggro on each mob I'm trying to collect. However I was never so far behind as to put the dancer in any real danger--I would catch up and get all the mobs off of them and the healer would heal them. I didn't even think much of it until this person made a passive aggressive comment in chat. Some juvenile thing like "wow sure would be nice not take so much damage." So I replied asking them what they meant and got back some crap like "?????? what do you think." So I stopped and asked, "Do you have a problem with how I'm tanking?" and they said "maybe," while continuing to race ahead at every pull. "Okay, what is the problem? Your health hasn't been low enough to be in any danger, we're wall-to-wall pulling, and I'm keeping the mobs off of you even though you pulled them, so where is the issue?" I asked. They didn't answer.

Oh yeah, and this player's search info said "if I bully you, it's because you deserve it <3" Yet they can't even form a coherent criticism of my tanking. That's the first time I actually saw the merit in "You pull you tank." Not all of us are here to try to do some advanced movement tech frame perfect speedrun of the dungeon. Yes, I'm going to slow down and collect the aggro of the first pack before I run ahead to the next pack as the tank. It's not a race.

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Originally Posted by Andryl

It's fascinating how we need 56 pages to settle this (and spoiler : it will never be settled)

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TP sprint, stance dance
Farlemald, cleric stance
You pull you tank
Leylines, healers adjust

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Braindead strats, freecure fish
Floor tank, tank and spank
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You don't pay my sub
'Shtola gives the fans a chub
Mod beasts, modded arse
all mechanics are for cars
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is that really your best
crit strikes, direct hit
please look forward to it

We didn't start the fanbase
It was always stunning
Since the game's been running
We didn't start the fanbase
We really shoulda knocked it
But instead we hawked it

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Originally Posted by CuteBucket

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Nothing against what you said.

But you just gave an example of an exception.
That I\\'m sure you understood fully well.
That people who would support the ego tanks, will show this and use it every single time to back their Ego Chasing.

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I find it funny that in previous pages. they always kept focusing on exceptions (Those who kept defending the ego tanks. Against the scenario where a player speaks/acts badly against the party.)

(Slightly offtopic) it reminded me, in old totorak. I was Healing(think it was WHM, or SCH. likely WHM at the time) and I would run ahead and wait outside of pull range. and the Random Lala DPS would state that I kept doing that, and basically was telling me to not rush ahead. <Not even a Second later. as I responded neutrally to them> they also ran ahead.

Once called out, they immediately began to troll. take damage, run into others.

In the end, at the spider boss, me and the dps had to duo the boss, cause the lala DPS kept trolling the party, and the tank sadly took the brunt of it.
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All this to say, there is a fine, large middle of what is okay. We all generally know it.

and in this thread we are talking about the EgoChasing Tanks who spout the YPYT Memorandum/Oath.

Sad you had to deal with One specific Random DPS who Clearly was just a trouble already made to begin with. Just like the lala who seemed to shirk/project their bs onto others in my example back in old totorak.

Guess simply Put.

The Balance between Idiocy/Ignorance/Ego.
Or
Malice/Hate/Conflict.

One Could Be Asked To Call It.
(LOL)

but one thing for sure.

This topic since Inception was about the tanks who don\\'t know why things are they way they are here. Who value their role higher than it\\'s abilities allow it to be.

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Originally Posted by CuteBucket

I love tanking. I've never had a YPYT mentality. Honestly I don't usually care at all if the DPS get ahead of me for whatever reason, I'll catch up and pull the mobs off them. Managing aggro is my job, after all.

However...

A few days ago, I had a very strange experience in roulettes that I had never, in my years of playing this game, encountered. I'm playing Paladin, and one of the DPS is a Dancer. This dancer keeps popping sprint and running to the next gate, as well as using all of the charges of their gap closer. There is obviously no way I can keep up with that while making sure I have aggro on each mob I'm trying to collect. However I was never so far behind as to put the dancer in any real danger--I would catch up and get all the mobs off of them and the healer would heal them. I didn't even think much of it until this person made a passive aggressive comment in chat. Some juvenile thing like "wow sure would be nice not take so much damage." So I replied asking them what they meant and got back some crap like "?????? what do you think." So I stopped and asked, "Do you have a problem with how I'm tanking?" and they said "maybe," while continuing to race ahead at every pull. "Okay, what is the problem? Your health hasn't been low enough to be in any danger, we're wall-to-wall pulling, and I'm keeping the mobs off of you even though you pulled them, so where is the issue?" I asked. They didn't answer.

Oh yeah, and this player's search info said "if I bully you, it's because you deserve it <3" Yet they can't even form a coherent criticism of my tanking. That's the first time I actually saw the merit in "You pull you tank." Not all of us are here to try to do some advanced movement tech frame perfect speedrun of the dungeon. Yes, I'm going to slow down and collect the aggro of the first pack before I run ahead to the next pack as the tank. It's not a race.

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So all this means is you got lucky for years. This happens every so often in groups, some idiot dps or healer will intentionally charge in front of you while you are collecting mobs as part of a wall to wall, then act like they are doing anything other than being an annoying moron who is making the run harder and more complicated. No time is getting saved here, they aren't dpsing the mobs you have aggro on so they die a little slower, the healer has to heal them (or themselves) so they lost some dps, you have to possibly move more or do ranged moves with crap damage you normally wouldn't do so tank lost dps and it might have taken a little longer to group the enemies up.

This isn't a tank problem, this is a DPS and or a Healer who is just a jerk problem.

on second thought, delete all healer gap closers

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Originally Posted by yoshinoharu

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of what the responsibility of a tank is, then and more players need to be educated. Besides hitting self-mitigation for incoming damage it doesn't matter whether it's 1, 4, or even a THOUSAND mobs hitting you, it's completely out of your hands. Your only job as a tank is to keep hitting AOE buttons, ensure that you are hitting your self-mitigation, and making sure that nothing is hitting your team mates. If someone is 'uncomfortable' pressing rampart to make sure that a pack of mobs doesn't kill them then it isn't even a question about being optimal, they've already failed at being a tank from the outset.

Once you have accomplished those very basic responsibilities, the tank has very little control over whether they live or die and it's all on the healer to supplement your survival, and DPS output to make sure things die before you run out of resources. I think that's the true issue here, which is why we are all saying it's an ego trip: As a tank the amount of control you have is ACTUALLY extremely limited when it comes to multi-mob dungeon pulls, and that lack of control affects the self-image of a tank-player and makes them insecure about their place in the party, which IS a very important part, so they don't do their job and let people die to establish some form of weird dominance, which is so stupid it makes my brain hurt. Once the mobs are in place and hitting you, it is almost entirely up to your group whether or not you live or die (unless you're a skilled Warrior, then you have enough sustain to literally solo everything). Ultimately if you're not comfortable just letting a horde of things beat on you, your literal job as a tank, literally TANKING damage, then just don't play tank.

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Aye and the aggro a tank collects is one of the few things they do have control over; so taking that from them makes them more and more helpless. I also see a few folks talking about how now wall to walling could be considered a ToS violation or how now going to pick up the extra adds could be a ToS violation. I think a good example of "expected" gameplay would be to look at how the Trust system functions. The tank only pulls 1 pack at a time; the DPS doesn't run off to grab a 2nd. In the event that the DPS does happen to grab a 2nd pack - the tank will endeavor to pick up the mobs (sometimes; not always and generally not go far out of their way to do so) which would support the argument except for the fact that when acting as a DPS; the trust system does not go to grab extra packs - therefore making the DPS going out to pull extra's the errant behavior (that is to say not the expected natural flow) the thing that is not expected to be done.

Folks should talk to each other more. If they cannot come to an agreement then they should dissolve the party and move on rather then trying to force the other to capitulate to their desires.

what i do as tank being if someone else pulls instead of me is try to pull enemies OFF of them. IF i am not capable of doing this then i just leave them to die and pull the enemy as soon they come in range again.
this rarely happen.

you pull you tank is not something you apply as a standard. usualy this is just a thing if a DPS decided to pull enemy groups and then Sprints away far enough so the tank can't get the enemies off of them.

if you pull enemies as a NON tank. bring them TO the tank. that way you get to play tank as a dps for a few seconds and then drop them off where they belong.
yeah if you don't do that and run off... sorry mate... you got most likely 2 problems chasing you. i might have 10 coming after me. you're on your own until you get back in range

This entire argument is why I have a macro for when I'm brave enough to step into dungeons as a tank (which isn't very often), saying I'm a relatively new dungeon tank and to please be patient with me, and that play tips are appreciated. If someone pulls extra stuff, I'll do my darndest to grab it. If we all die after that... well, I tried, and maybe don't do that next time.

Communication isn't that hard, folks. It is an MMO, after all.

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Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse

I think a good example of "expected" gameplay would be to look at how the Trust system functions. The tank only pulls 1 pack at a time; the DPS doesn't run off to grab a 2nd. In the event that the DPS does happen to grab a 2nd pack - the tank will endeavor to pick up the mobs (sometimes; not always and generally not go far out of their way to do so) which would support the argument except for the fact that when acting as a DPS; the trust system does not go to grab extra packs - therefore making the DPS going out to pull extra's the errant behavior (that is to say not the expected natural flow) the thing that is not expected to be done.

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Trust tanks also do not run forward from an empty room/corridor on their own, but that doesn't mean that a player tank waiting for a dps to lead the party into the next room is expected behavior. NPC movement is limited by their programming intentionally to allow the player some agency, because it's solo content meant for people who want to have that agency.

However, the trust is consistent no matter what role you play. Whatever mobs are pulled and brought to the tank, all get tanked and killed by the trust NPCs. Without exception. A player tank who is worse than a trust NPC needs to learn to play before stepping into group content with other players.

If you pull something, it is your responsibility to successfully bring it to me if I (for whatever reason) have not pulled them yet. You made the choice to pull after all.
In general, I'm not going to let you die; but I'm not going to go out of my way to save you if you do something stupid either. The healer can raise you after you learn your lesson and you can come back to the fight.

I made a post on Reddit mimicking similar. This is such a chaotically weird issue that seems to be one of the greatest poisons in this game's community, and I can't tell if people are trolling or dead serious.

I've played alot of MMO's and have main classed each of the trinity understanding that I am most comfortable in a dps role where I can turn my brain off, but I also can enjoy the healer role, as its a strategic joy to watch how the battle plays out and support its victory, and as a tank...I've only felt one way, I set the pace.

I'm not saying that egotistically, but doesn't that reality make this the weirdest argument because in game the way it plays out is ALWAYS the same.

DPS or Heals pulls because they want to, have beef with someone else, are impatient, or any other foolish reason, and then the conflict begins.

Why not...wait? Why not...speak up? Because they inherently WANT conflict. I have yet to see one person actually say, hey...mind if I pull a few more...they JUST DO. That's ugly, no other way to call it. It's like you feel like you're playing alone, and your "party" has to deal with it...instead of the point of being in a party and working together.

I like that someone mentioned Duty Support and how the AI operates, but I'll do you one better. In WHAT fantasy narrative can you name a healer or damage dealer that goes ahead of the meat shield to grab the enemy's attention without being a roguish character that can escape the danger without issue?

That all said...I really don't get it other than my belief that people that do that without communicating jack, are trolls. Nothing but.

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Why not...wait? Why not...speak up? Because they inherently WANT conflict.

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It's not really wanting conflict. They want speed and predictability. If that conflicts with the tank... kinda shows the issue here.

The dungeon design is simplified: 2 trash pulls you can grab between two hard 'walls'. There's generally 2 packs of enemies each wall-to-wall pull. It has been this exact formula for the last 3 expansions or so, with only minor deviations from that.
If a tank doesn't follow that simple pattern, therefore becoming unpredictable and, inherently, making the dungeon take longer for 3 other players, then that is either a new player, new tank, or a troll looking for trouble. There is no real other option.

If it's a new player or new tank, you can easily grab those additional enemies, drag them to the tank, who *should* be AOEing, they grab aggro, healer can deal with any lack of mitigations that the tank may not be using because inexperienced. It may be "uncomfortable" for the tank to learn how to deal with this, but it's along the same level as learning that you gotta press your healing buttons as a healer. Learn by doing, learn by adapting to what people expect. Don't play badly and then not have consequences to your actions. That's nonsensical entitlement.
A genuinely new tank or player may go "ahh help I don't know how to do this" and the group wipes a few times, and then others can give tips and the new guy will be better for it. This is fine.

If it's a troll or a self-righteous tank who intentionally goes slow but they still have an ego to think that they can just go against the norm because they choose to, they will then intentionally not grab aggro, drop tank stance, and then proceed to throw a fit if you call them out on it. These are the ones who are very aware of what they're doing is against the norm, and they wish to justify it with having an ego trip in chat as a "YOU DARE CHALLENGE ME" like an edgy teenager.

Can this be done with communicating? Yes. And often a healer or DPS will generally say something like "you can do bigger pulls". But this is not a question, and even if posed as a question it really isn't a choice.
If the tank still refuses to pull more, others will do it for them. There is no real choice here. Tough luck. You MUST learn that pace. Just like a healer MUST learn to heal (and contribute to DPS if there is nothing to heal). You can jump high and low and throw a fit screaming that you're being forced to play a certain way. But no, you would be plain wrong. You made the choice to join for roulettes, or for any content with other players. That means that you must do your expected job as a tank, in the way how everyone does it, whether you like it or not. Get over it, or go play a different class.

I'm often guilty of being with or slightly ahead of the tank when I'm healing, throwing DoTs on everything as we pass, in the full knowledge that if the tank is doing their job properly then they'll pick them up and I'll pay for my recklessness with a few auto attacks but I'll stop as soon as asked (which has happened a half dozen times). I hold no malice toward the tank, I'm just being efficient, I have had instances where the tank has thrown a tantrum either on me or on a dps (and me as a result) and generally in such a situation I am not above continuing without them - I have the kit to sustain a dps in the tank role as long as they don't try to pull too much or do something stupid.

I still stand by my previous statement that "the tank sets the pace and a good healer facilitates them", I've just grown as a player to not believe I always have to facilitate from the rear.

I've long been of the opinion that the pace of the dungeon is a vote from all in the party. This vote can be made in chat, through actions done, or by simply going with the presented flow. If I'm tanking and dps or healer pulls a mob then that is clear communication that they want bigger pulls or a faster run. If someone types in chat that they want bigger pulls that is also clear communication. Both are fine. Neither is better than the other IMO.

I do also find it extremely weird when people think dps don't have a say in the pace of a run. They literally kill everything. DPS determine if a tank or healer has to spend extra resources or not.

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Originally Posted by Xirean

.... or by simply going with the presented flow.....

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this, so much this.

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Originally Posted by ryouma17

there are people who still do YPYT? sounds like you were unlucky i havent gotten any groups like that since the WoW refugees left, all my dawntrail dungeons have been smooth so far

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not all of them have left. ;) I'm one.

but I think that if a DPS pulls while someone is in a cutscene and I'm the tank. I'm 100% sitting on my thumbs until that cutscene is done so that the person watching said cutscene can have the best experience possible. I'm here for you sprouts.

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Originally Posted by Chiru_Kai

You can jump high and low and throw a fit screaming that you're being forced to play a certain way. But no, you would be plain wrong. You made the choice to join for roulettes, or for any content with other players. That means that you must do your expected job as a tank, in the way how everyone does it, whether you like it or not. Get over it, or go play a different class.

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There's no rule in the game that says you have to wall to wall as tank. Nor that you have to be as good at the game as other players want you to. If anything, YOU decided to queue the roulette that can give you anything from brand new players to vets. Expecting everyone to be at the same level as you is just silly. If you want a tank that is guaranteed to play how you want, then either play tank yourself or ask someone you know who can.

well i had a ton of runs where i watched my healers gear and in the first pull how this healer behaves and i adjust to that. so if healer seems insecure to me ill pull less. Which resulted in wipes already becausy funny DPS thinks its his holy duty to pull the other packs while healer struggles to heal me already. When i out call them they are always acting like they didn´t know. exactly but i did why was this necessary ? just stick to the party god how hard can it be. I have sprint on cd everytime and will pull dont worry but if tanks do it slower there probably is a reason for it. Long story short you cant i repeat YOU CANT expect every run be the same as long as you dont do it in your grps. While playing DT i had 0 issues because i played classes where i knew i can keep me alive myself.

Another thing is if the tank guy is new or not confidant pullin for him will not help and you can run around and think everyone is just as good as me. So yeah i get why some tanks feel fcked up by this topic and some already stopped playing tank at all. Problem is we already had a time where nobody wanted to tank do we really miss that ? for my case idc i play stuff i like its just not going into my head why this have to be a topic. just be normal play the dungeon you probably will never see them again

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Originally Posted by Aviatorhead

There's no rule in the game that says you have to wall to wall as tank. Nor that you have to be as good at the game as other players want you to. If anything, YOU decided to queue the roulette that can give you anything from brand new players to vets. Expecting everyone to be at the same level as you is just silly. If you want a tank that is guaranteed to play how you want, then either play tank yourself or ask someone you know who can.

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This, right here. Hard agree.

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Originally Posted by Chiru_Kai

It's not really wanting conflict. They want speed and predictability. If that conflicts with the tank... kinda shows the issue here.

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It truly is wanting to stir conflict. If the tank or healer is new to the dungeon or a sprout, then allowing them to pull single packs or however is the best option for everyone; otherwise, you run into wipe after wipe and eventually people leave, the dungeon fails, you are back to waiting for the queue.

And to drive in the point of Aviator said; Then you roll for roulettes, you are committing. If you are dropped into a group of Sprouts? Guess what you are playing to their speed. Don't like it? Leave.

Completely agree, and this goes along with my perspective and argued point. Not everyone is playing on the same level, in the same experience bracket, or with the same knowledge set, and STILL this is considered an issue. The problem still remains to me as a lack of clear communication. You either get tanks who don't care that their pace is out matching the skill of the party, the dps doesn't care that someone is in a cutscene or lagging behind, or even perhaps the healer is new. These are all examples, but the common occurrence is dead silence.

Most groups throw out a Hi o/ and that's the last true verbal communication allotted. Sure...the group keeps pace...sure...things get killed, but often in this situation the conflict is because of assumptions and lack of communication.

When I tank I don't care if dps or healers get ahead of me. I am still going that way and will pick up the enemies quickly. My only issue is when they pull a boss when a player is in a cutscene, or run ahead and pull if someone died and is catching up still to where we are. I prefer to wait for them if I can.

Oh, my other issue is healer running ahead of me and then rescuing me when they get all the aggro. Thats a big no. Don't do that.

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Originally Posted by Aviatorhead

There's no rule in the game that says you have to wall to wall as tank. Nor that you have to be as good at the game as other players want you to. If anything, YOU decided to queue the roulette that can give you anything from brand new players to vets. Expecting everyone to be at the same level as you is just silly. If you want a tank that is guaranteed to play how you want, then either play tank yourself or ask someone you know who can.

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It is entirely possible to expect a minimum skill level of your fellow players while being empathic if someone can't keep up. Like I said in my post, you can give pointers, if the tank still struggles after, you definitely can and should accept just a lower pace.
But by that point, it is a difference between being UNABLE to keep up, and being UNWILLING to keep up.

The ones who say "you pull you tank" are generally universally people who are UNWILLING. And this is an issue. Because then we just allow players to say "I'm not going to heal you either" and "I'm just gonna AFK here". Because apparently there is no written rule telling them not to display a minimum viable skill level in order to play with others.

If a tank says at the start of a dungeon "hey I'm new to tanking or this dungeon, I'm going to take it slow", there is a super low chance that someone else will go "no. Screw you. Max speed.". Literally, if that happens, such people need to get kicked. But I'm willing to bet that 99% of players are fine with it, and they'll help.
But if the tank knows the social norm, and they are just unwilling to even provide an excuse for slow pulling, they just go slow without reason other than selfishness, it leads to annoyance. It is definitely up to the tank to announce this, because they are out of the norm. If they have too much of an ego to do so, then we know they are a troll and should not be tanking. And we all know what kind of hissy fits the YPYT tanks write in chat.

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

Please go seek a tank that cares about your ego.

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Every single one of your posts is full on ego and being an insufferable jackass lmao

EDIT: So the reason I'm even here is a couple of days ago I got into it with a tank because I pulled the last group in Vanguard. Now I'm willing to take the L for not asking. 100% on me for that, BUT we had been W2W pulling the whole dungeon and just assumed (which again is my L) that he forgot about it. Now if he had asked I would have explained and apologized. Instead what I got was him getting snippy and throwing out the YPYT line (special shout out to the healer who needed to throw out the insults) so I didn't explain and just defended myself. It became especially funny to me when he, in the middle of his tantrum, told me to grow up.

This is not even remotely a big deal. If you pull, bring it back to me. I'll take the free mitigation while you have it.

like I said multiple time we all play a online game with various people some have disability other just stress to much so honestly I just follow the tank when I aren't one. and if I tank I try one big pull if it fail I will go slower and when the first pull reach mid HP I just move to the other! if the healer isn't used to heal big pulls it make them more manageable

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Originally Posted by Nero-Voidstails

like I said multiple time we all play a online game with various people some have disability other just stress to much so honestly I just follow the tank when I aren't one. and if I tank I try one big pull if it fail I will go slower and when the first pull reach mid HP I just move to the other! if the healer isn't used to heal big pulls it make them more manageable

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Chain pulling is literally the worst way to “help” an inexperienced healer

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Chain pulling is literally the worst way to “help” an inexperienced healer

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depends how unexperienced the healer is tbh. sure if hes at zero then yes. but there are so many players who are stuck in their little bubble never even trying to do more than the absolute minimum.

at how many months does it count as necromancing?

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

What is the tank doing when they get mad? Refusing to tank anymore?

I don't care if someone runs ahead. I just hope they use arm's length and bring them to my AoE range so I don't have to chase them to Narnia for aggro.

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Unironically yes, usually the tank doesn't say anything until I ask the party "The tank seems to be afk, hasn't attacked in 5 minutes, votekick?" and then they accept that they aren't as needed as they thought they were since we cleared the pulls and boss without them...

Why this is acceptable and not an automatic warning if they do it repeatedly I don't know, clearly the tank is actively griefing the rest of the party at that point, if the healer is able to do the tanks job and their own job at the same time, and the tank just stands there being bitter that they can't fulfill their power fantasy...

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Chain pulling is literally the worst way to “help” an inexperienced healer

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I ask them before and they are ok with it so why not something they are scared to let the tank die too but it also is a good way to keep everyone slightly happy. I have my fair share of experience good and bad I just refuse to give the others player what I got during my first time as tank that I can promise

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Originally Posted by Nero-Voidstails

I ask them before and they are ok with it so why not something they are scared to let the tank die too but it also is a good way to keep everyone slightly happy. I have my fair share of experience good and bad I just refuse to give the others player what I got during my first time as tank that I can promise

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No it’s not a matter of “I ask” it’s the fact that the game genuinely discourages chain pulling on an inexperienced healer because it taxes their MP excessively and you will generally be running between pulls at a lower HP level when they may struggle to keep them up

Either single pull or double pull but don’t chain pull

At the end of the day, is it really too hard for people to wait for the tank to use two AoEs before they move on to the next pull?

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

No it’s not a matter of “I ask” it’s the fact that the game genuinely discourages chain pulling on an inexperienced healer because it taxes their MP excessively and you will generally be running between pulls at a lower HP level when they may struggle to keep them up

Either single pull or double pull but don’t chain pull

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is it tho? but again you do you I do me xx) and also teach resources management too but hey what do I know right not like I have been playing healer since I started

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

This is not even remotely a big deal. If you pull, bring it back to me. I'll take the free mitigation while you have it.

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This exactly. I hate it when some DD pulls and then runs in circles around me, always avoiding my AoE - I'm not there to play Catch the Clown.
And when this happens while I'm healing, I wait until either the aggro is on the tank, or the clown is dead - over the years I had my fair share of heal aggro, so no more for me pls.

Wow uhh... are people this bored that they replied to a half-year old post? Lmao.

YPYT is cringe and lame. If I'm the healer in that party I'll start fishing for freecure because obviously my job is to just heal and do nothing else :3c That totally would fly proper, I'm sure! If I'm the DPS I'll stop AoEing trash pack so that one beefy dangerous mob will die first uwu.

/s

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Originally Posted by Nero-Voidstails

is it tho? but again you do you I do me xx) and also teach resources management too but hey what do I know right not like I have been playing healer since I started

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Chain pulling essentially forces your party to stay in combat longer than intended. The benefit of exiting combat state is your party will regenerate 10% HP and 600 MP per tick. That's why chain pulling is a doodoo, no matter how you try to pull it off. If you're paired with bad healers and pull this off... well you've essentially made their job even harder. That not going to fly well.

Kill off whatever you've grouped up first, THEN run to next pack. It's not like you're under time constraint such as solo deep dungeon attempts. That few 10-20 seconds of running to next pack outside combat are free resource.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

Ive been seeing significantly more of this since dt started-
Tank says nothing for 90% then gets mad on final pull because sm1 else pulled. Refuses to tank the mobs and even the boss.
Same story every time -

Where exactly do the GMs stand on this issue. Where exactly do the tos stand on this issue? And where do you the players stand on this issue.


Is it against tos?
If not should it be?
Are there exceptions where its okay to refuse to tank?

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YPYT is one of the dumbest things tanks do. The only time a tank should speak up about larger pulls is when their mit and the healer cannot keep up with the incoming damage and this is normally only an issue when leveling through arr dungeons. I've only spoken up once when tanking a dungeon and that was because I was playing drk in an arr dungeon and my mit and the healer couldn't keep up with the damage and the brd who was pulling ahead kept pulling the same packs after 2 wipes.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Wow uhh... are people this bored that they replied to a half-year old post? Lmao.

YPYT is cringe and lame. If I'm the healer in that party I'll start fishing for freecure because obviously my job is to just heal and do nothing else :3c That totally would fly proper, I'm sure! If I'm the DPS I'll stop AoEing trash pack so that one beefy dangerous mob will die first uwu.

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Chain pulling essentially forces your party to stay in combat longer than intended. The benefit of exiting combat state is your party will regenerate 10% HP and 600 MP per tick. That's why chain pulling is a doodoo, no matter how you try to pull it off. If you're paired with bad healers and pull this off... well you've essentially made their job even harder. That not going to fly well.

Kill off whatever you've grouped up first, THEN run to next pack. It's not like you're under time constraint such as solo deep dungeon attempts. That few 10-20 seconds of running to next pack outside combat are free resource.

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I almost fell for this bait, excellent writing.

Enforcement should go both ways, if dps pulls too much they should be punished for griefing, too.

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Originally Posted by Sigma5

Enforcement should go both ways, if dps pulls too much they should be punished for griefing, too.

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We are talking about a situation in which dungeons are corridors with a predetermined maximum of mobs that can be taken (2 packs -> bosses -> 2 packs -> repeat). A controlled and extremely simplified and repetitive environment and content, I find it very difficult to think that a healer cannot contain the situation regardless of the expansion the dungeon refers to (provided the tank is still alive, but in many cases is easy manage DPS health for clear however).