The growing entitlement issues of the casuals

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Originally Posted by solracht

Even World of Warcraft's Legendary example that you keep on bringing up works against you: the guilds that obtained said items past the Burning Crusade did not have to spend obscene amounts of time playing: they had to play better. The raid lockouts were the same for everyone.

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Yeah, past Burning Crusade, when the complaints about WoW increased 100 fold.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

the gym analogy wouldnt work like that

lets look at how it really works

Both have access to all the equiptment, but the casuals are complaining they arent as in shape or fit, and cant lift as much as hardcores, and think that their 1 hour a week should let them bench 300 like the hardcores can.

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This^

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Originally Posted by Poipori

No, many of the more casual players are NOT asking for EASY, spoon-feeding content, they just don't want stupid time-wasting content like camping NMs, we don't mind working a very very small steps towards the main goal each time we play, we don't mind getting the best item much much slower(some might not even get it before that best gear becomes obsolete)

What we don't want is content which requires us to waste our precious playing time in camping, doing nothing, WAITING for pop.

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Hell I don't want to sit around wasting my time camping either, but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be anything that rewards hardcores for their time playing.

Just to clarify I'm not really what I would call a hardcore player. I'm just someone who's been a hardcore player before and I know what it takes to satisfy that player base. I also know when it comes right down to it the casuals won't really care about it in the end. They certainly didn't care about not having a relic weapon in XI.

Hardcores ignore the warnings and advisories to the straight up EXP reductions from SE trying to tell them "stop doing this", then they cry about the lack of reward. That's not the point of the game, and if that's not obvious by the giant "advisory" you have to click through every time you log in, well, that's a you problem.

That advisory might as well say "hardcores are not welcome here".

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Originally Posted by Poipori

No, many of the more casual players are NOT asking for EASY, spoon-feeding content, they just don't want stupid time-wasting content like camping NMs, we don't mind working a very very small steps towards the main goal each time we play, we don't mind getting the best item much much slower(some might not even get it before that best gear becomes obsolete)

What we don't want is content which requires us to waste our precious playing time in camping, doing nothing, WAITING for pop.

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the beauty of it is....you dont have to

do leve NMs if you dont want to camp a world NM, they gave you that option
and the world NMs spawn quick enough for this to not be as much an issue as in past games now

At this point its not about casual vs hardcore, but about who is WILLING to spend the time to do something

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Originally Posted by Alexis_Arteme

Hardcores ignore the warnings and advisories to the straight up EXP reductions from SE trying to tell them "stop doing this", then they cry about the lack of reward. That's not the point of the game, and if that's not obvious by the giant "advisory" you have to click through every time you log in, well, that's a you problem.

That advisory might as well say "hardcores are not welcome here".

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Yoshi-p said he is considering removing the surplus/fatigue.

Also that disclaiming is to cover SE's ass in the case of a law suit when a player doesn't know whats best for him, same reason why cigarettes have a label on them.

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Originally Posted by Poipori

No, many of the more casual players are NOT asking for EASY, spoon-feeding content, they just don't want stupid time-wasting content like camping NMs, we don't mind working a very very small steps towards the main goal each time we play, we don't mind getting the best item much much slower(some might not even get it before that best gear becomes obsolete)

What we don't want is content which requires us to waste our precious playing time in camping, doing nothing, WAITING for pop.

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This debate has clearly derailed and has become a 'should we make NMs so hard to camp that only hardcore players could get the rewards' debate.

Otherwise it seems that pretty much everyone agrees that any type of player should be rewarded for working on long term goals but that hardcore will reach them faster.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Yoshi-p said he is considering removing the surplus/fatigue.

Also that disclaiming is to cover SE's ass in the case of a law suit when a player doesn't know whats best for him, same reason why cigarettes have a label on them.

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Sure he did, at the constant and intense stream of boytears that's been flowing freely since release. Eventually, you just give the kid a damn pacifier.

Some here should probably read the warning label. I fear for society.

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Originally Posted by Xeno

First things first, Casuals do not = hardcore players. Even Yoshi agrees.

So what's the deal? Why is it that casual players feel that they should have the same awesome gear that the hardcore players have? This is absolutely beyond me. The more effort you put into something the greater the reward.

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The problem with that logic is that you end up with a community like WOW where people call you a noob if you don't have the rarest most powerful gear in the game and won't even invite you for endgame content.

The goal is to give the opportunity for both casual and hardcore players to experience the same thing.

This thread is named "The growing entitlement issues of the casuals", yet all i am seeing is hardcore players having entitlement issues >.>.

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Originally Posted by Kazimir

Yeah, past Burning Crusade, when the complaints about WoW increased 100 fold.

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You mean when the quality and subscriptions of the game increased 100 fold. The fact that your dying breed was kicked off that game, just like they're going to get kicked off every MMORPG they try from now on does not mean the games are getting worse.

Either way, if you were going to bring up the way WoW's endgame worked when the cap was level 60 (like 6 years ago), don't bother. You might as well keep on mentioning HNMs to back up how a game should work. The entire raiding scene of WoW was not accessible unless you had a lot of time at level 60, just because of the nature of 40man raids.

Nice job ignoring the rest of the post too.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Um, not for nothing,but I find this implausible...especially unconvincing is why you think surplus should go. Surplus by its own nature, helps people like you.

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lol how is it implausible? i dont think its right simple as that everyone can't play there own way why force those have the time to level or rank ( that i dont have). To change there class it lame i may not have the time and they may get head of me but why should they be held back because im not as on as often and also i have hit surplus on my day off and it bugs the crap out of me how it hinder me from grinding in my free time.