Manderville Relic Criticism

I feel like what they’re doing with the Manderville weapons might just be SE's attempt at future proofing a relic. Maybe it’s just a Materia thing, but Bozja and Eureka are very much dead here. This isn’t to say it’s a good attempt, but it’s the best I can come up with for why it’s the way it is.

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Originally Posted by Monokhrom

I feel like what they’re doing with the Manderville weapons might just be SE's attempt at future proofing a relic. Maybe it’s just a Materia thing, but Bozja and Eureka are very much dead here. This isn’t to say it’s a good attempt, but it’s the best I can come up with for why it’s the way it is.

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I honestly gave up on materia after giving it my best for almost as long as the data centre has existed, I moved back to jenova today, I’ve kinda come to realise that materia’s population may have been sustainable if they managed to hold onto the launch EW crowds but as it stands if 7.0 doesn’t reach the highs of EW then materia is going to be constantly starved of people, you can’t expect vets to stay when you never get any above 60 content and you have to PF the eden normal raids in prime time

As for the relic I doubt square even acknowledges materia exists anymore, it feels like it was basically a publicity stunt for them on the back of EW; I certainly don’t think it affected the relic design, especially since while materia is dead for field content it’s not hard to do anima and zeta on materia since they nerfed them into fate and poetic grinds

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Knowing that solo instances have a “very easy” mode haunts me daily, the base mode is very easy, what does very easy mode even do, the boss just walks up to you and keels over or something

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to my knowledge, it allows you to literally afk in the Hien instance at the end of SB, as the other NPCs whittle the enemy's HP to zero, you only have to interact with the game when it comes to the enforced 'stack with ally to save them' bit

actually idk if this is even on very easy mode, might be normal for all I know

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Originally Posted by Monokhrom

I feel like what they’re doing with the Manderville weapons might just be SE's attempt at future proofing a relic. Maybe it’s just a Materia thing, but Bozja and Eureka are very much dead here. This isn’t to say it’s a good attempt, but it’s the best I can come up with for why it’s the way it is.

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Their 'solution' will probably be to just say 'oh if you can't get groups for stuff, use cross-DC travel' when it comes out and lets us go between regions (if Materia's not already connected to JP)

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Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe

to my knowledge, it allows you to literally afk in the Hien instance at the end of SB, as the other NPCs whittle the enemy's HP to zero, you only have to interact with the game when it comes to the enforced 'stack with ally to save them' bit



Their 'solution' will probably be to just say 'oh if you can't get groups for stuff, use cross-DC travel' when it comes out and lets us go between regions (if Materia's not already connected to JP)

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Materia is stuck either way there, NA is probably too far (unless they can do cross DC between all 4) and JP doesn’t want them because the reason they released materia was to get English speaking people off JP anyway

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I honestly gave up on materia after giving it my best for almost as long as the data centre has existed, I moved back to jenova today, I’ve kinda come to realise that materia’s population may have been sustainable if they managed to hold onto the launch EW crowds but as it stands if 7.0 doesn’t reach the highs of EW then materia is going to be constantly starved of people, you can’t expect vets to stay when you never get any above 60 content and you have to PF the eden normal raids in prime time

As for the relic I doubt square even acknowledges materia exists anymore, it feels like it was basically a publicity stunt for them on the back of EW; I certainly don’t think it affected the relic design, especially since while materia is dead for field content it’s not hard to do anima and zeta on materia since they nerfed them into fate and poetic grinds

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That was my concern back then in Shadowbringers, i knew no one would run Delubrum anymore in the future, and even if you try to get those relic weapons now, you look forard to 85 runs of Delubrum or spend an eternity in Potd.
Bozja was still well visitet on Twintania last patch, i farmed all my missing stuff to get the Ikril mount and there were always enough people for it, but Delubrum is deader than dead.

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Originally Posted by Arohk

That was my concern back then in Shadowbringers, i knew no one would run Delubrum anymore in the future, and even if you try to get those relic weapons now, you look forard to 85 runs of Delubrum or spend an eternity in Potd.
Bozja was still well visitet on Twintania last patch, i farmed all my missing stuff to get the Ikril mount and there were always enough people for it, but Delubrum is deader than dead.

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They really should've thrown it into Alliance Raid Roulette. At least then, there would still be possible to complete it within a reasonable timeframe but I guess Lost Actions kind of makes it difficult to balance around.

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Originally Posted by Det40

I feel the reason they're doing it this way is because a lot of people jump around to many different classes, so they decided to make it easier to grind for all of them rather than just one.

I'm not the biggest fan of it either though. But I get it.

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The solution to this is to streamline the process of getting Manderville weapons after the first one you complete, not gimp the initial quest.

I figure they are just taking a break from large content concerning the relic. Dont expect much from this relic. I figure this will go down in history as if you want a cheap and quick relic get the EW relic.

Having redone some one HW, SB and ShB relic for a more or less exhaustive take on relics (that I never posted), I'd take the current system over some steps we had in the past. Especially the ShB ones, that, if they worked when released, are an horror to do right now, because everything has to be done synched, and with the content being less alive, it takes more time to do ShB relics now that it took during ShB. HW (and ARR, iirc) are enjoyable to do nowaday because a lot of the steps can be synched.

Though I wish they had given the relics a proper story instead artifially sticking them to hildibrand quest.

As a whole I've been disappointed with the Manderville relics. The only positive for me has been the appearance; as a BLM, I've liked the appearances of the Manderville BLM relics. I do not like how easy it's been to acquire these relics, however; even the regular tome weapons have been harder to acquire than these relics. It adds to my frustration to see these great BLM weapon appearances be wasted on such bland relics that can't even be bothered to have proper names.

I know I'm gonna be in the minority on this, but I enjoyed doing ARR relic books for acquiring the animus step; when my lala was still in ARR I went out of my way to grind all the way through the nexus step before moving on to HW doing everything synced, and I had fun doing the ARR relic grind (I couldn't complete the Zodiac brave step until the start of post-SB MSQ because of gil issues, but once I did I got my Lilith Rod Zeta the next day). I also had fun levelling through Eureka and grinding out the SB relic.

On the other hand, I have had no fun at all doing the Manderville relics; despite how these look, I feel like I've been given a free handout. At least the HW relic felt like a bit of a time investment, even though I didn't feel as satisfied finishing it like I did ARR and SB. I'm also still working on the SHB relic, so I can't give much of an opinion until I finish it, but I've liked progressing through Bozja so far.