Should the devs appologise to the community

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

ARR battle system team: Kei Sato, Takashi Kawamoto, Hikaru Tamaki, Tsuyoshi Yokozawa

Endwalker battle system team: Kei Sato, Takashi Kawamoto, Hikaru Tamaki, Hironori Isami

IMO this is the root of the problem outside of perhaps Yoshida himself (Or the financing department holding him to ransom). The battle system team (aka class designers) are stretched too thin, the team should have been expanded long ago or another team should have been bought in on consultancy terms to feed the internal team with idea filled whiteboards for them to pick and choose from.

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This is why I opt to not blame CBU3 for the majority of this. Patches wouldn't take so long if SE gave the game the funding and manpower it deserves. Get some of the FF7 Remake folks over hear to help with battle elements and rpg mechanics (for example). But SE won't do that sadly. I 100% believe the devs want XIV to be it's best but they only get so much help from higher ups. Ofc I don't know this for sure but it makes sense based on what we've seen

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Now who's moving the goalposts? Where would they have any data that something wouldn't jive with the playerbase unless they put it out there and got feedback and participation numbers on it? These forums cry every day about how 4 man content needs to be harder. What would tell the developers that Criterion would be so badly received when that's a constant request from the community? In one of the recent interviews where Eureka was mentioned, I got the impression they didn't think was going to be nearly as divisive as it was.

And I don't like tomes for relics but they're doing what they've always done. You had ARR and people didn't fully like that. They tweaked it some for HW. They completely changed the format for SB. They tweaked it some again for ShB. And now they've massively changed the format again. They don't know until they release something how it's going to be reacted to.

And as you said in the first part of what I quoted, neither of us can prove their intent with things one way or another. But only one of us keeps accusing them of deliberately leaving things out instead of trying new things like they've always done.

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I'm not moving the goalposts. Once again, you're implying that I claimed intent on behalf of the development team. I did not. You took a post of mine - in response to another poster attempting to brush off concerns about the lack of content with staying power - and attempted to portray it as something completely different.

The back and forth since has involved you attempting to lead the 'discussion' in a completely different direction altogether.

It doesn't hugely matter to me what they did or did not intend. What matters to me is that Endwalker is woefully lacking in terms of content with staying power, the development team are doubling down on content without staying power in the expansion's patch cycle and the vast majority of people I play the game with are either taking a break or have quit altogether due to having very little to engage with compared to previous expansions.

Yes they should.
And they should come clean which forum/players are the ones being taken into cosideration as "feedback", and give said players a distiction on forums and also give a public reviewing process to grant such distiction.

And Yoshida should start to post/reply at least once a week on random GENERAL topics, in English, French and German.
And for inclusion sake, Spanish and Portuguese too.

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Originally Posted by Snorky

Omg Kes you're making too much sense! How can you how dare you not go along with the doom narrative! Don't you know the sky is falling! How can you tell people to just stop paying for being kicked around! J/k I agree and you said it well.

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its a character flaw I suppose. that and I have been to this kind of dance before. seen games where the devs listened, and the game became unidentifiable garbage no one wanted to play, and see where the company said "our way or the highway" and became a game no one wanted to play.

there are some serious issues, there are legitimate beefs, there is also a LOT of whining. its a game forum so that is rather expected. everyone, some of us more than others, have views of the game WE personally want... but the stark reality is, its not our game. I am sure if some of the more vociferous doomsayers came up with their own game, Yoshi would love the competition.

but I will not hold my breath while they do.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

Please try to leave constructive replies instead of just saying anything to be heard
I've been toying with this question in my mind basically since around 6.2 when it became obvious this game was'nt going to deliver any real of meaningful change.. seeing the clear nature of the cash shop and the exploitation in the games current content output vs what we pay our sub for, anbd ofcourse that 7.0 will be a min of 6months between patches of basically... nothing...

should the developers appologise for the state of the game?

and if not... what level of accountability SHOULD we hold them to? if any..

(ofcourse this is just a question i am not demanding this or that people do this so please read it properly before you start attacking me)

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Now I might take some hate for this but shoot ill say it. Have you all ever played other mmo's before especially ones from Aria games. Namely stuff like Scarlet Blade, Have you guys played elsword, have you guys ever seen Josh strife hayes worse mmo? Ever played tera online. I mean the reason I ask is cause Yes this game has its faults but jesus from the forum perspective your making me think this game only has at most 30 ppl online. XD I mean just reading all the doom post on ff14 forums I gotta ask. IF the game is in such a terrible state why are you all forcing yourself to stay why not quit and go play something better. :o why subject yourself to this torture. You guys know what the definition of insanity is why subject yourself to that level of madness?

No, this is no different than every other xpac at this point into it.

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

Yes they should.
And they should come clean which forum/players are the ones being taken into cosideration as "feedback", and give said players a distiction on forums and also give a public reviewing process to grant such distiction.

And Yoshida should start to post/reply at least once a week on random GENERAL topics, in English, French and German.
And for inclusion sake, Spanish and Portuguese too.

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Most likely, they look at forum posts and cherry pick posts. So one poster might say "Change 1 and Change 2" because 1 and 2 are both required to work in tandem, but they'll just think "Change 1 is reasonable" because some people don't want Change 2. and then implement Change 1; then they get backlash afterwards because Change 1 doesn't work in a vacuum and feels incomplete without Change 2.

So if they were to actually pull which forum players they are taken into consideration as feedback and attempt to "quote" them as per usual SE standard tactic, they'll just get backlash all the same for misinterpreting the posts. Even if they didn't do that they still have issues with misinterpretation of posts in general. It isn't the first time this type of misinterpretation has happened. The 'go play ultimate' on healers in the Q&A is still vivid in my mind -- and the question wasn't healer difficulty but healer engagement.

we dont need a speech written by a pr firm, as my parents and many others use to say, actions speak louder than words.

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

Yes. Each of them owe each of us an apology and a foot massage.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

its ok to just say no. the theatrics are unnesscesary

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Keep the Theatrics, and the Apology.
I want the Foot Massage.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

i would honestly suggest you read some of the other threads in this forum, for example for 6.5 interview. you will not see a happy playerbase. i assure you, ITS NOT JUST ME

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You don't speak for everyone though.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Keep the Theatrics, and the Apology.
I want the Foot Massage.

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Oh yes, me too!