Can we please delay Savage?

Four pages later, and I notice my question still hasn't been answered. The opposition to this continually asks why we would want to delay Savage for a week. This has been explained in intricate detail by several here.

I asked four pages ago why the opposing side is so against the delay, and what of value would be lost to them if this delay was put in place. I am still hearing crickets on this. The question was conveniently ignored in favor of trying to counter any point the pro-delay side brought up for why they want it implemented instead of answering this question.

The only reason I've been able to glean from their side is they 'want it now.' Yet...we wait six months I believe between Eden raid cycles? Six months and you can't wait a single week more? Give me a break.

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

Because if you knew anything about this game's high end raid scene, you'd know that very few of them post here because of the numerous bans on these forums over theory crafting and number crunching in the past.

You can dress it up with all the toxicity you want, it doesn't change the fact that a simple delay of 1 day would solve this problem. But then that wouldn't give you your dopamine fix from threads like these would it now.

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what problem?? There is a problem? What toxicity? The stuff you are spewing? LOL at the last phrase, cute.

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Originally Posted by Zabuza

Four pages later, and I notice my question still hasn't been answered. The opposition to this continually asks why we would want to delay Savage for a week. This has been explained in intricate detail by several here.

I asked four pages ago why the opposing side is so against the delay, and what of value would be lost to them if this delay was put in place. I am still hearing crickets on this. The question was conveniently ignored in favor of trying to counter any point the pro-delay side brought up for why they want it implemented instead of answering this question.

The only reason I've been able to glean from their side is they 'want it now.' Yet...we wait six months I believe between Eden raid cycles? Six months and you can't wait a single week more? Give me a break.

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How is it a want it now? It's a freedom to choose, that's what I want. If you delay it a week, I can't possibly choose to do it then can I? How is that hard to understand? You expect me to bleed your reasoning but neglect to even logically look at it from another's perspective.

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Originally Posted by Zabuza

I asked four pages ago why the opposing side is so against the delay, and what of value would be lost to them if this delay was put in place. I am still hearing crickets on this. The question was conveniently ignored in favor of trying to counter any point the pro-delay side brought up for why they want it implemented instead of answering this question.

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It shouldn't have to be delayed because of a personal choice of others, to either skip cutscenes, or rush to endgame. That is a personal choice on you

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

Considering how casual heavy the game is, that isnt asking for much.

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It's not like I'm against the idea. I'm saying that out of principle.

And funny that the game can be very casual (which is true) yet butchers all classes to cater to the very vocal minority. All tanks/healers are the same now thanks to that.

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Originally Posted by SinisterJoints

How is it a want it now? It's a freedom to choose, that's what I want. If you delay it a week, I can't possibly choose to do it then can I? How is that hard to understand? You expect me to bleed your reasoning but neglect to even logically look at it from another's perspective.

It shouldn't have to be delayed because of a personal choice of others, to either skip cutscenes, or rush to endgame. That is a personal choice on you

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I'm trying to understand your perspective, as at least this is some kind of actual answer. In truth, I am finding it difficult, though, since devs implement a two week delay already on expansion launches. Do you feel that is also robbing you of your choice? I mean, even without Eden Savage being there the week of patch drop, you'd still have plenty of choices and things to do would you not? MSQ, Ruby Weapon, Eden Normal, etc...Surely enough choices to occupy you for a week? So you feel by delaying this for a week we're somehow robbing you of freedom? Interesting.

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Originally Posted by SinisterJoints

what problem?? There is a problem? What toxicity? The stuff you are spewing? LOL at the last phrase, cute.

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Are you really oblivious to the manner in which you spoke to Hyo? Do you not realise that every post you've made in this thread is the same aggressive screeching of choice this and and whawha that? If you talk down to me, I'm absolutely going to return in kind. Try being civil for once in your life and maybe things will work out better for you.

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Originally Posted by SinisterJoints

How is it a want it now? It's a freedom to choose

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And I'd love to blast my Triumph over the local moorland roads at silly speeds, but I appreciate that it's best I don't have that choice. Sometimes we just need to be saved from ourselves.

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Originally Posted by SinisterJoints

I can't possibly choose to do it then can I?

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And yet even with the choice there. You've never yet taken it.

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Originally Posted by SinisterJoints

Oh and before you embarrass yourself by assuming I don't raid, I do at my leisure without feeling rushed, or slighted in anyway. Thank you SE for the plethora of content that I can enjoy at my leisure without some ill conceived notion that I cant enjoy it because my static demands I skip cutscenes LOL

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So basically "I want the choice to do it week one but I'm actually not going to do it until it's dead content"?

Glad we established that.

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I'm trying to understand your perspective, as at least this is some kind of actual answer. In truth, I am finding it difficult, though, since devs implement a two week delay already on expansion launches. Do you feel that is also robbing you of your choice? I mean, even without Eden Savage being there the week of patch drop, you'd still have plenty of choices and things to do would you not? MSQ, Ruby Weapon, Eden Normal, etc...Surely enough choices to occupy you for a week? So you feel by delaying this for a week we're somehow robbing you of freedom? Interesting.

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Ive said it like a million times. It just kept getting ignored over and over along with condescending lines from Hyo. It's not about what I want, its about the freedom to choose.

Why cant you enjoy it if it IS released? You feel rushed? This is my point, its ok for you to be up in arms for what you want but opposition is not allowed? That is how it's being presented.


and to answer your question, it doesnt matter how the content is released. Someone will come in here and be vocal about the reason they dont like it every, single, time. I just don't personally agree with changing something because of some innate guilty feeling or feeling of being rushed when its something you are choosing to endure.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

should they choose,

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Gonna highlight a key phrase that makes this entire thread pointless. Your Character, Your Choice. Plain and simple. SE didnt make your static schedule, SE didnt make you join a static, SE didnt make you do the raids first, nor should SE cater to YOUR schedule. You dont want to race in the first week, then dont! it REALLY IS that simple.

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Originally Posted by Barraind

Why not delay it a month?

Or you can just commit to doing it day 1 if its something you want to do day 1.

If you want to compete for world first clearing, then you make the choice to do that. Waking up early to make sure you get your gear and consumables crafted, or paying for those, is part of it. If you want to do it casually, then do it casually.

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Exactly this, You can choose to NOT do the stuff in week 1. However, we cannot choose TO do it if its delayed a week. Forcing us to wait because you cant make a choice is not a valid solution.





Literally my first post. Nothing toxic about it

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

Are you really oblivious to the manner in which you spoke to Hyo? Do you not realise that every post you've made in this thread is the same aggressive screeching of choice this and and whawha that? If you talk down to me, I'm absolutely going to return in kind. Try being civil for once in your life and maybe things will work out better for you.



And I'd love to blast my Triumph over the local moorland roads at silly speeds, but I appreciate that it's best I don't have that choice. Sometimes we just need to be saved from ourselves.



And yet even with the choice there. You've never yet taken it.

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So basically "I want the choice to do it week one but I'm actually not going to do it until it's dead content"?

Glad we established that.

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Ive never taken what? Oh you think this is my main character. There we go embarassing ourselves again. SMH, quit assuming

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Originally Posted by SinisterJoints

Ive never taken what? Oh you think this is my main character. There we go embarassing ourselves again. SMH, quit assuming

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Your words, not mine.

Personally, I think that people who are strongly against this delay are being selfish.

While raiders do make a choice of pursuing savage content, they are the only ones who have to make a sacrifice for choosing to prioritize content that they most enjoy, and that sacrifice is being locked out of seeing story for raids. Prioritizing any other piece of content doesn't lock you out of doing other things.

And so I have an option in mind as an alternative.

Why not ask SE to add current raid story to “New game+” immediately on release? While it doesn’t fully solve everything that being pointed out, i think it’s decent middle ground. Nobody loses any of their choices, and raiders who want to enjoy story will have opportunity to do so at later date when they have time.