RP shout ads are obstructive to chat and gameplay

Dedicated tabs for content isn't how the chat system works. You could tag the content, but then you would need people to actually monitor shout chat for improperly tagged content, which I doubt SE wants to pay for. Pragmatically you need a content neutral way of defining the abusive behavior. Any other way is a tall order

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Originally Posted by Doozer

They already have that, the 'other' section of party finder. That's their Smut Channel. Still they spill over and pollute public channels. They know they annoy people too because people literally get paid to advertise because the owners know they'll get blacklisted. They'll still bleed into other channels because they'll always want more than what they're getting.

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The other tab in party finder isn't another chat channel. Did you read the op? It's intended design would be for all the things you would find in the other tab, and other non-content related adverts. Stuff like crafting/gathering/venues/social things with a 1 hour cooldown between messages, which is how long a pf stays up for, and how often people run their shout ads. It exists in other games and works as intended. That being said, it's not even needed if people would just stop spamming chat and put up a pf listing. IMO shout ads should be an instant 3 days suspension. But since people remain obnoxious and ignorant, then just give them a separate chat channel to spam so people can still chat in game without being interrupted by smut.

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Originally Posted by Troxbark

I think this just leads to more questions. When you're in a game, everyone is anonymous and equal for better or worse, until you doxx yourself... This is also why those venues are advertised as 18+.

If the creeper actively knew the age of the player and persued that then yes, absolutely that's a problem with that *specific player*.

My other concern is why this dudes kid is doxxing herself and why he's not keeping tabs on her online activities. This is the part where the parent actually needs to parent.

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Where the hell did you get this idea in your head that the child "doxxed" themselves? And how do you know what the parent does or does not do? This is extremely rude of you to say, with nothing to back it up. You are clearly attempting to cause problems here.

Just saw two back to back RP venue ad's in Gridania, the second after each other, I don't remember it being this bad when I left. Something needs to be done and badly, it's so obstructive and completely inappropriate

And it's ridiculous that ad's can be advertising 18+ crap like courtesans and dancers for everyone to see, do these people have no shame? It's 110% against ToS too too make such licentious comments in global.

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Originally Posted by E4EO

Just saw two back to back RP venue ad's in Gridania, the second after each other, I don't remember it being this bad when I left. Something needs to be done and badly, it's so obstructive and completely inappropriate

And it's ridiculous that ad's can be advertising 18+ crap like courtesans and dancers for everyone to see, do these people have no shame? It's 110% against ToS too too make such licentious comments in global.

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Out of curiosity do you also object to places like Barnes and Noble having pornography on their store shelves in plastic bags? In a lot of places 18+ content is advertised in under-18 appropriate ways. Even an R-rated movie is going to have advertisements where the R-rated things have been removed from the trailer or ad. If the licentious stuff is alluded to, but not shown or described in an 18+ way is that different than what already exists in real life?

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Originally Posted by Sjol

Out of curiosity do you also object to places like Barnes and Noble having pornography on their store shelves in plastic bags? In a lot of places 18+ content is advertised in under-18 appropriate ways. Even an R-rated movie is going to have advertisements where the R-rated things have been removed from the trailer or ad. If the licentious stuff is alluded to, but not shown or described in an 18+ way is that different than what already exists in real life?

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Let's be honest now, no one is really hiding anything or addressing it under 18 terms when the word Brothel is in the name of the venue lol.

I think it's a bit of a different story to willingly wander down the porn section of Barnes and Noble or go to an R-rated movie in comparison to zoning into New Gridania and getting smacked with a sex ad out of nowhere. One is consensual, the other is not.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Let's be honest now, no one is really hiding anything or addressing it under 18 terms when the word Brothel is in the name of the venue lol.

I think it's a bit of a different story to willingly wander down the porn section of Barnes and Noble or go to an R-rated movie in comparison to zoning into New Gridania and getting smacked with a sex ad out of nowhere. One is consensual, the other is not.

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The porn section at my local Barnes and Noble is right next to the motorcycle and fitness magazines. There's not a beaded curtain or anything you have to go past to find it.

And brothels do advertise where prostitution is legal -- even in the U.S. --- including using the word brothel.

Half the people are talking about the ads being spam and half the people are talking about not wanting to read the content of certain kinds of ads. Those are separate concerns with separate solutions. What has frustrated me is when someone makes a suggestion to deal with the spam issue, it's met with disagreement by the people who really care about content. Content is a different and much, much more difficult problem to solve presuming you can even get agreement on it and given SE's track record of enforcement, I don't see that happening anytime soon. So maybe try and find a content-agnostic solution to the spam instead.

I won't go through the entirety of the 49 pages but I feel like a filter would solve part of the issue here. As in - select tab, add words you want filtered out and if a message contains one of those words it won't be shown to you at all. And I do mean having it tab based because I may want different settings depending on the content I'm doing.

Personally? Outside of hunts or Eureka/Bozja I use a custom tab that turns off Shout and Say chats.

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Originally Posted by Sjol

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You're comparing a willing, consenting adult going into a porn section, interested in said porn, to a wide open, public plaza where people of all ages and demeanors can be found discussing numerous topics you'd normally find discussed at a public space. A plaza, forum, or other busy populated area is not the place to be asking people to come get a lap dance, or as OP said, a s k those same people to perform that lap dance.

There is a time and a place for anything related to sex and pornography, that place is for those who want such things, who actively seek it out and consent to engage in it. Waiting in a city while you wait for your DPS queue to pop, looking at your phone or dozing off, isn't a place for that, it's public and open to everyone, including people who don't wanna be blasted with lewd messages and just wanna play the video game.

It's consent, I find it ridiculous I have to even explain it as I find it such a basic concept it comes as naturally to me as breathing. Christ Almighty

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Originally Posted by 1313

The other tab in party finder isn't another chat channel. Did you read the op? It's intended design would be for all the things you would find in the other tab, and other non-content related adverts. Stuff like crafting/gathering/venues/social things with a 1 hour cooldown between messages, which is how long a pf stays up for, and how often people run their shout ads. It exists in other games and works as intended. That being said, it's not even needed if people would just stop spamming chat and put up a pf listing. IMO shout ads should be an instant 3 days suspension. But since people remain obnoxious and ignorant, then just give them a separate chat channel to spam so people can still chat in game without being interrupted by smut.

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I read the OP, did you read all of my post that you quoted? My point is that they already have an avenue to advertise their stuff, and it still spills into other forms of communication. If there's exclusively a chat channel for advertising, they'll still use shout as well because they want to pull in more people who aren't looking directly.

If you're going to criticize me for not reading, make sure your reading comprehension is on par with what you expect of me.

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Originally Posted by Sjol

The porn section at my local Barnes and Noble is right next to the motorcycle and fitness magazines. There's not a beaded curtain or anything you have to go past to find it.

And brothels do advertise where prostitution is legal -- even in the U.S. --- including using the word brothel.

Half the people are talking about the ads being spam and half the people are talking about not wanting to read the content of certain kinds of ads. Those are separate concerns with separate solutions. What has frustrated me is when someone makes a suggestion to deal with the spam issue, it's met with disagreement by the people who really care about content. Content is a different and much, much more difficult problem to solve presuming you can even get agreement on it and given SE's track record of enforcement, I don't see that happening anytime soon. So maybe try and find a content-agnostic solution to the spam instead.

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Girl please don't try to compare this game to Nevada lmao. That's the only place it's legal in the US (in specific counties as well) so it's not exactly a norm for the majority of the US to get solicited on the street.

Spam wise, it's annoying.
Content wise, it's annoying.

Both are annoying and I can't blame anyone for thinking this game is becoming Second Life now with how normalized it's becoming. All that's missing are the dedicated rooms with ads for phone/video sex on the walls (who knows, it might already be a thing somewhere).

I used to not care as much because at the end of the day, what people do behind closed doors is their business and my view on that still stands. When it's repeatedly shoved in my face in public areas, it's not cute...it's annoying. I don't care if people put it in the "Other" section, that can be filtered out. I care when I'm just trying to play a game I enjoy and have to see ads for "Creamy Experiences with Catgirls" lol. No one is trying to hide anything.

There should be a Social tab in the Party Finder to advertise these.
There should also be a calendar function where people can subscribe to event chains for these clubs and place this as a social board similar to market board in a central location in every city so all adverts go there instead of shout.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Girl please don't try to compare this game to Nevada lmao. That's the only place it's legal in the US (in specific counties as well) so it's not exactly a norm for the majority of the US to get solicited on the street.

Spam wise, it's annoying.
Content wise, it's annoying.

Both are annoying and I can't blame anyone for thinking this game is becoming Second Life now with how normalized it's becoming. All that's missing are the dedicated rooms with ads for phone/video sex on the walls (who knows, it might already be a thing somewhere).

I used to not care as much because at the end of the day, what people do behind closed doors is their business and my view on that still stands. When it's repeatedly shoved in my face in public areas, it's not cute...it's annoying. I don't care if people put it in the "Other" section, that can be filtered out. I care when I'm just trying to play a game I enjoy and have to see ads for "Creamy Experiences with Catgirls" lol. No one is trying to hide anything.

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I'm on Mateus, which was described to me once as the center of debauchery. Ironically, I'm not seeing the level of 18+ shout spam that anyone has talked about. I've seen it, but the deluge that's been described just isn't there. I'm not claiming it's not that bad where you are, but it doesn't seem to be the same problem everywhere.

The problem with trying to control content is that it requires a process that allows for arguing a case lest someone who didn't realize they had crossed a very-difficult-to-define line. Companies have been loath to get into that because they know how difficult it is to adjudicate.

I'm also not keen on the idea of opening up that particular pandoras box of what forms of innuendo cross the line.

And finally, this isn't actual prostitution. No sex is taking place. It's at worst a sex talk line which is something that's legal everywhere in the U.S. and while gil is changing hands, money theoretically isn't. I'm not a fan of the ads, I don't partake of the "sex" clubs, but I also understand that once you start down this line, you need a really solid set of reasoning beyond, "it's just common sense" because everyone has different lines and different ideas and given how often people disagree about "common sense" it can't actually be that common.

They did implement communities for that. People don't give a F.
I had to totally hide /shout because of that.
Every time I go to a city there's an ad for RP or FC, sometimes 3 messages long, sometimes in a langage I can't read.
Every time I open the Party Finder on Chaos there's 80% RP venues, sometimes 3 PF for the same RP venue so there's clearly fresh created chars to keep spamming PF in case they're blacklisted.
I don't care if people enjoy the game that way, but I don't want to be aware of that, it's supposed to be taboo for good reasons, and not only minors

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Originally Posted by Sjol

I'm on Mateus, which was described to me once as the center of debauchery. Ironically, I'm not seeing the level of 18+ shout spam that anyone has talked about. I've seen it, but the deluge that's been described just isn't there. I'm not claiming it's not that bad where you are, but it doesn't seem to be the same problem everywhere.

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Perhaps you've become de-sensitized to the ads then?

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Originally Posted by Sjol

while gil is changing hands, money theoretically isn't.

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It is. Feet pics chick aside that takes real cash for her photos, I've been solicited around two or three times over the last month or so by strangers with their carrd having actual USD values on them for video calls. It's not a "gil-only" thing anymore and hasn't been for a while. I'm sure once more people catch on that there's money to be made then that'll explode just like the club scene did.

Again, I don't care what people do in the privacy of their houses but I don't want/need to know the fetishes of the people around me without warning or any expression of interest. It is uncomfortable. I get it, I live on Crystal so maybe it's an assumption that people there are just into ERP (because it seems the vast majority is or is on the way there, look at Balmung and how two of our servers are known as sex hubs), but it's mind-blowing how there's a growing expectation from that community that anyone walking through a main city is just wanting to pick up a hooker at all hours of the day.

This still going?

Yeah, local convenience store sells adult magazines. Yeah, kids can reach them on the back shelf. BUT
does this convenience store have an employee standing in the plaza parking lot, SCREAMING NONSTOP about their smut magazine selection? absolutely not. selling and advertising are not even in the same realm, so people using this highly invalid type of counter "argument" are just exposing themselves as venue staff or erp mains. Enough already lol

The venue advertisers have already started to change the way they advertise, including random symbols beside all the key terms that will be filtered out by people. This is most likely (definitely) a pre-emptive change they are making in attempt to claim "this is how we've always advertised I'm not doing anything wrong". We saw that coming, didn't we folks? People who have been advertising for as long as I can remember have recently made these changes. ♪DJ GENERIC GUY♪ $$GAMBA ♥COURTS♥ §GIVEAWAYS ΦOPEN BAR etc.

While it is true that a couple advertisers would do this regularly, they always used the same symbol. There has been a significant increase of people doing it all of a sudden, using different icons/symbols. This is going to lead to a lot of things getting filtered out, which will bleed into normal chat being even further disrupted by being unable to see what people are actually talking about in the game, who aren't advertising. The term filter feature seems to be dead before arrival. This is just ridiculous.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...fective./page5
similar thread.

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Originally Posted by 1313

People who have been advertising for as long as I can remember have recently made these changes. ♪DJ GENERIC GUY♪ $$GAMBA ♥COURTS♥ §GIVEAWAYS ΦOPEN BAR etc.

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What do you mean recently? Those symbols have been on the ads since at least the covid days. It's not a preemptive attempt at anything. It's done so that readers' gaze goes directly to that term.

Will they find a way to bypass the filtering? Sure, most likely. But the symbols isn't anything new for them.

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Originally Posted by Erzaa

What do you mean recently? Those symbols have been on the ads since at least the covid days. It's not a preemptive attempt at anything. It's done so that readers' gaze goes directly to that term.

Will they find a way to bypass the filtering? Sure, most likely. But the symbols isn't anything new for them.

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"People who have been advertising for as long as I can remember have RECENTLY made these changes" ie since the announcement of the term filter, people who never had these things in their ads have added them , and changed them several times in different ads for the same, and different venues. People who have had them have also started changing them up, and using more variations SINCE THE ANNOUNCEMENT. On top of that, certain advertisers have removed all keywords like [rp] [18+] DJ , gamba, giveaway etc. Term filter is a waste of time, money, resources. It's not going to be effective.

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Originally Posted by 1313

"People who have been advertising for as long as I can remember have RECENTLY made these changes" ie since the announcement of the term filter, people who never had these things in their ads have added them , and changed them several times in different ads for the same, and different venues. People who have had them have also started changing them up, and using more variations SINCE THE ANNOUNCEMENT. On top of that, certain advertisers have removed all keywords like [rp] [18+] DJ , gamba, giveaway etc. Term filter is a waste of time, money, resources. It's not going to be effective.

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I don't know if your server is somehow different, but I assure you, those symbols have been on the ads on Chaos since I first discovered the venue scene myself, in late 2021.

I remember it specifically, because I was curious to find out how those symbols can be input into the game and found myself googling them.

This post has been up since 2019. https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../blog/4304742/

Those symbols have always been part of the advertisement. As I said, it's a deliberate strategy to get your gaze to pop right to their ad, as well as probably give their ad some extra flair. It's a simple marketing strategy, nothing more.

So, if you were to accuse a shout runner of trying to bypass filtering by using those symbols and they replied with this is how it's always been, they'd be telling the truth.

Most advertisements contain a Discord link. Just block "discord.gg/" and you will get 95% of all advertisements blocked.




Cheers

Just a friendly reminder that the term filter is still useless and we'd like a proper fix to this problem, thank you. (commenting here again since it's been brought up in another thread, again)

Few days ago I saw a venue with like 5 ads in PF. I think this should be considered spam, I don't mind the venue ads but why do you need to copy paste the same thing.
I don't think it warrants a block/mute since I honestly think that's a waste of blocklist space over something so...trivial. Give them a roleplay tab and allow people to actually filter/opt out of it. Then you get people who want to advertise a venue/RP event with people seeking that kind of content or looking for it..

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...er-not-working

Dead on arrival.

I've been using time zones in my blocked terms, haven't seen anything in weeks. Feels good.

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Originally Posted by Rueby

Few days ago I saw a venue with like 5 ads in PF. I think this should be considered spam, I don't mind the venue ads but why do you need to copy paste the same thing.
I don't think it warrants a block/mute since I honestly think that's a waste of blocklist space over something so...trivial. Give them a roleplay tab and allow people to actually filter/opt out of it. Then you get people who want to advertise a venue/RP event with people seeking that kind of content or looking for it..

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Worst part is that when you don't punish repeat postings like that, it tells the other places they can do it too. What should be maybe 6-7 listings suddenly becomes 20-30 all pointing to the same places.

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Originally Posted by hydralus

Worst part is that when you don't punish repeat postings like that, it tells the other places they can do it too. What should be maybe 6-7 listings suddenly becomes 20-30 all pointing to the same places.

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I feel like the nuclear option is to report such behavior because it falls under spam...
I'd rather people have their own RP tab and actually not spam that either. You certainly don't need 4-5 entries to advertise your venue since the PF is literally shared with the entire DC. I'd only understand if the PF was limited to one server.

But yeah I'd rather not report them, just let SE give us options and for them not to spam that option either.

I'm here about 2 years later reading this, i'm also sick and tired of it, when i talked about it people told me "use the term filter" which literally didn't do a thing because people who advertise use words that are used in normal conversations and filtering it would filter a normal conversation too, assuming only the word is filtered then there's literally no point in filtering it at all as the message will still appear in the chat. Most people come to play a video game not to indulge in some weirdo's sick fantasy and see what they have to offer in the card they're advertising through shouting. I don't mind the roleplay and in fact i take part in it too but i do mind the constant advertisement and literal erotic roleplay, both are sickening, both doesn't have a place in a video game, when i talked about it people immediately started defending it until they ran out of excuses to pull and started changing the topic.

These people themselves are aware that it's annoying yet there's not a single thing being done against it, the entire purpose of shout chat is to contact people in the same map that are distant for help on a thing, not roleplay, not some venue or house advertisement. I've been literally told by these people to let them enjoy their own thing which is weird because it's being done in public and i'm sick and tired of it, it's literally the equivalent of let me do as i please in front of your eyes but you don't have the right to complain. It's quite unbelievable how they act like they're the normal ones too.

In the end i saw that they're not stopping and now i'm simply trolling all of them until some guy above says it's enough.

Is anyone really surprised there's people in the FF14 community who would defend 40 year old's walking up to 14 year old girls and telling them they'd be a good e prostitute.

Persobnally I really just visit the cities when I need to. Buy actions, MB or for the Glamour Dresser, maybe some open-world RP (which I might add, is a bubble, and anyone without the RP tag on is ignored).
Otherwise I'm in the private house, FC house (I'm the FC leader and need to be there ever so often or it will be trashed), gathering, crafting, RPing.

I said it before in this thread, even in the game you fail to touch grass. I bet you didn't give those patches of grass in Limsa a single look for months.

It does wonders for your soul if you don't see a single ad for days because you actually move around in the game and don't bother looking at the chat.
Also having a sound cue for standard emotes towards you helps.

I think the rating should be changed to 16+, due to heavy and dark themes in the game.

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Originally Posted by Ajisaii

Is anyone really surprised there's people in the FF14 community who would defend 40 year old's walking up to 14 year old girls and telling them they'd be a good e prostitute.

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Not surprised, considering that in some areas and countries this is deemed as "okay".

Aside from this, I completely ignore them because i got so used to it that whenever I see giant red text I already know what it is. Bigger concern are those that spam PF with unnecessary garbage and flood first pages.

Are the nightclub ad spammers found on the EU and JP servers as well, or is this something unique to NA?

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Originally Posted by Dreadlime

Are the nightclub ad spammers found on the EU and JP servers as well, or is this something unique to NA?

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Oh, they're around on the EU servers as well. Not sure how often they advertise these days, since I only visit cities to cash in gear for seals/seasonal events, but there used to be quite a few shouts a year or so back at least. Enough for me to filter them out, even though they did their best to get around common word filters.

I see people yelling often in any of the hubs where players would typically be, at least that is my experience on Chaos DC. When I'm on Light DC I'm usually visiting friends so I don't see any shout ads or anything enough to comment.
I guess it's annoying because people are paid to advertise via shouts and I guess it's easy Gil for a simple task that many can do (so individually blocking people would be less effective of a strategy), or so I heard.

Imo the channel is mostly used for those random things, so it would be fine to just filter it out on your main chat channel tab to be honest.

This topic is another reason NA forum isn't taken seriously.

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Originally Posted by Brandr

This topic is another reason NA forum isn't taken seriously.

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No it is a valid reason. PF isn't really meant for Venue adverts anyway. It just was a good place to advertise to get noticed. But people have taken it too far with 4-5 PF listing just to counter another groups 4-5 Listing and it creates clutter but also they are soliciting services that are 18+ with a playerbase that varies in age. And with no ability to filter these players out other then putting the onus on the player wanting entry to these "districts" to be honest. It needs to stay out of public view

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Originally Posted by Vrahjin

Oh, they're around on the EU servers as well. Not sure how often they advertise these days, since I only visit cities to cash in gear for seals/seasonal events, but there used to be quite a few shouts a year or so back at least. Enough for me to filter them out, even though they did their best to get around common word filters.

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I dion't think it's that often, at least not on the server I'm on. At least not often enough to interrupt a conversation.Then again I tend to avoid the hubs.
They do increase around the wekend, though.

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Originally Posted by Troxbark

Ah yes, the classic "games will cause people to...".

Did gta create an entire generation of drug users and violent criminals?

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GTA taught me to make sure the homies are safe, and this is 100% a joke. Gotta kiss your homies (this is a joke, i don't condone or enforce people to do any kissing of anyone)