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05-17-2017, 02:09 PM
SeraphicRadiance

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mithron

I wonder how many Kentucky players are here? Would be the best place to put the server.

Right after Chicago, of course.

Kentucky is where I am, in fact.

Chicago for sure, though. Would have been the best location overall, IMO. Hell even Michigan would have been acceptable and made sense for Canadian players.

California not only screws over east coast players, but most Canadians as well. Chicago would have been the best happy medium for all North American players.
05-17-2017, 02:10 PM
ToppeHatte

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReikonSaisei

My ping to Montreal was 25ms. My ping to Sacramento is 89ms... more than triple the amount. May have to quit the game if it is unplayable now.

I'm in Cali and regularly played NIN at 90-100+ daily without really noticing anything. While this situation isn't ideal (it really should have been centralized I think), I honestly believe people on the east coast should be a-ok. It's the people in Europe I feel super bad about.
05-17-2017, 02:11 PM
savageink

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kethic

I also get Seattle to San Jose to Sacramento in the tracert for now, or Philly to 'asbn' Virginia to San Jose to Sacramento. At the moment, the IP is routed to Sacramento. Maybe in 2 hours it'll change. (shrug)

LOL! This is why I was saying wait for the servers to come up and get optimized. Even when the servers come up and you can log in and get an in game ping screen, it doesn't mean the routing will have set in place yet. People expect everything to work faster than it does in reality. That 24 hours might be the best advice in this thread.
05-17-2017, 02:11 PM
RokkuEkkusu

Might as well bring up my point of view from the similar thread:

I live in Hawaii. I didn't have much trouble playing FFXIV despite the servers being in Montreal at the time (which is very far from Hawaii BTW).

The game ran smoothly, I can dodge aoes, and I can do my rotations smoothly.
05-17-2017, 02:12 PM
Valkyrie_Lenneth

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReikonSaisei

My ping to Montreal was 25ms. My ping to Sacramento is 89ms... more than triple the amount. May have to quit the game if it is unplayable now.

So basically, you are going to quit because your ping is doing the opposite of what mine did? The game is hardly unplayable at 89ms, or ever 114 as mine would frequently jump to. Only over 170 did it really start to get annoying.
05-17-2017, 02:14 PM
Gumbercules

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

It also mostly impacts endgame content because that's where you're trying to optimize. At least, relatively speaking. I disagree with the OP though, 190-200 ping is awful. But it's also not something to quit the game over. Just get WTFast/Battleping.

think the issue ppl have with this knee jerk reactions is the game is designed around a 250 ping or lower, still you have ppl post their game play experience with 190 ish ping in games like wow and BnS, Diablo etc lol.
05-17-2017, 02:15 PM
Kouren

It's possible to raid effectively in the 150 ms range; people under that should be more than fine. I didn't have to start using a VPN for raiding until my ping hit the 180+ range. (Which it did, regularly, in the 3.0~3.3 era.) If you're not raiding, even 180ms should be perfectly playable.
05-17-2017, 02:16 PM
MishaLune

Its weird, when i did the tracert i got redirected to Amsterdam and its the reason i got 236ms ping (i hope). The ping to montreal before was around 99-105ms ping, a direct ping to a server thats located in california is about 105ms ping (mudfish).
05-17-2017, 02:17 PM
MisterLucie

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReikonSaisei

My ping to Montreal was 25ms. My ping to Sacramento is 89ms... more than triple the amount. May have to quit the game if it is unplayable now.

3 is triple the amount of 1. That doesn't mean it's a large number.

89ms is unnoticeable and very far from unplayable.
05-17-2017, 02:18 PM
Rokke

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReikonSaisei

My ping to Montreal was 25ms. My ping to Sacramento is 89ms... more than triple the amount. May have to quit the game if it is unplayable now.

If you're in double digits you literally have nothing to cry about.
05-17-2017, 02:19 PM
LunaFaye

I will have to quit too, if we are going by the speculations, my ping would be 15-20 and 0% packet loss. Prior my ping was around 230 and 44% packet loss on comcast, 183 and 21% packet loss on AT&T. Now I don't have any excuses anymore when I die because I stood intentionally in aoe's. Having such an improvement takes away the fun of gaming.
05-17-2017, 02:19 PM
Hestzhyen

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToppeHatte

I'm in Cali and regularly played NIN at 90-100+ daily without really noticing anything. While this situation isn't ideal (it really should have been centralized I think), I honestly believe people on the east coast should be a-ok. It's the people in Europe I feel super bad about.

We might be okay, but we're still tired of nearly every online game hosting servers for the whole NA continent out in California... :P It was nice to have ~20 ping for a while. Oh well. Regardless of where the servers end up, my ping will go up. I just hope the location benefits more people than it hurts.
05-17-2017, 02:22 PM
ToppeHatte

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hestzhyen

We might be okay, but we're still tired of nearly every online game hosting servers for the whole NA continent out in California... :P It was nice to have ~20 ping for a while. Oh well. Regardless of where the servers end up, my ping will go up. I just hope the location benefits more people than it hurts.

Oh yeah I totally understand that, just attempting to soothe the people on the east coast who are in panic mode at the moment. It's a really confusing move on SE's part but I'm 99% sure that so long as anyone who is worried actually on the NA continent, they'll be fine even if it'll take some adjustments.
05-17-2017, 02:26 PM
TarikD

While double digit pings are a luxury, you feel the impact starting at 150 and above. A lot of will will get a ping increase, but it wouldn't pass a threshold where you'd even notice something. I feel confident that those in NA will be able to play as usual, possibly better due to the modern infrastructure of the new data center facility.

It is the EU players we have to feel for.
05-17-2017, 02:26 PM
swiss_Momo

Potentially getting rid of a bunch of WoWfugees is a good thing though :^)
05-17-2017, 02:27 PM
Valkyrie_Lenneth

Quote:

Originally Posted by TarikD

While double digit pings are a luxury, you feel the impact starting at 150 and above. A lot of will will get a ping increase, but it wouldn't pass a threshold where you'd even notice something. I feel confident that those in NA will be able to play as usual, possibly better due to the modern infrastructure of the new data center facility.

It is the EU players we have to feel for.

Its not like they had a shiny new datacenter put in for them 2 years a- wait a second.
05-17-2017, 02:28 PM
Mekhana

I went from 170ms to 309ms... I don't think the game will be playable for me anymore

I'm supposed to get an average of 120ms from Cali servers but the tracert indicates for some reason its bouncing all the way to Spain first.
05-17-2017, 02:29 PM
Legewiel

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaxelyn

Congratz on trying to insult someone who knows what they are talking about.
http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/204.2.229.9

The IP is now showing Michigan, where before the hop before tracert timed out was California. On top of the fact that I am a network engineer. So everyone can keep crying about California, or they can figure out it's not actually California.

That same page you linked have an article with that written "Accuracy rates on naming the city from an IP address vary between 50%-80%."
05-17-2017, 02:30 PM
LadyKianna

Quote:

Originally Posted by MuseTraveller

I'm so bummed. I was so hoping for central or west coast. I will test and see how bad it is when servers are up. I already played with 160~ and now it'll jump to 200~ ;_;

Um, @MuseTraveller California IS on the west coast...
05-17-2017, 02:30 PM
Mhaeric

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReikonSaisei

My ping to Montreal was 25ms. My ping to Sacramento is 89ms... more than triple the amount. May have to quit the game if it is unplayable now.

Here's a little tongue in cheek and highly subjective table to help you, and others out:

Code:

Ping Rating relative to FFXIV's needs <10-20 Amaze-balls 20-40 Awesome-sauce 40-60 Terrific 60-80 Great 80-100 Good 100-120 Decent 120-140 Okay 140-160 Okay, but end game stuff may start to become difficult 160-180 Okay, but may have some issues dodging at times 180-200 Playable, but expect dodging issues 200-230 Playable, but expect frequent dodging issues 230+ Here is where you might want to consider other options such as ISP upgrade, checking ping to other data centers, etc.

So you basically went from awesome to good ping. I.e. "The game will be playable for you" is a massive understatement.
05-17-2017, 02:31 PM
Kethic

We're seeing people bouncing to Amsterdam, Spain, etc. Maybe the routes are finally started to search and update.
05-17-2017, 02:31 PM
Exiled_Tonberry

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReikonSaisei

My ping to Montreal was 25ms. My ping to Sacramento is 89ms... more than triple the amount. May have to quit the game if it is unplayable now.

I've played on 105ms, did Titan and whatever other raids all well enough.

89 you'll be fine, especially with everything running on better gear.
05-17-2017, 02:33 PM
skyfox

Wow ping looks great from New Zealand. It used to be 200ms+ when it was in CA.

bash-3.2$ ping 204.2.229.9
PING 204.2.229.9 (204.2.229.9): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 204.2.229.9: icmp_seq=0 ttl=55 time=141.164 ms
64 bytes from 204.2.229.9: icmp_seq=1 ttl=55 time=140.432 ms
64 bytes from 204.2.229.9: icmp_seq=2 ttl=55 time=140.516 ms

My traceroute [v0.85]
Wed May 17 17:30:53 2017
Keys: Help Display mode Restart statistics Order of fields quit
Packets Pings
Host Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev
1. 192.168.89.1 0.0% 8 1.1 1.4 1.1 2.4 0.0
2. ae0-130.mdr-cr1.as45177.net.nz 0.0% 8 1.5 1.6 1.4 2.4 0.0
3. as45177.ae1-1001.cr1.sjc2.us.as4436.gtt.ne 0.0% 7 189.3 144.6 135.0 189.3 20.2
4. ae7-1001.cr0-sjc2.ip4.gtt.net 0.0% 7 135.0 135.4 135.0 136.7 0.4
5. et-0-0-7-1.cr6-sjc1.ip4.gtt.net 0.0% 7 135.9 137.8 135.3 144.2 2.9
6. as2914.sjc12.ip4.gtt.net 0.0% 7 136.1 136.0 135.6 136.7 0.0
7. ae-1.r00.scrmca02.us.bb.gin.ntt.net 0.0% 7 139.7 139.9 139.7 140.5 0.0
8. xe-0-1-0-1-1.r00.scrmca02.us.ce.gin.ntt.ne 0.0% 7 140.3 140.1 140.0 140.3 0.0
9. 204.2.229.234 0.0% 7 139.8 140.1 139.8 140.5 0.0
10. 204.2.229.9 0.0% 7 139.8 140.0 139.6 141.5 0.4
05-17-2017, 02:37 PM
anryo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Its not like they had a shiny new datacenter put in for them 2 years a- wait a second.

What about SA players? I went from 180 to 260, and I can assure you I dont have a shiny datacenter for me.

Btw, to the people crying while having double digits, don't complain about something you have no idea what you're talking about. Up to 150 is perfectly normal, I raided the entire coil on 220ms, got better after 3.0, getting an stable 180, and did the entire Savage tiers too.
But I think thats it for me, they screwed a lot of people while improved the situation for some others, but the improvement will be barely noticeable.
05-17-2017, 02:37 PM
hynaku

My ping should be way lower now since live in WA and servers will now be in CA. Maybe won't lag so much and disconnect multiple times a day.
05-17-2017, 02:39 PM
Mekhana

Yeah I just noticed the odd bouncing being done to Netherlands and Spain. Hopefully Squeenix reads the forums and manages to fix this problem before servers come up.
05-17-2017, 02:39 PM
Airget

Since this is talks about moving servers, I wanna chime in with something that disappoints me if they don't end up doing it.

I would like it if they tried a 2 week test run with combining the DF of bother datacenters. The overall risk would outweigh any issues that may occur, if it doesn't work out, revert it, but if they have no issues then you create an environment that allows all NA based servers to play together decreasing overall wait times to do content.
05-17-2017, 02:42 PM
Jaxelyn

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mekhana

Yeah I just noticed the odd bouncing being done to Netherlands and Spain. Hopefully Squeenix reads the forums and manages to fix this problem before servers come up.

Unfortunately, they don't have control over that and depending on the company controlling the internet, they might not even be able to complain about it.
05-17-2017, 02:43 PM
Nightroad

Would the people speaking common sense please leave !
Logic has no place in a "the sky is falling thread".

I am going back to hiding under the bed in panic.

Seriously though , wait and give it time.
05-17-2017, 02:44 PM
Jaxelyn

Quote:

Originally Posted by Airget

Since this is talks about moving servers, I wanna chime in with something that disappoints me if they don't end up doing it.

I would like it if they tried a 2 week test run with combining the DF of bother datacenters. The overall risk would outweigh any issues that may occur, if it doesn't work out, revert it, but if they have no issues then you create an environment that allows all NA based servers to play together decreasing overall wait times to do content.

I want to say that might have been mentions somewhere, but I think for SB? Not sure where/if I read this.
05-17-2017, 02:46 PM
Kaitlen

Japan player here, been playing on Hyperion with really no issues from Tokyo since XIV restarted with ARR. My previous pings were ~280-320 and now:

Code:

Tracing route to 204.2.229.9 over a maximum of 30 hops 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms router.asus.com [192.168.1.254] 2 6 ms 3 ms 3 ms 118.23.31.228 3 5 ms 5 ms 6 ms 118.23.31.25 4 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms 118.23.30.25 5 3 ms 2 ms 3 ms 153.146.171.65 6 3 ms 3 ms 4 ms 60.37.54.77 7 11 ms 10 ms 10 ms ae-5.r03.tokyjp05.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net [120.88.53.25] 8 * 12 ms 12 ms ae-4.r30.tokyjp05.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.34] 9 122 ms 124 ms 121 ms ae-4.r23.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.5.78] 10 124 ms 124 ms 124 ms ae-45.r01.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.175] 11 124 ms 124 ms 124 ms ae-1.r00.scrmca02.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.7.31] 12 125 ms 124 ms 125 ms xe-0-1-0-1-1.r00.scrmca02.us.ce.gin.ntt.net [129.250.195.46] 13 124 ms 124 ms 124 ms 204.2.229.234 14 123 ms 123 ms 123 ms 204.2.229.9 Trace complete.

I suppose this is good, but I was fine before the move. Never really had any issue with lag... (Home ISP in Tokyo is OCN via NTT, same as what you guys call FIOS in the states)
05-17-2017, 02:46 PM
Pfil

i read it's a move too a larger data center to accomodate SB. The old center wasnt big enough..
05-17-2017, 02:47 PM
Mhaeric

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mekhana

Yeah I just noticed the odd bouncing being done to Netherlands and Spain. Hopefully Squeenix reads the forums and manages to fix this problem before servers come up.

FWIW, from western Canada it doesn't do any odd hops. Not sure that's worth anything because we're located very close to the apparent location. My tracert from Vancouver only goes through Seattle and San Jose before arriving at Sacramento.

Code:

Tracing route to 204.2.229.9 over a maximum of 30 hops 1 10 ms 7 ms 8 ms 192.168.0.1 2 24 ms 20 ms 17 ms 24.86.64.1 3 32 ms 18 ms 20 ms rd3st-tge0-4-0-1-1.vc.shawcable.net [64.59.147.205] 4 20 ms 25 ms 29 ms rc2wt-be50-1.wa.shawcable.net [66.163.70.106] 5 18 ms 22 ms 30 ms xe-0-6-0-19.r04.sttlwa01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.200.193] 6 23 ms 22 ms 31 ms ae-5.r21.sttlwa01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.2.7] 7 37 ms 44 ms 47 ms ae-3.r23.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.124] 8 62 ms 47 ms 50 ms ae-41.r02.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.6.119] 9 51 ms 43 ms 42 ms ae-2.r00.scrmca02.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.7.33] 10 43 ms 57 ms 47 ms xe-0-1-0-1-1.r00.scrmca02.us.ce.gin.ntt.net [129.250.195.46] 11 77 ms 49 ms 48 ms 204.2.229.234 12 152 ms 99 ms 49 ms 204.2.229.9 Trace complete.
05-17-2017, 02:47 PM
Junkboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mekhana

Yeah I just noticed the odd bouncing being done to Netherlands and Spain. Hopefully Squeenix reads the forums and manages to fix this problem before servers come up.

That's an ISP problem not a FF problem.
05-17-2017, 02:48 PM
Shurrikhan

190-200 ms ping has significant GCD clipping and, in XIV's case, tends also to have a high amount of missed commands/inputs. If you'd played at sub-90 ms for a while and then went back, trust me, it would indeed leave a very bitter taste to your gameplay. There is, however, virtually no difference once under 80 ms ping, as that point you're only being held back by internal cooldowns (animation times), which would be just as significant if you were somehow playing entirely client side / single-player.
05-17-2017, 02:49 PM
savageink

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mekhana

Yeah I just noticed the odd bouncing being done to Netherlands and Spain. Hopefully Squeenix reads the forums and manages to fix this problem before servers come up.

That's all the individual nodes in the system trying to slowly correct their information. I wouldn't be surprised if the traceroute went to the International Space Station...
05-17-2017, 02:49 PM
Jaxelyn

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pfil

i read it's a move too a larger data center to accomodate SB. The old center wasnt big enough..

Yeah, part of the reason I think they are talking about more inventory space also.
05-17-2017, 02:52 PM
Hestzhyen

They're definitely changing stuff- now I'm getting routed through Texas and the connection's getting dropped there. Wish I had huge tub of popcorn while waiting to see how this plays out... also neolobby2.ffxiv.com is listed as 92.242.140.21. Wish my networking courses had spent less time on the theoretical and more on the practical- this stuff is fascinating.
05-17-2017, 02:53 PM
Kallistra

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mhaeric

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It's really hard for me to give out a lot of information about her situation because she really lives in such a small town. I can say it is Canada and it is northern Ontario. The area only has one ISP and has needed upgrades to their internet services for many years now. I don't think they've actually ever upgraded anything since they got internet up there in the early 2000's.

I had her ping again
https://puu.sh/vSyfI/7270e1f628.png

(edit)Selli has made a post on her blog with more information. With wtfast she is running at about 250 ms now.
05-17-2017, 02:54 PM
Pfil

popcorn's good.. popcorn's very good.. 1 hour 8 minutes to go.. ::sigh::

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