Healing Focus or DPS Focus

I didn't read the entire thread and someone else may have made this point already but I saw mention of a tank rotation early on. The difference with tank rotation is that when I tank, I can weave in mits on myself or the party as needed and handle my main job of aggro and boss positioning but still keep my dps rotation going.

When I heal, I may have to completely drop the dps to rescue a run that's going pear-shaped and focus entirely on healing. So having a more rigid rotation takes away some of the flexibility a healer has to address that sort of situation. 11111 is also boring. I'm not sure what the solution is but that would be one concern I would have with a tank-style dps rotation.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

I didn't read the entire thread and someone else may have made this point already but I saw mention of a tank rotation early on. The difference with tank rotation is that when I tank, I can weave in mits on myself or the party as needed and handle my main job of aggro and boss positioning but still keep my dps rotation going.

When I heal, I may have to completely drop the dps to rescue a run that's going pear-shaped and focus entirely on healing. So having a more rigid rotation takes away some of the flexibility a healer has to address that sort of situation. 11111 is also boring. I'm not sure what the solution is but that would be one concern I would have with a tank-style dps rotation.

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This is honestly something that I've lost count of repeating, but this concern has been brought up, this concern has also been brought up - and indeed addressed in other games- and consequently why I haven't seen anyone ask for a "rigid rotation".

Also, even if one or more healers did include true rotation, this game already has uses the concept of a rotation that isn't rigid, but can't be returned to, so I don't see why that concept couldn't be applied. Not to mention OGCDs still exist.

I find it interesting that all arguments against any sort of change to the damage kit can be boiled down to "but my dps".

People have become so intoxicated by how easy healing is that they cannot accept that they sometimes have to sacrifice damage to do the only job they're in the party for.

If the general community sentiment is "I don't want to lose damage for any reason, I want to do my main job completely for free despite any situation.", then I can see why the dev team is stuck on designing healers in more creative ways. The only design that can fit that kind of sentiment is what we have now, spam one button with 1 weave slot and any GCD spells will be damage neutral, so that's just what we're going to be stuck with.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

I find it interesting that all arguments against any sort of change to the damage kit can be boiled down to "but my dps".

People have become so intoxicated by how easy healing is that they cannot accept that they sometimes have to sacrifice damage to do the only job they're in the party for.

If the general community sentiment is "I don't want to lose damage for any reason, I want to do my main job completely for free despite any situation.", then I can see why the dev team is stuck on designing healers in more creative ways. The only design that can fit that kind of sentiment is what we have now, spam one button with 1 weave slot and any GCD spells will be damage neutral, so that's just what we're going to be stuck with.

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That’s what I conclude, reading many forum posts. Every response ppl want for healers is more DPS buttons, on top of healing buttons. Ogcds are boring, but don’t add too much gcds cause it’ll sacrifice healing dps so it ends up a dumpster fire. I mean, you got Sage…SAGE, the team giving ppl what they ask for…NOPE. You throw your hands up.

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Originally Posted by Osmond

That’s what I conclude, reading many forum posts. Every response ppl want for healers is more DPS buttons, on top of healing buttons. Ogcds are boring, but don’t add too much gcds cause it’ll sacrifice healing dps so it ends up a dumpster fire. I mean, you got Sage…SAGE, the team giving ppl what they ask for…NOPE. You throw your hands up.

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I wouldn’t call Sage the DPS healer that people were asking for. It’s still has the one button issue that all healers have and some of its kit is too similar to SCH.

If we are talking about PvP SGE, then yea, I can agree to that in some extent.

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Originally Posted by Osmond

That’s what I conclude, reading many forum posts. Every response ppl want for healers is more DPS buttons, on top of healing buttons. Ogcds are boring, but don’t add too much gcds cause it’ll sacrifice healing dps so it ends up a dumpster fire. I mean, you got Sage…SAGE, the team giving ppl what they ask for…NOPE. You throw your hands up.

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SGE isn't even a dps healer, that's a facade...it has about the same rotation as the rest of the healers with really no change. If it had some variations in a rotation, then it could be but that is strictly not the case. SGE is basically the response if I said look at the three healers, become mostly SCH but take some aspects from WHM and AST. It's a cookie cutter job, people did not want a cookie cutter job; they wanted SGE to be its own job, the DPS healer.

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Originally Posted by Katish

SGE isn't even a dps healer, that's a facade...it has about the same rotation as the rest of the healers with really no change. If it had some variations in a rotation, then it could be but that is strictly not the case. SGE is basically the response if I said look at the three healers, become mostly SCH but take some aspects from WHM and AST. It's a cookie cutter job, people did not want a cookie cutter job; they wanted SGE to be its own job, the DPS healer.

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This is correct. SGE is basically taking mechanics from the other three Jobs, mostly from SCH, and it resulted it a half baked Job that failed to live up to the expectations.

I'll say it again as loud as I can be: SGE is NOT the DPS Healer job that was promised!!!

Though I am cautiously optimistic that we'll get a slight course correction in DT.

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Originally Posted by currentlemon

I wouldn’t call Sage the DPS healer that people were asking for. It’s still has the one button issue that all healers have and some of its kit is too similar to SCH.

If we are talking about PvP SGE, then yea, I can agree to that in some extent.

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………So, let me get this straight. …it doesn’t matter if a healer has many dps oGCDs, all that matters is that 1, single button?

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Originally Posted by currentlemon

This is correct. SGE is basically taking mechanics from the other three Jobs, mostly from SCH, and it resulted it a half baked Job that failed to live up to the expectations.

I'll say it again as loud as I can be: SGE is NOT the DPS job that was promised!!!

Though I am cautiously optimistic that we'll get a slight course correction in DT.

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Nope, nope…this is where if I was a dev, I throw my hands up.

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Originally Posted by Osmond

………So, let me get this straight. …it doesn’t matter if a healer has many dps oGCDs, all that matters is that 1, single button?

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What matters is the rotation. If the rotation is still 1 button spam then it doesn't matter if you call it the dps healer, the tank healer or the healer healer, its the same as the rest. Sge failed to be the dps healer when its dps rotation is largely the same as the other 3