Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

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Originally Posted by Malicewolf

Us tanks are rare commodities :P Most people play as DPS. As you've likely noticed by now, there's a lot of pressure on tanks in general in this game to be DPS as well as tanks. Tanks are also easily blamed for things (as are healers as well) and overall, people prefer to push out higher damage numbers in general rather than play as a tank. So because there are considerably less tanks than DPS, our queue's are practically instant. Try playing a DPS sometime and you'll notice you'll be sitting on some queue's for an hour. I honestly hate solo queuing as a DPS for this very reason.

While it is nice for a tank to try to be considerate of his entire party, I will also say, that DPS in your party was a jerk... Kicking him would likely of been the better option, but I don't necessarily blame you for leaving either. And in lower level dungeons, if your healer is not a WHM, they may not have protect as one of their 1st cross classes and it might of gotten cut off. So honestly, having a tank that has it is usually a great thing. Dunno where that LNC was even coming from with his statement.

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It's like class-warfare in this game man. lol
And the odd thing is, it feels like I would be taking less heat if I was jerk tank with an attitude of "I'm one of the few Tanks; that means you do what I say maggots!"

But I am anarchist tank. Who believes every player is equal in their own rights unless their words prove otherwise.
And would rather remove myself from a bad situation then to try abuse an authority (that I did not even know that I had tell this thread) and strong-arm 2 other people in the group to kick the 3rd in fear of my leaving unless they vote yes and keep me happy.

Yeah, DPS are easily replaceable in this game - I should know, I main one. That doesn't mean people should have the attitude of "if they dont do what i want them to do, kickem"; I myself am prone to rather embarrassing mistakes in faceroll content because I stopped paying attention long long ago (I got every DPS and every healer, and almost all tanks to level 60 - I'm rather apathetic at this point whenever I see people deliberately screwing with me when I tank. And yes, DPS deliberately screwing with Tanks are all-too-common).

IMO, you did the right thing by leaving, Masquerade. You willingly took penalty because your enjoyment of the content in that very case was greatly diminished by some hell-bent lancer (scowls, I'm a DRG main). I'd rather leave in that case than start a full-blown argument even after you told them to stop, and I would certainly not be mad had I been in that party; seeing as one of the only full-blown arguments I had in this game was in the Vault, as AST, with a newbie PLD who wore 120 gear, did not dodge a single thing, did not even ATTEMPT to hold aggro, and after we predictably wiped to Charibert 4 times they told me to "heal, you idiot". That was the one single time I absolutely and completely went NUCLEAR on someone because we had not wiped a single time before that due to me keeping the DPS who plucked aggro off me alive, as well as our more than terribad tank. I didn't leave, I growled at the TV and attempted, until after the 10th try I initiated a Vite Abandon because there was no way we'd clear that, ever, due to Mr 120-Dodging-Is-For-Babies bleeding my MP reserves absolutely dry before we even reached the post-Balls phase of the fight. I apologised to the DPS before that, and they just attempted to soothe my nerves because they saw how I did 120% (ha) and it still wasn't enough. I was in a bad mood for DAYS. I should've left then, and I still regret to this day that I didn't just hit that Leave button and went to pet my bunnies for that half an hour of penalty time (kicking newbies from instances is an absolute no-go for me).

Tanks who demands others to do as they say are IMO the absolute worst. Maybe the healer's not comfortable with DPSing. Maybe the DPS are still learning their rotation properly and screw up a little - best thing to do is offer advice if they accept it (my friend and I as tank and healer taught a baby SMN and a NIN I think some basics about their classes in post 50 content in Sohm Al. From rather bumpy it suddenly turned into one of the smoothest, most fun Sohm Al runs I've had while levelling PLD).
Tanks being in demand does not mean they are absolutely and totally required to stay if someone deliberately screws with 'em. There are those who prevail, but you can usually see their enjoyment whittling down, unless they've reached apathy nirvana like one of my friends. Seriously, tearing aggro off him is like bringing down the Chinese Wall, and he doesn't really care and just picks the mob back up.

Anyway, I dunno why this derailment happened, Masquerade was absolutely correct in their decision to not bother with a terrible run due to a lancer having a **** attitude over them using Protect (who even CARES, I say, narrowing my eyes every time a PLD insists on using Protect after I had used it already. In their case, however, the Heal hadn't used Protect, so I won't bat an eyelash).

Back on topic, the quest to Grandmaster of War with Warrior led me to Dragon's Neck today. I froze in terror, because that trial is usually the epitome of terribad for me. Other than Typhon pushing me around lots because I never tanked him before, we downed it in one go. How come the tanking class I like least always gets me into the smoothest, most enjoyable instances of content I normally dread? What kinda shenanigans is Chaos up to these days, what the...

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Originally Posted by Masquerade

I say "To me, that just sounds like a whole lot of reason for DPS to just relax and let tanks/healers do their jobs. "
and you replay [B]"Seeing as how this means that any underperforming DPS is very easily kicked and replaced, not really. Nobody ever notices when a DPS is doing their job well, either."[/B ....."just relax and let tanks healers do their jobs"....."not really" unless you misunderstood my meaning, then your saying dps can do what they want to.

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Well, whatever the case, I never said DPS can do what they want to. I've said what I wanted to say, anyway.

I've played as all 3 roles to level 60. I've had shit heaped on me, been called names and cussed at, no matter what role I was playing or whether or not whatever incident happened was actually my fault. Tank, healer, DPS, none of it makes you immune to abuse, no matter how well you play. I always do the best I can in whatever role I choose, because that's a point of personal pride for me. But things like this will always be inevitable unless you choose to play with a select group of friends, which is difficult to do at the best of times.

I don't know whether to cry about this or not.

My boyfriend (WAR), his brother (NIN), and I (SCH) 3 manned Titan. When Titan has about 10ish % HP, I got Goal (for the 5th time). My boyfriend broke me out just as Landslide popped. Fortunately for him, he got out in time. Unfortunately for me, I fell off.

He then just laughed at me saying "never seen you fall off in Titan HM. Lmfao oops my bad."

But they two manned Titan and beat him on the last 10%

I cannot agree anymore with the mentality that if you are a tank and you feel that you are being treated unfairly or that you do not think you can continue playing with a group, you are free to leave if you so wish. It sucks for the group, I've been there. But if you are unhappy playing and tanking for this group than you are under no obligation to continue doing so. I've had DPS who will pull more than I am up to in runs where they are completely backed up by the healer. When I say something to the effect of "Please don't pull more than what I am feeling up to" and you decide to disrespect that? That is grounds for leaving. Just as when a healer is uncomfortable with how a tank pulls or a DPS. Do not kick someone unless they are actually harassing you, I'll take my penalty no matter what class I am in. I've had to deal with tanks who became a harassing troll once I told him to please not point boss x way and kill us or please move the add this way because where you put it buffs the add. Continued to harass us to get us to kick him so we did even though I hated having to be able to give him that kick without a penalty. Kicked and once was able, reported.

You are not a doormat. No you do not have to make everyone submit to your demands but there's no reason for you to take any unfair treatment. If the others don't speak up, they are just as complicit in that bad behavior.

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Originally Posted by Maddonious

Leave the man alone...

1. Threaten them: Make them respect your privilege and authority before continuing the dungeon. Let the know whos in charge. Halt the dungeon to a complete stop until you get an apology...

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For step 1, remember to threaten in a way that is not reportable, meaning...stay calm and keep you threat clean. =)

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Originally Posted by MeiUshu

Nobody said that at all...but if it suits you to believe so be my guest. I dont think you will ever admit that your attitude may not be appropriate. I am a firm believer that karma has a way. So in time we will read about how unfair it was for you to be kicked because you didnt know why or because you were not good enough....although you will say you were.

At any rate...good luck

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That's quite the personal attack there karma will get you? The tank dictates the speed of the dungeon and pulls at his/her discretion not the DPS pace, the fact that the DPS made a snide comment that he had to cast Protect? The healer can cast that WHILE they're in combat his attitude was justified if you don't wanna take that crap from people in a random you don't have to, you could have vote kicked the DPS but your enjoyment as a paying customer is first.

You can sit here and be the judge, jury, and executioner all you want because he didn't act the way you wanted? Who pissed in your cheerios? This is for groups who "make you laugh, cry, or vent" all you are doing is crying on the forums because someone didn't agree with you hope you have thick skin. Also the ques aren't even an hour for DPS where are you getting this information? I think the most I've had is 15 minutes for tanks yes it's instant, yes it might take a while to get a new one as he stated he is new so he probably hasn't taken that into account.

So just leave the guy alone he's been very respectful to you and your comments saying stuff like that is just down right offensive i'd never act so inconsiderate saying how I wish karma of all things to get someone to post in another topic how he got the crap end of the stick.

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Originally Posted by Masquerade

Now assuming the group I left duo to that cactuar-mouth lancer (Ironically the dps in that Howling group was also a lancer. But he was funny.) did not find a replacement tank for that group, and just had to sit around for that timer to count down so they could disband without getting that penalty for leaving on their own....I feel bad for this 2 innocent bystanders in the group that just got caught between him and I.

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I don't think anyone mentioned this, but there are some ways to fix the situation where tank drops. Like when I'm in a run and the tank drops, I will drop and reque as tank. Yes, I end up in the same party every time I did it. Unless someone in my FC or LS can tank it for me. So its not just relying on someone to que, but its for the party members to maybe ask their friends for help.

PS. As a healer, I don't mind if the PLD cast protect/stoneskin. It helps specially if the DPS likes to stand in "the bads".

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Originally Posted by Masquerade

It's like class-warfare in this game man. lol
And the odd thing is, it feels like I would be taking less heat if I was jerk tank with an attitude of "I'm one of the few Tanks; that means you do what I say maggots!"

But I am anarchist tank. Who believes every player is equal in their own rights unless their words prove otherwise.
And would rather remove myself from a bad situation then to try abuse an authority (that I did not even know that I had tell this thread) and strong-arm 2 other people in the group to kick the 3rd in fear of my leaving unless they vote yes and keep me happy.

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Haha too true. Every class is often at each other's throats to play the blame game on one another. But there's plenty out there who are civil. I usually have a LOT of patience as a tank with others honestly. I've stuck it out in groups way past the point of it being fun anymore, but that was my own personal choice to do so. But even I have had to strong arm a few times as a tank and just sit back and wait. Past the 1st few dungeons, it's not reasonable for DPS to try to clear dungeons anymore without a tank. Unless everyone is very much on point, they won't get past bosses tankless. But if they are that good, USUALLY they aren't the type of a-hats that would piss off their tank in the first place. Especially over something so silly like using protect.

Worth pointing out that leaving an instance with a party that isn't full doesn't give you the penalty.

Basically, it saves people from being stuck if someone else DC's.

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Originally Posted by Maddonious

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Holding party hostage unless they obey you is a reportable action.

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Originally Posted by Cakekizyy

Holding party hostage unless they obey you is a reportable action.

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True. But the post was satire.

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Originally Posted by Cakekizyy

Holding party hostage unless they obey you is a reportable action.

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Yeah he was joking I think but it does happen and it's a really petty thing to do if you think someone is a harassing you vote kick them in most cases the party will agree to kick them if not report them and suck it up and complete dungeon or quit and take the penalty.

My bad, hard to tell sometimes if someone is serious

Just watched Selli spend 20 minutes fighting Ser Charibert. Pretty sure she and the tank were out DPSing both the DPS by a mile. MNK was spamming Bootshine + True Strike and the BRD wasn't using WM or DoTs.

Got stuck with an AST in WoD who only used Diurnal Sect Aspected Helios. Is this the thing now with ASTs and WHMs to just use their aoe regens and nothing else? Cause if it is I don't like it.

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Originally Posted by Kallistra

Just watched Selli spend 20 minutes fighting Ser Charibert. Pretty sure she and the tank were out DPSing both the DPS by a mile. MNK was spamming Bootshine + True Strike and the BRD wasn't using WM or DoTs.

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I swear Selli has the most unfortunate luck in existence. :/

That moment when your doing Weeping City as SMN. No other casters in party. Really wanted Casting Chest piece. Instead rolled on Boots on 2nd boss. Chest piece drops on 3rd boss. *I'm weeping* I ended up getting the boots instead because the chest piece didn't drop at all last week, so I didn't get any gear for that week, and I just wanted something. ;_; I left after seeing that it dropped; I had already gotten my Penny/Matter earlier and I can be replaced quick, so it doesn't matter. Whelp. Anyway, hopefully next week, I get it... Sometimes I just hate my luck. Run went great however.

Had a Library run with a Scholar who was first-timer.

And tank I had seen before, and didn't much care for in a previous run either because of tank's attitude and movement.

Running back and forth constantly, spinning mobs left and right, making it extremely hard to land trick attack! Quite vexing.

Anyway, decided to hang in there.
Things are going okay, but Scholar dies early on first boss (Demon Wall).
Tank then curses and becomes angry.

It's the scholar's first time. Give him a break!

Then things go well except I have trouble landing trick attack because tank spins mobs so much. Used Shadewalker 4 times because tank had trouble generating enmity, even though I only attack tank's target.

Finally at last boss, Scholar dies again.

It's okay, for me. I don't care. It's his first time. What is an extra 5 minutes?

Then I also made a stupid mistake (got hit by 2 orbs that were near each other. Oops). Already had low health though because scholar died, but still, my mistake.

Tank flips out. Cursing and telling us we've been in their "for ages" and we are "depressing".
But really, the run was normal speed. And one DPS was still 59 and not putting out too much.

We run back to boss and scholar asks us to wait 1 minute.
Tank gets angry again and begins emoting in succession. Casts Stoneskin on us. (But not himself???)

Scholar is gone literally only 30 seconds, but tank still is having a fit.

I just kept thinking. "If this fellow gets so angry and frustrated with such a minor thing, how can he handle REAL problems in REAL life?"
My guess is that it must be impossible for him.

Having a healer die in the game on his first time in dungeon is not big deal. There are MUCH bigger things in life to worry about.
Apparently, this tank doesn't think so.

Anyway, can't we have some way to block players in other servers. I don't want to put up with this bad tank's attitude and spinning all the mobs. But I also don't want to take 30 minute penalty and make other people wait for another DPS. Especially during daytime hours when many people aren't running dungeons.

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Originally Posted by SaitoHikari

I swear Selli has the most unfortunate luck in existence. :/

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...Except with that super amazing boyfriend though. ... Right...? RIGHT?

Wiping City last night.
Get to second boss and there's not enough DPS to kill the zombie adds... Twice. Of those two attempts we only manage to reach the actual three add phase once, in which we wipe spectacularly just after the succubus dies. Attempt three and one tank pulls when my alliance only has a four man group (we'd only just had a second healer and other DPS join and were still making their way over to the arena). Naturally, the first set of zombies don't die again giving us 2-3 Vuln stacks. We wipe soon after.

It's now 9:45pm here and I'm feeling exhausted from witnessing all the dumb mistakes select individuals in this group are making, so I nope the hell out of there and spend the rest of my evening fishing. Yet another week I don't have an ounce of mental energy left to deal with attempting Wiping City again and will avoid like the plague. =___=;;;

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Originally Posted by FinaSel

Had a Library run with a Scholar who was first-timer.

And tank I had seen before, and didn't much care for in a previous run either because of tank's attitude and movement.

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Hope you at least reported him for his harassment of yourself and your other party members. People make mistakes, especially first-timers, but that doesn't give anyone free reign to go from zero to asshat in 5.2 seconds.

And now for my story. Wife and I kidnapped a buddy from our FC and took him into leveling roulette. We get Aurum Vale. I thought the unsynched warrior was the new person, but no, it's our buddy who's new. I like to think that I'm not a crappy scholar, that it was just AV being AV, but someone died every single boss. No biggie, I'm on scholar and wife's playing summoner, so we both have swiftres and instant communication since we're seated right next to each other. Our buddy? Poor guy was living the lolgoon lifestyle, on the floor.

We get to the final boss, and tank DC's during the fight. No problem, wife pops her swiftcast and breaks out her chicken nugget. The tank does come back quickly and gets into the fight. Unfortunately, the adds don't die and eat us. Tank apologizes, no big deal, not their fault. Round two, adds don't die and wipe us again. Sadly, this is where I remember that they need to die, and advise we kill them ASAP. Third round, boss dies like clockwork.

Huge shoutout to that tank, and I'm glad you picked up level 49 during the run!

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Originally Posted by FinaSel

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Good lord, I would've kicked that guy, and then asked around in FC/LS channels for anyone willing to help out. Even if no one's able to help out and I end up having to wait, I find that better than putting up with abusive behavior. Given that it takes more than one person to vote someone out, it'd mean that I'm not alone in feeling it's not worth putting up with that guy's behavior.

Staying silent and continuing with someone like that is like telling everyone you agree with him, even though you guys didn't do anything to warrant that kind of a response from him and his level of crap-tanking should've earned just as much of his own vitriol.

I doubt he exhibits this kind of terrible behavior in person. People like him need to learn it's not okay to do it online either, because you're still dealing with real people. By all means, he was treating you guys like faulty machinery, not humans.

Saw a bard using TP song in the Arboretum during big pulls. Party comp was PLD, BRD, SMN, SCH. No one else needed the TP for the pulls. Bard was eating a damage nerf to preserve TP. Not sure how effective that works out long term...but it seems like sacrificing damage output in that manner isn't going to be the most effective way to handle the pulls. Maybe TP song between pulls or once low on TP? Or even switch over to single target early on because SMN and SCH can handle the vast majority of AoE needed in such an encounter. It would have been great if the bard focused on preventing Final Sting.

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Originally Posted by aesteval

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I can understand his point of view. Using a TP song on large pulls ain't that stupid because you're just gonna spam AOE arrow that cost 160TP, yes you're sacrifying DPS but you can spam more which end up doing more DPS.

Using requiem should've been great too i guess with the SMN/SCH

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Originally Posted by synesthetic

Good lord, I would've kicked that guy, and then asked around in FC/LS channels for anyone willing to help out. Even if no one's able to help out and I end up having to wait, I find that better than putting up with abusive behavior. Given that it takes more than one person to vote someone out, it'd mean that I'm not alone in feeling it's not worth putting up with that guy's behavior.

Staying silent and continuing with someone like that is like telling everyone you agree with him, even though you guys didn't do anything to warrant that kind of a response from him and his level of crap-tanking should've earned just as much of his own vitriol.

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I really did think about vote kicking him. I also thought about just leaving as soon as the dungeon started.
I recognized his name immediately because I've been in a group with him before. He had bad attitude last time too. It really bothered me.

I thought "If I do vote kick, it will probably pass. Then, we will have to wait for another tank."]
It was early morning (Maybe 9 AM?), so I thought it might be a long time.
I sometimes get bad lag at night and these days I want to do my roulettes in the morning and work at night. Unfortunately, this person seems to be doing his roulettes in the morning too. We have been in the same group two days in a row now.

At the last boss when he was really bad, I wanted to vote kick. But I thought, if the Scholar says yes, but DPS says no, it's too bad for the DPS.

Then, I thought about just leaving. I was DPS so maybe they could find one quickly. Still, I didn't want to seem like a bad person for leaving at the beginning of the dungeon. And I didn't want to explain my reason like "Hey I've partied with this tank before and he is kind of a jerk. I don't want to deal with him. Bye."
It was my true feelings, but I still didn't want to act that way...

But, unfortunately, if I am in a party with him in the future, I might have to say something to justify why I want to leave the party. I don't WANT to say that kind of thing in the party, but I also don't want to put up with bad-mouthed childish tank either.

I didn't report him for harrassment. Actually, I didn't think about it. I just thought "some people are like this. It can't be helped." and all I can do is avoid them.

Maybe when I was a child I would have thought the same way as him. But as an adult, spending an extra 5 minutes in a dungeon because a first-timer died is the LEAST of my worries.

This is why we need some kind of cross-server blacklist.
This would really solve this problem.

EDIT: Oh I forgot to write this.

I didn't think about, if I stayed silent, it would seem like I was okay with it. Actually, all three of us made no comment on the tank's behavior or words. Everyone was completely silent, except "sorry" when we died and scholar who said "1 minute". I am not the type of person to view her opinion directly, especially to a stranger.
I think we just had the attitude "It can't be helped." and just finished the dungeon.

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Originally Posted by FinaSel

sad stuff. :c.

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-hug- Felt like this was needed.

Last night, levelling roulette, sohm al

Enter BLM mentor spamming t3 on the first boss. Bliz 3 spam when oom. all procs were fired at the bee adds

that is all

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Originally Posted by FinaSel

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This is why we need some kind of cross-server blacklist.
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I think we just had the attitude "It can't be helped." and just finished the dungeon.

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Yeah, I'm not judging (aside from that tank). I admire people who can tolerate his kind of behavior as much as I admire people who can speak up against people like him. Furthermore, you were being consciously considerate of everyone else and did what you felt was best--I couldn't ask for anything more from someone.

A cross-server blacklist would be interesting. But we'd probably run into similar problems that OW got with its "Avoid This Player" function, which they removed.
I think the best we can do is report and hope people like him get a GM warning that they need to be more civil.

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Originally Posted by randysquirrel

Last night, levelling roulette, sohm al

Enter BLM mentor spamming t3 on the first boss. Bliz 3 spam when oom. all procs were fired at the bee adds

that is all

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"Don't forget ninja poison"

"Put on Grit/Darkside while you're at it"

"Don't forget your oath"

"You're in Cleric Stance"

All phrases I've used to remind other party members to put on or remove their buffs that help them do their job. It goes no further than these lines. I don't insult them, I'm not calling them names or cussing at them or their playstyles.

Yet, many times, whenever I throw out these small reminders, I'm either outright ignored or met with hostility. What is wrong with people? Why do they insist on taking offense at people who are actively trying to help them?

It gets to the point where simply asking my co-healer in Wiping Shitty to help with cleansing debuffs and raising people is met with insults and inane boasting about the numbers we were apparently parsing.

The exact line I used was, "I need your help in cleansing and ressing". I did not cuss at him, I made no comments about his healing or DPSing. I simply asked for help, and in reply, I got nothing but a shitheap. It's starting to make me wonder why I even make an effort to be polite nowadays.

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Originally Posted by Mysterysword

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I try to be as uninsulting as possible (not always succeeding if I need to be fast at saying something) when reminding people of their stances etc. Generally does not go well :(
Except for paladins who forgot Shield Oath, they tend to be pretty good sports about it.

I jumped into ARF one day from the roulette. During the first pull (tank only pulled one pack) the healer started going on with "For the love of god pull more" (apparently having missed the memo about healers only getting to dictate the max sizes of pulls, and tanks choosing within those limits). Me and the bard immediately chime in with a shared note of "Look at his gear, that would not be wise" (good on the DRK for knowing his own limits) followed by "I would rather ask him to turn Darkside on."
Yeah he did not use that. His reasoning was "It's only needed for the bosses". Refused to use it because "It costs too many MP." Que all 3 of us explaining to him how 1) using and managing MP is the core gameplay of the class; 2)it deals more damage (speeds things up)/helps with aggro; 3) it actually is required for high level content; 4) how it would be kinda like if I stopped using Twin Snakes or keeping up Greased Lightning, or the bard dropped Minuet or DoTs.
His response was a simple "Shut up." Our comments were completely insult-free, just general notes on how DRK functions, but I suppose the raw amount of stuff may have been a bit much. And looking back at it, that "4)" may have been not the best choice of words. At this point I don't know how to take that reply of his. It was both unwarranted and warranted at the same time. :/

We did clear the place without deaths and at a reasonable pace, but I had to forego using any self buff cooldowns at all on trash, sitting at orange aggro the entire way through, with the bard occasionally pulling stuff off the tank while using cooldowns. Aside from this trouble the whole party did generally do well with mechanics and such, so on the whole it was a positive experience.

Now, I understand the MP management aspect of DRK is not for everyone. It's the reason why if I tank anything I use one of the other two. I'm just curious why someone would choose to play the MP management class if they don't want to manage MP. Aside from the usual edgelord reasons.

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Originally Posted by Mysterysword

It gets to the point where simply asking my co-healer in Wiping Shitty to help with cleansing debuffs and raising people is met with insults and inane boasting about the numbers we were apparently parsing.

The exact line I used was, "I need your help in cleansing and ressing". I did not cuss at him, I made no comments about his healing or DPSing. I simply asked for help, and in reply, I got nothing but a shitheap. It's starting to make me wonder why I even make an effort to be polite nowadays.

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I've noticed this a lot too, not just in weeping city. Even in 4 man dungeons, a lot of healers don't bother trying to remove status debuffs.

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Originally Posted by Mysterysword

"Don't forget ninja poison"
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I understand how you feel. It's why I always feel so nervous before giving advice. Even though it is just to help the other player become better and to help the group succeed.

I think one reason people may react negatively to it, is that they are feeling some stress about the situation. Maybe it is their first in the instance as that class. I know the first time I went into Mhach as Ninja, I was all over the place. But after a few times, i got it down really well.

The very first time I went into Weeping City, someone in my party gave me advice. He was trying to be helpful, but I felt like he was attacking me. I agreed with him and promised to improve, but I felt pretty depressed right after that.
I think some people, instead of feeling helpless like I did, may instead lash out. They must be under some pressure or something.

Still, it's important everyone realizes the other player is usually just trying to help out.

But, because it's the internet and we can't really show tone / inflection in our voice, people will hear things the way they want to hear them, and interpret what they read however they want to.
Some will take offense.
It can't be helped. We can only keep in mind that most people just want to help each other. At least, I want to believe it.

I think a reason people react badly; unsolicited advice is often unwanted advice.

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Originally Posted by Seryne

Got stuck with an AST in WoD who only used Diurnal Sect Aspected Helios. Is this the thing now with ASTs and WHMs to just use their aoe regens and nothing else? Cause if it is I don't like it.

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If I'm running ast and if my cohealer is ast in Diurnal, I will go Nocturnal. If I'm paired with a WHM, I'm in Nocturnal, and Diurnal if paired with SCH.

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Originally Posted by Cakekizyy

I think a reason people react badly; unsolicited advice is often unwanted advice.

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Some of those examples could be slip ups from synced runs and such, or forgetting to switch up buffs after a boss. Yeah, some people hate any sort of advice.. But there are those of us who do appreciate a reminder!

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Originally Posted by Maerwen

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Originally Posted by Seryne

Got stuck with an AST in WoD who only used Diurnal Sect Aspected Helios. Is this the thing now with ASTs and WHMs to just use their aoe regens and nothing else? Cause if it is I don't like it.

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If I'm running ast and if my cohealer is ast in Diurnal, I will go Nocturnal. If I'm paired with a WHM, I'm in Nocturnal, and Diurnal if paired with SCH.

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I think their statement was more criticism for healers who go on cruise control and -only- use that AoE regen then stop paying attention to what's going on.

But as a WHM, I don't mind cohealer ASTs going Diurnal. Our regens would stack, and I may prefer it for DPS'ing purposes.
It's all good.

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Originally Posted by raela

Some of those examples could be slip ups from synced runs and such, or forgetting to switch up buffs after a boss. Yeah, some people hate any sort of advice.. But there are those of us who do appreciate a reminder!

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I didn't mean forgetting a buff, more advice on how to play a class when they are happy how they are.

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Originally Posted by Seryne

Is this the thing now with ASTs and WHMs to just use their aoe regens and nothing else? Cause if it is I don't like it.

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That sounds... Stupidly inefficient. I would kick any healer that tried to pull that kind of garbage, but I would first at least try to confirm they're not doing it out of ignorance.

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Originally Posted by Maerwen

If I'm running ast and if my cohealer is ast in Diurnal, I will go Nocturnal. If I'm paired with a WHM, I'm in Nocturnal, and Diurnal if paired with SCH.

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I generally use Diurnal the majority of the time, unless I'm paired with another AST. WHM and AST regens stack, but like SCH and AST shields don't stack, AST regens do not stack from two different Astrologians.

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Originally Posted by synesthetic

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Originally Posted by Ersilon

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I do those sects when I go with FC/LS. But when I DF, all bets are off. I had an ast before who kept noct sect the whole praetorium and kept cancelling all my crit adlos/succors. And I had a whm who refused to heal in Final Steps.

But on a good day, I try to do what I think would help my co healer (but I am not ashamed to admit I do get a little hostile and will not heal my co healer at all because they aren't healing anyone).