DPS who do 4k worth of damage = garbage tier

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Originally Posted by Ruf

Well said! Anyway, i never said my sub my way, but it is my opinion & so my play indeed.

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Uh, I'm pretty sure this is against you. Like, if you made a party and showed unwillingness to adjust/cooperate with the team (not using Shirk, Provoke, anything that makes your co-tank and healers life bearable), then your party will never soar (people will skip it).

Lack of cooperation and unwilling to accept helpful advice is the quickest way to find yourself on someone's blacklist and/or potentially be kicked from party (or have no one join your party).

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Originally Posted by Ruf

i have 0 care about what you typed even if you added numbers IT MEANS NOTHING "to insult me I would first have to value your opinion" for me to value your opinion I would first have to care that this random ass person online is worth the comments they made."

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You obviously care a great deal or you wouldn't have given such a hostile response, let alone reply at all.

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Originally Posted by HoodRat

You obviously care a great deal or you wouldn't have given such a hostile response, let alone reply at all.

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Nice name~~

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Originally Posted by Ruf

YOU HAVE NOTHING TO TEACH ME, & EVEN IF YOU DID, I WOULD NOT TAKE ANY ADVICE FROM YOU.

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Magnifique.

You, sir, are quite literally everything I hate about a bad player. Congratulation.

/clap

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Originally Posted by Asiragan

Magnifique.

You, sir, are quite literally everything I hate about a bad player. Congratulation.

/clap

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Was that comment replying to you?Was it your name I stated?That you was toward MoroMurasaki(I could start editing a list of names i guess...Parsers style! Dont invite that person,dismiss that person,leave because of that person as they do 4k!).I would say ty for the magnifique comment but instead i will say that your definition of a bad player probably\more than likely differ over my definition of a bad player.In the end its amazing how """almost everyone think they know best because of a program they use that they should not even use to begin with"""~& yes, some do without also~

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Originally Posted by HoodRat

You obviously care a great deal or you wouldn't have given such a hostile response, let alone reply at all.

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I also do not care much about the players "jabs&stabs" at me & manipulations attempts toward a great number of players reading on here, but the topic do offend me as its somewhat calling some players garbage,& no i do not feel pointed out by the garbage term at all.

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Originally Posted by Ruf

Was that comment replying to you?

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It doesn't have to be lol.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

It doesn't have to be lol.

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Exactly, MoroMurasaki and Rikuide where quite civil here.


Ruf, on your post you already demonstrated that, even tough you have years of experience (or so you say), you have absolutely no clue about whatever you are talking about.
You simply refuse any form of improvement.
You are a burden to your team.
You are agressive when people try to give you advice.


We already discussed what made a bad player in this thread, and you check quite a number of the condition that make one.

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Originally Posted by Asiragan

Exactly, MoroMurasaki and Rikuide where quite civil here.


Ruf, on your post you already demonstrated that, even tough you have years of experience (or so you say), you have absolutely no clue about whatever you are talking about.
You simply refuse any form of improvement.
You are a burden to your team.
You are agressive when people try to give you advice.


We already discussed what made a bad player in this thread, and you check quite a number of the condition that make one.

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Theses are "your claims" & no you dont know it all just like you are not under my skin\in my shoes & in my brain, aka: you can not say how good or bad i do & that even if 90% of the players who post or type elsewhere\talk input datas which might be falsified or influenced by a bunch of factors,for players to not recognize the plethora of possibiltys & bad\missinformations/naivety throught out "fake news" just have me in awe.

P.s: Not once i said you wanted to be me or in my situation either & you know what, I am completly fine with who I am & how I am because I can claim this: Nobody understand me better than myself~ (Y'all dont know what you are missing) But I dont want anyone "to be me" anyway.Have some pride PEACE xox

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Originally Posted by Ruf

Theses are "your claims" & no you dont know it all just like you are not under my skin\in my shoes & in my brain, aka: you can not say how good or bad i do & that even if 90% of the players who post or type elsewhere\talk input datas which might be falsified or influenced by a bunch of factors,for players to not recognize the plethora of possibiltys & bad\missinformations/naivety throught out "fake news" just have me in awe.

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You do realize that parsers read game data, yes? To say that said data is falsified is to insinuate that the game itself provides false data. Try again.

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Originally Posted by Ruf

(Y'all dont know what you are missing)

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I think we'll manage.

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Originally Posted by Ruf

'Mess of a rant'

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My message wasn't for your benefit. Folks like you will remain oblivious no matter how many others point things out to you. It's for others in the thread to see the kind of player you are and why your arguments should be ignored. You don't really bring damage, you don't bring mitigation, you don't bring enmity manipulation. In short, you're a body whose claim to value is your ability to 'do mechanics' which is the absolute minimum requirement. As for your cooldowns, I can speak to those as the log shows me how little you use them.

If you want to be someone who brings almost nothing to the groups you're in, then you can do it tbh for story mode content. Just don't come on here and post as though you're actually of value to the group/knowledgeable because you can step out of the giant glowing marker in time. There's a whole lot someone could "teach you", but we both know you won't let them so enjoy the remainder of SB's story.

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Originally Posted by NoctusT

You did 2300 DPS on DRG in o5s with a single death (9:04) on May 7th (kill time 10:04).

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FFlogs is a toxic site, and second off this is harassment. You plainly didn't like my comment, but it's the truth. We all had to start from somewhere, and I don't claim to be the best Dragoon there is, but I play this game for the fun rather than constantly getting stressed out but that doesn't mean I don't improve myself.

I'm a little shocked the Forum Moderators are allowing this harassment just because you don't like me and decided to take a potshot at me like a childish troll.

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Originally Posted by Rikuide

My message wasn't for your benefit. Folks like you will remain oblivious no matter how many others point things out to you. It's for others in the thread to see the kind of player you are and why your arguments should be ignored. You don't really bring damage, you don't bring mitigation, you don't bring enmity manipulation. In short, you're a body whose claim to value is your ability to 'do mechanics' which is the absolute minimum requirement. As for your cooldowns, I can speak to those as the log shows me how little you use them.

If you want to be someone who brings almost nothing to the groups you're in, then you can do it tbh for story mode content. Just don't come on here and post as though you're actually of value to the group/knowledgeable because you can step out of the giant glowing marker in time. There's a whole lot someonecould "teach you", but we both know you won't let them so enjoy the remainder of SB's story.

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I think i remember you under a different name... That would explain a lot as to what i think about you.

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

I'm a little shocked the Forum Moderators are allowing this harassment just because you don't like me and decided to take a potshot at me like a childish troll.

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I agree, that shock me also,thats borderline offending not to say it is..

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

FFlogs is a toxic site, and second off this is harassment.

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Whenever content is launched is what you said. He simply showed it still happens after content is launched and reïnforced it by using yourself as an example.

Statistics aren't toxic

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

FFlogs is a toxic site

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I think it’s wrong to generalize a site or a tool just because someone used it in a negative way. You don’t blame the tool because someone uses it incorrectly.

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

FFlogs is a toxic site, and second off this is harassment. You plainly didn't like my comment, but it's the truth. We all had to start from somewhere, and I don't claim to be the best Dragoon there is, but I play this game for the fun rather than constantly getting stressed out but that doesn't mean I don't improve myself.

I'm a little shocked the Forum Moderators are allowing this harassment just because you don't like me and decided to take a potshot at me like a childish troll.

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Citing statitics isn't harrassment, using them to attack someome is. The drfinition of harrassmemt is "aggressive pressure or intimidation" which I'm pretty sure that post doesn't qualify as.

Again, open yourself up to criticism and don't be surprised if you get criticized. That isn't toxic it's like... how life works.

Kinda surprised this thread is still going on. I wouldn't say 4k is garbage dps, it's not top tier but i would imagine that pretty average.

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Originally Posted by Ruf

I agree, that shock me also,thats borderline offending not to say it is..

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Report and move on?

You all may say that but now I'm completely opened up to get screwed around with now. I get there is people here that are willing to help eachother out but more often than not I've seen that tool get used for abusive purposes rather than the opposite. Now I need to decide whether not to post here anymore in fear of getting messed around with in-game because some people are now aware who I'am.

It's not right, I wouldn't even do that to anyone online.

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

You all may say that but now I'm completely opened up to get screwed around with now. I get there is people here that are willing to help eachother out but more often than not I've seen that tool get used for abusive purposes rather than the opposite. Now I need to decide whether not to post here anymore in fear of getting messed around with in-game because some people are now aware who I'am.

It's not right, I wouldn't even do that to anyone online.

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You're kidding, right? Your name is literally right underneath your forum profile. And anytime you happen to do anything with other players, somebody may just happen to look you on whatever character you might be on to see what to expect out of you. I highly doubt anybody in this thread, let alone the forums, is actually going to bother you in-game. A simple disagreement is not going to lead other people to suddenly start harassing you. This isn't reddit or a toxic fansite of a Blizzard game - the community is better than that. If somebody does happen to pull that crap, report and blacklist. But a simple disagreement is not going to lead to harassment over your numbers.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

Again, open yourself up to criticism and don't be surprised if you get criticized. That isn't toxic it's like... how life works.

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Yea critic in IRL. But in FFXIV it's kinda sad to be honest. FFXIV to spend your free time to enjoy and have fun. Does it really make you feel better by being *good* and Criticized less better players in a videogame ?

Myself had bad exp from raiding because of these *numbers* was highest and was blamed for ignoring mechanics (Coil5). By the leader who died the most and I was removed from the group. 1 week later I got a tell, *So i am the highest now. We almost beat it now* It seems his ego for highest DPS was more the problem. But hy I beat Coil 5 in random PF before them.

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

You're kidding, right? Your name is literally right underneath your forum profile. And anytime you happen to do anything with other players, somebody may just happen to look you on whatever character you might be on to see what to expect out of you. I highly doubt anybody in this thread, let alone the forums, is actually going to bother you in-game. A simple disagreement is not going to lead other people to suddenly start harassing you. This isn't reddit or a toxic fansite of a Blizzard game - the community is better than that. If somebody does happen to pull that crap, report and blacklist. But a simple disagreement is not going to lead to harassment over your numbers.

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Realized my post didn't make sense at first, I meant gameplay wise of how good I'am currently. I appreciate your viewpoint, but now I gotta consider avoiding this forum now.

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

You all may say that but now I'm completely opened up to get screwed around with now. I get there is people here that are willing to help eachother out but more often than not I've seen that tool get used for abusive purposes rather than the opposite. Now I need to decide whether not to post here anymore in fear of getting messed around with in-game because some people are now aware who I'am.

It's not right, I wouldn't even do that to anyone online.

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I mean, to be fair your name and world are displayed next to all your posts along with a current picture of your character. You had zero anonymity before posting in this thread. If it makes you feel better I can go pull a bad log of mine and link it, everyone has bad days.

Also if it's any consolation I am someone with consistantly inflamatory opinions (healers should dps, parsers are more good than bad by a landslide, everyone should learn about their class to not be a burden to their party, savage needs a better gatekeeper) and the closest to anyone "harrassing" me ingame that I've seen is a cohealer in Rab recognized me and proceeded to say they were a "no dps healer" but that was a joke because they did amazing.

So no, I don't think you have anything to worry about and if someone does say something to you that's inappropriate by all means report them. I just think it's dangerous to conflate citing statistics with a reportable offense.

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Originally Posted by ShadowHunterrX

Yea critic in IRL. But in FFXIV it's kinda sad to be honest.

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So you think anyone making certain claims about skill level in a video game is immune to criticism?

Awesome, I am now as good of a WHM as Sebazy, let me put that in my signature

I dunno, this seems sorta silly to me. I won't postpone rational thought and my understanding of how the world works for someome else's comfort.

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

Realized my post didn't make sense at first, I meant gameplay wise of how good I'am currently. I appreciate your viewpoint, but now I gotta consider avoiding this forum now.

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Except you don't. Anyone could have looked that up at any time, this thread changes literally nothing.

If it makes you really uncomfortable you can actually go to fflogs and there is a way to claim your character and after you do so you have the option to hide all logs associated with them. I'm not well versed in it, I play on ps4 and can't parse, but I don't think it's very involved.

Except you don't.

Yes I'm currently posting now, but not for long after my session on here.

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

Except you don't.

Yes I'm currently posting now, but not for long after my session on here.

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That's cool buddy, you make your own decisions, but don't try to act like some kind of martyr - you aren't. You've been given support and info about how you can prevent anyone from being able to see your dps. Whether you take it is on you.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

If it makes you really uncomfortable you can actually go to fflogs and there is a way to claim your character and after you do so you have the option to hide all logs associated with them. I'm not well versed in it, I play on ps4 and can't parse, but I don't think it's very involved.

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Sort of... while a person can hide their logs, if you know they party with another person a lot and they happen to upload their logs, then you just look on that persons logs and then be able to see the others.
It sounds stalker as hell and I only found this out when I was looking up a friends log (just to see what their DPS was. My super casual static is just barely beating the Ultima Upsurge enrage) and know that the person they're grouped with has their stuff set to hidden.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

So you think anyone making certain claims about skill level in a video game is immune to criticism?

Awesome, I am now as good of a WHM as Sebazy, let me put that in my signature*

I dunno, this seems sorta silly to me. I won't postpone rational thought and my understanding of how the world works for someome else's comfort.

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Brr putting words in my mouth.

Wow ! How did you make this stuff up ? Totally unrelated from my reply. You just take the game way too serious for your own good and it's kinda sad to see. Hopefully you are a nicer person ingame.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Sort of... while a person can hide their logs, if you know they party with another person a lot and they happen to upload their logs, then you just look on that persons logs and then be able to see the others.
It sounds stalker as hell and I only found this out when I was looking up a friends log (just to see what their DPS was. My super casual static is just barely beating the Ultima Upsurge enrage) and know that the person they're grouped with has their stuff set to hidden.

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Fair enough. Still probably a lot more effort than anyone is putting in to look up this guy's logs.

Also his logs are pretty sparse, I don't think anyone is regularly uploading them so I think he'd be pretty okay with just hiding his character.

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Originally Posted by ShadowHunterrX

Brr putting words in my mouth brrr.

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Better than noises? Brrr

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

That's cool buddy, you make your own decisions, but don't try to act like some kind of martyr - you aren't. You've been given support and info about how you can prevent anyone from being able to see your dps. Whether you take it is on you.

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I'm not a martyr

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

I'm not a martyr

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That is correct, yes :)

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Originally Posted by ShadowHunterrX

Wow ! How did you make this stuff up ? Totally unrelated from my reply. You just take the game way too serious for your own good and it's kinda sad to see. Hopefully you are a nicer person ingame.

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Nice stealth edit. If you don't want people to misunderstand you maybe try posting cohearently.

Nope, I am the same person everywhere. If you don't like me the Ignore List button is around here somewhere. Doesn't hurt my feelings, have a nice day.

Personally I find your posts kind of sad, maybe we can be blacklist buddies.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

Fair enough. Still probably a lot more effort than anyone is putting in to look up this guy's logs.

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Yeah, was just that one instance. Did see their MNK was doing way more than I was (I'm humble blue, they're ultra orange). Granted I'm doing 5.2k, but I know I can do better (while it's just Demon Chad Savage, getting 6.3k made me so happy).

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

That is correct, yes :)



Nice stealth edit. If you don't want people to misunderstand you maybe try posting cohearently.

Nope, I am the same person everywhere. If you don't like me the Ignore List button is around here somewhere. Doesn't hurt my feelings, have a nice day.

Personally I find your posts kind of sad, maybe we can be blacklist buddies.

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Not a stealth edit. There is a cap you know ;).

Just giving you a taste of you own medicine by criticizing you and it's seems you dont like it. So you are allowed to do it and others not.

I like you reply's so no ignore for you my friend.

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Originally Posted by ShadowHunterrX

Not a stealth edit. There is a cap you know ;).

Just giving you a taste of you own medicine by criticizing you and it's seems you dont like it. So you are allowed to do it and others not.

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Good troll, many lols, much fun. Criticize away friendo, I don't mind~

48 pages about people worrying if they are garbage cause their dps does 4k damage.
At the end of the day is just a game. Please relax. Nobody is going to kill you in real life cause you do only 4k damage in a videogame

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

Good troll, many lols, much fun. Criticize away friendo, I don't mind~

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

Nice stealth edit. If you don't want people to misunderstand you maybe try posting cohearently.

Nope, I am the same person everywhere. If you don't like me the Ignore List button is around here somewhere. Doesn't hurt my feelings, have a nice day.

Personally I find your posts kind of sad, maybe we can be blacklist buddies.

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I totally agree. You were the perfect person for pushing some buttons and your reaction says plenty. You dont like something and start right away with ignore or blacklisting, you know easy ways to escape horrible people.... But people who are marked because of your so called *helpfull* logs can be harrassed or even locked out of party`s for being bad that one time. You cannot simply *blacklist or ignore* those people to clear content.

A pf leader knows none of your "friends" so the chance of them finding a log of you with your profile on private is close to 0.

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

but now I gotta consider avoiding this forum now.

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Why do you even care about numbers on fflogs to begin with? If someone approach you in-game to harass you just block and ignore them?
I don't understand why you feel like you need to visit the official forums because of that. Maybe i'm missing something.

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Originally Posted by ShadowHunterrX

But people who are marked because of your so called *helpfull* logs can be harrassed or even locked out of party`s for being bad that one time. You cannot simply *blacklist or ignore* those people to clear content.

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You know, they could get harassed or locked out for a gazillion of other reasons too. Do you really think many parties look up the logs of everybody joining? And you can prevent yourself from getting listed too. Or try to get better parses online. Or do your own parties. There are options. And tbh it's not evil FFlogs fault for proving that some people are just bad at their jobs. You can twist that all you want - but buying the game and paying the sub does not entitle people to clear savage. They still need to put in effort.

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

You all may say that but now I'm completely opened up to get screwed around with now. I get there is people here that are willing to help eachother out but more often than not I've seen that tool get used for abusive purposes rather than the opposite. Now I need to decide whether not to post here anymore in fear of getting messed around with in-game because some people are now aware who I'am.

It's not right, I wouldn't even do that to anyone online.

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Just popping back in to help you out-

Register on FFlogs and hide your logs. Even if anyone uploads anything, it will be private to only you and the person who uploaded it. Unless they share it outside the site, of course. And if they take it upon themselves to do that, well... At least the damage is minimal.

This thread just keeps getting funnier and funnier.

I don't know if This was posted yet as an example, but...