Novus weapon upgrade system findings

It's times like this I'm glad I hung on to most of my cracked materia.

Infuse 10(11) Savage Might Materia 2 Chance 94% Results +1 Det

Still requires Grade 2 Materia for next fuse of 11.

Well imo ppl need to stop looking at it as the weapon in 2.28/2.3/2.4 and need to start looking at it as the weapon in the long run.
It's like wine , get's better as time goes by.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

It's like wine , get's better as time goes by.

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Who drinks wine at a frat house?
Allegory reference to SCoB as the frat house.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

Well imo ppl need to stop looking at it as the weapon in 2.28/2.3/2.4 and need to start looking at it as the weapon in the long run.
It's like wine , get's better as time goes by.

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I agree with you 100%, and will continue upgrading it as time goes on. I'm in no rush to get mine, but would still like to get it in a reasonable time frame. As far as the Alexandrites and materia situation goes, I will get what I can but won't go all hardcore trying to obtain them all. If I finish my map today, awesome. If I fail, whatever. There will be more options coming in 2.3 so I'm sure I'll get my weapon sometime during that patch. That's the best part of the relic quests, there's not really any rush or pressure unless people bring it upon themselves, really. The casual approach is the best approach and SE created it with that in mind.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

Well imo ppl need to stop looking at it as the weapon in 2.28/2.3/2.4 and need to start looking at it as the weapon in the long run.
It's like wine , get's better as time goes by.

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No. It's like wine that no matter how long you let sit will never be as good as a similar, but more recent vintage.

No matter how many years of work you put into it there will be something better AT ALL TIMES with no need for months of work on the back end to get there.

anyone allready on tier 3 materia?

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

Well imo ppl need to stop looking at it as the weapon in 2.28/2.3/2.4 and need to start looking at it as the weapon in the long run.
It's like wine , get's better as time goes by.

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Honestly Relic final form should be on par with End Game weapons. These Relic quest are starting to become more and more time consuming, which people asked for. So I don't see why Relic can't be on par with the best End Game Weapon down the road. Here is the problem I see with Relic becoming the best weapon, The people who aren't working on it will cry. The ones who aren't working on their weapons are going to get butt hurt, because they decided to stick with Coils and not upgrade. Granted 2.3 Hunts will make obtaining a Novus even easier, But we don't know how the next quest will be.

Yes I get that Coils gear takes "Skill" and these Relic Quest don't, but these are very time consuming. I don't know how much time it will take 6 months from now to try and start Atma- whatever form. But Relics really do need to be the same ilvl as the other weapons, Even if its tied to End Game.

Also when we do get the final form, I wonder what the plans will be to keep Relic relevant? Will SE make a whole new Relic Quest line Or will SE just be smart and make us do quest that are time consuming to increase ilvl?

And just for the ones who say Relic shouldn't be the best or on par with Coils weapons, Its not our fault SE Can't come up with a better system of rewards. Why does Coils even drop weapons, Honestly they screwed up. I could see different ways they could have did T9 rewards. Why didn't they make the Upgrade Items for the Soldiery weapons drop there. Or they could have taken T5 weapons and made them upgradeable from a T9 Reward and then called them High Allagan. Would have kept T5 relevant for most players who don't even do it now.

Fuse 11(12) Savage Might Grade 2 Chance 88% Result +1 Det, Fuse 12 will require another Grade 2

almost 50 pages here. Where the heck is OP? Though he's gonna updating 1st post on findings here. :p

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

almost 50 pages here. Where the heck is OP? Though he's gonna updating 1st post on findings here. :p

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Seriously, lol. xD

Does someone want to compile all the findings and make a new thread, or post the findings together here and I will make a new thread and credit whoever does. Cause this thread is a clusterf**k to dig through now.

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

Please do. Reading again through dozens of pages are a headache. :p

Besides, it's clear that findings on this novus deal are much more confusing matter than atma/animus.

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Same here :p
If someone else doesn't want to make a new thread, with an itemized list of everything confirmed, I'm willing to do so if someone compiles that list and posts it in a reply to me. Again, as stated, I will credit the person who does so and update it as necessary. This way, everyone can kinda have a go-to guide, rather than a thread with various conversations, with relevant information mixed in here and there.


EDIT: I'm on my way to bed for now. I will be checking back as soon as I wake up to see if I have a reply.

Please do. Reading again through dozens of pages are a headache. :p

Besides, it's clear that findings on this novus deal are much more confusing matter than atma/animus.

Whoops I forgot I said I'd compile it. I'll do it in the morning I promise D: 1am and bedtime!

Infuse 12(13) Savage Might Grade 2. 80% Chance. Results: +1 Det . Fuse 13 will require another grade 2.

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Originally Posted by Shea

Infuse 12(13) Savage Might Grade 2. 80% Chance. Results: +1 Det . Fuse 13 will require another grade 2.

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Thanks for all your report on meld %

Progress on shield:
infusion 1 Battledance I 100%
infusion 2 Heaven's Eye I 100%
infusion 3 Heaven's Eye I 100%
infusion 4 Heaven's Eye I 80%

So if this trend keeps up the grade 3 materia meld chance will be 60%? If so then grade 4 will be 40%? Thats gonna get expensive.. I've experienced SEs "40% chance of success" before firsthand...

Posting this here for accessibility (also on reddit)

http://i.imgur.com/AaMU1bJ.jpg

still +1 xD

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Originally Posted by Bearington

Posting this here for accessibility (also on reddit)
http://i.imgur.com/AaMU1bJ.jpg
still +1 xD

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Do you guys live into Brayflox HM? Or just Fate luck?

Shea seems to be working the fastest

did some of the later pages with info. someone can grab rest. gotta work.

Weapon Info-
Animus = 49
Novus = 51. Lodestone DB shows them with increased weapon damage.
Stats with a 44 cap (11 materia/tier)
Stats with a 31 cap (7/8 materia/tier)

Could someone who is working on Thyrus Novus screencap Piety cap for me? Thank you. (Also Determination please)
PIE = 33
DET = 31

Curtana and Holy Shield are the exception here, because they have different caps compared to a full weapon, so they maybe need less materias in order to get a higher tier.
Curtana stat cap is 53, Holy Shield is 22.

Getting started-
Quest starts at Jalzahn, you have to go talk to the materia people in Central Thanalan. You have to buy 3 Superior Enchanted Inks from Rowena for Allagan Tomestones of Mythology to obtain your Sphere Scroll. Sphere Scroll has to melded to the stats you want on your Relic Novus, up to 75 secondary points in total have to melded before you can obtain your novus. To meld to the sphere scroll you need to get Alexandrite, which can be obtained from

1) Allagan Tomestones of Mythology, buying Mysterious Maps from Rowena and completing them gives Alexandrite
2) Completing FATEs with Animus Equipped

Sphere Scroll melds CAN fail, they start with 100% success rate but will drop as you meld more materia. Once you have melded all the stats you can hand over Animus and Scroll to obtain your Novus

Need 1500 Myth right away in the quest (more after that ?), then we need materia, only we don't know what materia works, and how many.... With the prices, I won't be able to afford it. This turning out to be quite a kick in the balls.

Getting Alex-
Maps which cost 800 myth each./Daily Map
Fates with Animus weapon equipped.
The Alexandrite is always given to the map holder.
The expert Roulette is just what the quest wants you to do to get these new maps. You pick up the quest, you do the roulette, you get the map as you hand in the quest(think weekly primal kills quest). And yes you must wear your animus to get Alexandrite from a FATE.

Fuse Findings-
When infusing at less than 100%, I'm pretty sure the dialog box reads as follows:

"If the infusion fails you will lose the materia but not the alexandrite. Proceed?"

Ya might want to mention in OP that the % for success resets to 100% with each new tier you go up. I.e. 50% on Infuse 7 Grade 1 then Infuse 8 is Grade 2 now 100% again.

I'm on infuse 5-6 now for Det
Shea Stardust Rod Animus progress:

Infuse 5 is at 70% Grade 1 Materia, won't let me use Grade 2 (failed 2 times)
Infuse 6 is at 60% Grade 1 materia, won't let me use Grade 2 (failed 1 time)
Fuse 11(12) Savage Might Grade 2 Chance 88% Result +1 Det, Fuse 12 will require another Grade 2
Infuse 12(13) Savage Might Grade 2. 80% Chance. Results: +1 Det . Fuse 13 will require another grade 2.
Infuse 17 Savage Might Grade III on Sphere Scroll: Stardust Rod. Chance 100% Result: +1 Det
Infuse 18 Savage Might Grade III on Sphere Scroll: Stardust Rod. Chance 94% Result: +1 Det
Infuse 19 will require Savage Might Grade III Materia.
Progress on shield:
infusion 1 Battledance I 100%
infusion 2 Heaven's Eye I 100%
infusion 3 Heaven's Eye I 100%
infusion 4 Heaven's Eye I 80%
infusion 5 Heaven's Eye I 60%
Holy Shield Infusion 8 for parry (13 stat) 100% using III materia. Gave one stat point.
http://i.imgur.com/AaMU1bJ.jpg
Infuse 8(9) Det Grade 2 100% Chance +1 Det
Infuse 9 (10) Det Grade2 100% Chance +1 Det

#s in () for the total infuses, accidentaly did one crit =)
Infuse 10(11) Savage Might Materia 2 Chance 94% Results +1 Det

Still requires Grade 2 Materia for next fuse of 11.
Infuse 13(14) Savage Might Materia II on Sphere Scroll: Star Dust Rod. Chance 70% Result: +1 Det (1 failure) Infuse 14 shows as needing Grade 2

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

Later patch is for Novus... presumable the scroll can be replaced if you screw up before that...

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not sure if someone replied, but no. if you mess up and dont like the stats you put on it, you are stuck with it till later update.

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Originally Posted by Quiz

Whoops I forgot I said I'd compile it. I'll do it in the morning I promise D: 1am and bedtime!

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lol k. take your time. at least I know you're there. XD

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

lol k. take your time. at least I know you're there. XD

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i made it easy for him. majority of the useful info in my post above.

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Originally Posted by Bearington

Posting this here for accessibility (also on reddit)

http://i.imgur.com/AaMU1bJ.jpg

still +1 xD

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Don't think it will ever be more than +1 per meld. 75 Alexandrite really isn't that hard to obtain (just takes time). In 2.3 we'll have Hunts to help, So I'm pretty sure it will take 75 Alexandrite. Hence the reason why Yoshi decided to add more ways to obtain them.

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Originally Posted by Kaze3434

i made it easy for him. majority of the useful info in my post above.

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Haha Thx. Already Liked your post. :D

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Originally Posted by Kaze3434

not sure if someone replied, but no. if you mess up and dont like the stats you put on it, you are stuck with it till later update.

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The NPC that sells the scroll can also remove infusions from your unfinished scroll.
If, however, you have applied the fully infused scroll and converted your weapon into a Novus, you are stuck until later update.

As far as I can tell, you could even throw away your current scroll and buy a new one to start from scratch until you upgrade the weapon.

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

Progress on shield:
infusion 1 Battledance I 100%
infusion 2 Heaven's Eye I 100%
infusion 3 Heaven's Eye I 100%
infusion 4 Heaven's Eye I 80%

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infusion 5 Heaven's Eye I 60%

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

infusion 5 Heaven's Eye I 60%

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

infusion 5 Heaven's Eye I 60%

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Isn't accuracy's cap 44?

You're only at 5 out of 11 and it's already at 60%?

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

Isn't accuracy's cap 44?

You're only at 5 out of 11 and it's already at 60%?

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if i remember right, Duuude is doing pal gear, so it might be the shield.
yup, shield, like i thought.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

Isn't accuracy's cap 44?

You're only at 5 out of 11 and it's already at 60%?

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Originally Posted by Kaze3434

if i remember right, Duuude is doing pal gear, so it might be the shield.

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Its the holy shield, and the acc cap is 13. I'm only taking acc to 9, however. The rest will be parry (which will be 13).

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Originally Posted by Quiz

Whoops I forgot I said I'd compile it. I'll do it in the morning I promise D: 1am and bedtime!

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I understand. Just remember when you put something like that in your OP, you're making a commitment to the community and giving yourself a responsibility. So it's something you should make an effort to stay on top of.
(to make things easier for you, go to the post by Kaze I quoted below please).

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Originally Posted by Kaze3434

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+1 Kaze (such a cute Lala :o)
Thank you very much for being kind enough to put this together. Hopefully the OP will notice this, use it in his OP, and credit you.

For holy shield, doing parry (13, 31, 44 stat depending on weapon), first 4 infusions were level 1s. For level 2s, infusion 5 was 100%, 6 was 100%, 7 was 80%. Infusion 8 is asking for III materia leading me to believe III and IV materia will give two stat points, bringing the materia total (for shield) to 4 Is, 3 IIs, 2 IIIs, 1 IV. That would equal 13 points of parry. Lots of thread to read through. If anyone can link me to a post where people have made it to level III materia lemme know.

Edit: Holy Shield Infusion 8 for parry (13 stat) 100% using III materia. Gave one stat point.

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Originally Posted by ShinkuTachi

I understand. Just remember when you put something like that in your OP, you're making a commitment to the community and giving yourself a responsibility. So it's something you should make an effort to stay on top of.
(to make things easier for you, go to the post by Kaze I quoted below please).

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I know, I just got bogged down with the actual patch ;-; completely my fault

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Originally Posted by ShinkuTachi

+1 Kaze (such a cute Lala :o)
Thank you very much for being kind enough to put this together. Hopefully the OP will notice this, use it in his OP, and credit you.

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I already did :D

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Originally Posted by Quiz

I know, I just got bogged down with the actual patch ;-; completely my fault

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It's all good man, I'm not hear to b**ch at you or anything, just to give you a little nudge. ^^

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Originally Posted by Quiz

I already did :D

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I just notice, and I liked your post here mate~

Ya might want to mention in OP that the % for success resets to 100% with each new tier you go up. I.e. 50% on Infuse 7 Grade 1 then Infuse 8 is Grade 2 now 100% again.

Infuse 13(14) Savage Might Materia II on Sphere Scroll: Star Dust Rod. Chance 70% Result: +1 Det (1 failure) Infuse 14 shows as needing Grade 2.

Edit: just a wooohooo got first Alex from a fate lol. Probably only 3 hrs of fates intermittently.

updated post with sheas info and arraks info.

Well my full list, iirc for parry.
1.) I, 100%
2.) I, 100%
3.) I, 80%
4.) I, 60%
5.) II, 100%
6,) II, 100%
7.) II, 80%
8.) III, 100%
9.) III, 100%
10.) will be a III

So the succesrate of melding reset to 100% when the turn of the next materia tier start?