JP Official Forums are also criticizing the Dawntrail MSQ.

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Originally Posted by lolnotacat

What's sad is how much of a missed opportunity this is. Our freakish strength could've been used as an impetus for Zoraal Ja to become desperate, pushing him to be willing to use Sphene and the Alexandrians to gain more power. He clearly didn't see Wuk as a threat (not that she was). Or defending Tuli, if we cleared out entire legions single-handedly, that was what forced him to change tactics. We could've stomped Bakool Ja Ja into the ground early on, which forced him to start using underhanded tactics out of desperation. Then the cartoony moronic characterization wouldn't have been needed. Us being nearly unstoppable terminators would actually be an interesting angle if in a way we turned into Batman like character, creating our own enemies and problems with said strength.

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I really like this idea. I found there's a lot we can play with in terms of story when the protagonist is incredibly powerful.

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Originally Posted by Dogempire

Regardless of what you want to argue our character's power level is at, we've squared up with Calamity-causing gods like Shinryu and Omega 1v1, and killed several extremely powerful entities like the embodiment of despair with the help of Azem's crystal (Which by the way, is still our power, even if we can't pull a Megumi and use it at every minor inconvenience)

I'd say it's a pretty valid criticism, at the very least we should be shown resisting fatal blows and breaking free of mechanics while everyone else is downed. I think it would be pretty funny if we were depicted as some sort of terminator that just doesn't die, we just gets knocked down for a couple seconds and stands back up as if nothing happened.

Hell, we've already been shown that death is optional for us in Zenos' battle, we can't do it normally for gameplay reasons but storywise they should absolutely use it.

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To support what you're saying, Midgardsormr literally says, "Strong art thou, mortal--stronger than any other of thy kind." When we kill Thordan, he says, "Who... what are you!?" because we're obviously so beyond everyone. When the Allagan device scans us as a Summoner, it says, "Anomalous potential confirmed. Commencing scan. Latent aetherial capacity: immeasurable." Emet-Selch literally says, "Oh, you tower over your misbegotten ilk, no doubt..." after knocking out the scions while we, at our weakest, filled with light and about to turn, are merely staggered. When Quintus has shock collars put on the twins, he says, "The Champion of Eorzea will not be so easily cowed. Even if he allowed himself to be collared, the shock would be no more than an itch;" he fully recognized we could have wiped the floor with every soldier there without even a struggle. When the Endsinger launches the Scions into the air to destroy them with a massive planet, we don't even budge. And on and on.

Canonically, not all of the primal/lightwarden battles are with 3 or 7 other adventurers; the game is inconsistent on that throughout, and even when it isn't, it sometimes lampshades the fact that we only have companions as a game mechanic. For example, with Ifrit and Thordan, there's obviously no actual people with us; there can't be. We didn't get captured with 3 echoed adventurers with Ifrit, and we didn't arrive with an alliance of them for Thordan in the Aetherochemical Research Facility (we entered, at best, with a party, and they're gone after). For Susano, the Kojin say we did it alone, while Alisaie or Lyse, I forget which, makes the joke about adventurers on vacation, and the journal says we had a party. There were no echo/blessing-capable adventurers in the First, and so we can only have soloed Titania and Innocence (and there are reasons others couldn't have been to those fights anyway; we barely knew anyone else in the First for Titania, and the Scions were our party going up--and they were busy behind us and specifically not fighting. There was no way for adventurers to be there).

We have incalculable power, both with aether and dynamis, and no one else even comes close. Fortunately, for story purposes, we can only ever access all of our power fully when the story requires it.

This skit is a joke, but it's only as funny as it is because it's basically reality. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrfxvxweRXc

I really miss titanman now. :(

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Originally Posted by Neoyoshi

I really miss titanman now. :(

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Can't handle your favorite game being bashed huh?

Also what makes you think he ever left

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Originally Posted by Shialan

Because the WoL DOES NOT WANT TO BE THAT. They want to be an adventurer. See new stuff. And not be the go-to person if shit hits the fan.

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I was expecting Anime beach episode-- and it failed to give me an Anime beach episode.

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Originally Posted by DreadCrow

Again, 'nuance' has nothing to do with why people are calling it Stormblood 2.0 so the argument makes no sense.







You're greatly overstating our power level in relation to other people. Yes, we've killed gods... With three to seven other people. We're powerful, but we're not all powerful, and so far beyond everyone else we make them look like a nobody. All the Scions are able to keep up with us, after all.

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If felling world ending gods, an entire army of garleans, the crown prince, and EVERY GOD KNOWN TO MANKIND ACROSS EORZEA, I got news for you how naive you are in assumption of just how powerful the WoL has been since 1.0.

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

Can't handle your favorite game being bashed huh?

Also what makes you think he ever left

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I thought we agreed that everyone who talks bad about FF14 is actually a titanman alt?

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Originally Posted by Elkanah

If felling world ending gods, an entire army of garleans, the crown prince, and EVERY GOD KNOWN TO MANKIND ACROSS EORZEA, I got news for you how naive you are in assumption of just how powerful the WoL has been since 1.0.

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Again; we felled "gods" (ignoring primals aren't actually omnipotent); but rarely, if ever, alone. The world-ending threats were fought with seven other warriors of equal strength. Our final battle with Zenos left us exhausted and barely able to continue. I am not saying the Warrior of Light isn't powerful. If we were a D&D character, we'd be something like 9th-11th level. This makes of vastly more powerful than the average person... We even have world shaping potential.

But the idea that we vastly overshadow someone like Zarool Ja, where it isn't even a question? That seems sort of like bullshit to me.

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

Wuk is not liked by JP side anymore than our side. I've seen JP say much more vile things about Wuk than anyone has said on these forums/reddit/twitter.

The Wuk dislike is literally just because of her character, not her VA.



Literally who has said this. EVERYONE is saying it's fine to take a step back to not being front and center, but functionally WoL has been erased from the game. Other characters (Erenville/Krile) who were also supposed to be mainlining this expansion were sidelined. Everyone became extras in "Wuk's Grand Adventure".
If the WoL was removed from the story, nothing would change and that's a bad thing no matter which way you spin it. We had less impact on the story than Mablu.

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The third trial actually made me really excited for a moment. She basically just tells everyone else (including warrior princess garfield) "shut up, and go away. I'm fighting this one now. He's the main character."
Then who else would show up to ruin it? The mere idea of not being the center of attention gave Lamat the ability to warp reality itself.
but, you know, Endwalker had a moment in the final trial where we get help from friends for the final push, so if we rip that off one to one, it'll be just as good. Right?

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Originally Posted by GartredZW

The third trial actually made me really excited for a moment. She basically just tells everyone else (including warrior princess garfield) "shut up, and go away. I'm fighting this one now. He's the main character."
Then who else would show up to ruin it? The mere idea of not being the center of attention gave Lamat the ability to warp reality itself.
but, you know, Endwalker had a moment in the final trial where we get help from friends for the final push, so if we rip that off one to one, it'll be just as good. Right?

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Its just comes down to shes forced on us, They expect us to like her, which makes them bad writers. It hasnt even crossed their minds we wont like her and the irony on top of that being, they've made a lot of people who would have liked her or had no opinion also dislike her because of how much she wont go away.