Tired of Zenos (spoilers)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Edax

Ugh, that would be so cliché. The least they could do is spice it up and have Zenos powered by Hydaelyn as a twist and actually put the title "Warrior of Darkness" to use.

---

That's what I am hoping they do and there's some indications they might be going in that direction but it all amounts to how one reads the tea leaves in the end, and nothing concrete.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by EgilTheStressedMage

We didn't have the help of any god item. Just us and our skills.

---

And the Blessing of Light. Don't forget that. Granted it was there all the time in SB, but it's always there barring that one brief period where Midgardsormr disabled it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lauront

And the Blessing of Light. Don't forget that. Granted it was there all the time in SB, but it's always there barring that one brief period where Midgardsormr disabled it.

---

And us being a piece of if not Azem, so we had two god items from day one. Which means Zenoroth could no sell them, probably easier now. Hope we get some insight into that too. And maybe a few dead NPCs we've known since the start because I want WoL to get mad again and to "spice up" the maybe 89 trial with Zenos.

Yes, it'll be a bit dull if all Fandaniel and he accomplish is a few minor character deaths that no one cares about anyway. They can at least make him entertaining that way.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lauront

Yes, it'll be a bit dull if all Fandaniel and he accomplish is a few minor character deaths that no one cares about anyway. They can at least make him entertaining that way.

---

I'm hoping someone along the lines of G'raha, Alisae or Nanamo have their skulls crushed like an egg by either Fandaniel or Zenos. The cast of characters is becoming rather bloated and it's rather dull to see the only deaths consist of either antagonists or secondary characters temporarily promoted to positions of importance.

I don't like character death for the sake of it. Yet if the intention is to truly make an antagonist a legitimate threat then...there needs to be actual stakes. Everything Elidibus did towards the end amounted to little more than a fireworks show. My assumption is the writers didn't want to take away from the tragedy of his character by having him kill off anyone of importance but Zenos and Fandaniel have no sympathetic qualities and do not need to be bound by such constraints.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Edax

I just said it is often the best option out of many bad options, I didn't say you default to it. And why is overthrowing an existing government definitively "evil"? And why is anarchy definitively "evil"?
Do you consider the United States definitively "evil" for overthrowing British rule? Is it really all so simple?

---

Surely you are aware of the Declaration of Independence, so your example is not even what we are discussing about unless we've been discussing different topics all along.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by linayar

That would depend on the story. I am only responding to you saying they are rebelling just because they don't like a form of government that you say is not ruled by an evil person. That means the rebellion is unnecessary.

It's not a matter of disagreeing. It's a matter of the conflict they are causing.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by linayar

Yes, it is, when you default to think it's ok to just overthrow an existing government because you felt like it. That's anarchy.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Edax

Do you consider the United States definitively "evil" for overthrowing British rule? Is it really all so simple?

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by linayar

Surely you are aware of the Declaration of Independence, so your example is not even what we are discussing about unless we've been discussing different topics all along.

---

Is it not?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Edax

Is it not?

---

The Declaration of Independence is the US stating their reasoning for their war of independence. It was not simply about rebelling because they felt like it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by linayar

When you create a conflict unnecessarily, then you are evil regardless of your reasoning. If you do not wish to be under a certain form of government, you work within the system to secede from the empire (assuming you are part of a political entity with the same view of government) or you (individually) leave the empire.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by linayar

The Declaration of Independence is the US stating their reasoning for their war of independence. It was not simply about rebelling because they felt like it.

---

Did they not feel like it?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Edax

Did they not feel like it?

---

Nope, they didn't feel like just wanting to be in a different government for no reason. They felt like the ruling government was unjust. We were talking about the opposite kind of emperor.

I didn’t like Sephiroth and I definitely don’t like this one dimensional version of him either.

For Stormblood he was fine, a bit on the boring side but it worked. Then he kept showing up in Shb, without us dealing with him. And now we get him... again.