“non-essential” premium content, does SE want this kind of reputation if it continue?

But then you have SE titles like octopath traveler which is a complete game that threw shades to other titles of the company.

Sadly the world is not black and white and frankly what he says about the crossing the line AS I have shown have been already crossed plenty in the past.

And frankly ppl nitpick on him because of what he did in the past and how he treated ppl in general so you reap what you sow

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But then you have SE titles like octopath traveler which is a complete game that threw shades to other titles of the company.

Sadly the world is not black and white and frankly what he says about the crossing the line AS I have shown have been already crossed plenty in the past.

And frankly ppl nitpick on him because of what he did in the past and how he treated ppl in general so you reap what you sow

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My experience with SE has been mainly just the MMOs. I have a few console games that I never made it far in (X, X-2, and i think another numbered one), so I'm not really a die-hard SE fan to begin with. If there are more questionable actions in the other games, I'm not aware of those personally. Maybe that's for the best ;)

But yeah, nothing is black and white, and business models change as time goes on. There are still ways to embrace the changes while not going hog wild and taking advantage of your customers. Obviously opinions will vary on whether or not SE is crossing that line or not.

As to the last line, I get it - I do. But I've seen far too many threads turn into a complete mess because someone will just nitpick the crap out of some irrelevant comment. I guess that's online forums for ya. That was more my frustration slipping through, and I apologize ><

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But then you have SE titles like octopath traveler which is a complete game that threw shades to other titles of the company.

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Well, its a company that acts like a lot of small companies being harbored under the parent company's name. That's bound to happen and is not endemic of SE.

But I know what you mean.

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From a purist oldschool gamers PoV: absolutely.
From a 2018 gamers PoV there is nothing outside the usual here.
From a companies PoV: as long as people suck it up and throw money at you: you are doing everything right.

SE is a BUSINESS. Not a deity obliged to hold up high moral standards. If sub + MT crap = more $$$, that's what they are going to do.
Whether you and me are agreeing to that is completely irrelevant. Don't get me wrong, I still hate Blizzard for paving the way on double dipping. Sub + cash shop is an abomination that should never have been accepted by the gaming community but people out there are dumb, gullible and obviously have too much cash lying around.

We can whine, we can rage, we can reminisce about how great gaming was pre DLC/Lootbox/Microtransaction but all we will do is waste our energy while the kiddos of today happily drain their parent's wallets for a few insta gratification shinies.

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This pessimistic outlook is just sad, but also doesn't make any sense. Of course they are a business, which is why we the consumers of their products should let them know how much we dont like it, and also spread the word to others so they dont have the growth they want. A big part of ffxiv success was word of mouth by dedicated fans going back all the way to 1.0. It is strange that the ONLY industry where this viewpoint is given any weight is gaming/software.

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Who cares about reputation when you can get money ?

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Isn't this the thinking that almost tanked SE before ffxiv saved them?

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Renting inventory space in a subscription game doesn't cross the line? not even the WORST korean F2P games can get away with that.

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No they don't but they'll make you pay for everything else and unlike here you have to pay if you don't want to waste several hours of playing wiht one death for example. You still don't have to rent retainers, they give you a little advantage but you don't need it.
As long as there are no mandatory things in the mogstation everything is fine and if you want to spend your money for the stuff do it and if not then don't.

And now people can call me a white knight, i don't really care because i'm 100% not i'm just amazed that people don't understand that they pay their sub only for beeing able to log in, get patches and maintenance.

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You do realize that the mogstation cash items are do to the demand people request on social media, forums, in game, and other sources right? They are thinking of the community and in a way it is called a business for a reason. Based on your post you seem to misunderstand the whole meaning of the word.

Business ; The activity of buying and selling commodities, products, or services:

Purpose of a business ; is to offer value (through products and/or services) to customers, who pay for the value with cash or equivalents. Minimally, the money received should fund the costs of operating the business as well as provide for the life needs of the proprietor.

With this being said; you do realize everything is considered OPTIONAL ; meaning available to be chosen but not obligatory.

Hence the Cash shop which we the consumer are to blame for.

As for the whole Lag issues ; -.- you do realize that there are multiple factors that can affect this, NOT just SE. Device, technology changes example; PC 32bit system , recommended to use 64bit system. There is also product knowledge somehow people want to run at max settings when their system can't handle it. Then it crashes and blame the company.

I do agree that the company can be better prepared for expansions and to be honest I was impressed with Stormblood. Compared to Heavansward, it was a huge improvement in congestion controls so they have shown that they are trying to make it a better experience.

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Saying it is due to demand doesn't really add up, that may be true for some items but jump potions for example were almost universally panned and yet we got them anyway.

I'm not sure why you think quoting the definition of business in a condescending way is an argument? Anyone who has actual business experience knows that a huge part of running a business is competition and keeping you customers happy and loyal. This weird justification for any behavior with "Its a BUSINESS" is unique to digital goods, I have no idea why. People would not accept this for anything else.

Regarding things being OPTIONAL , Textures are optional, you could technically play the game in wireframe mode just fine, sound and music is optional, dont NEED them to play the game. Graphic settings beyond the minimum are optional. If you go down this weird subjective rabbit hole 99.99% of the game is optional. Makes no sense to tell people who don't like this its OPTIONAL . Its a meaningless point.

I was not talking about client lag, tho there are issues that highlight SE laziness and incompetence in the move to dx11 with crashes and driver problems that are easily preventable on SE end, as well as lack of proper Anti Aliasing. I was talking about connection problems with the server location and move. I have done network contracting for game companies before and the issues with packet loss and routing in ffxiv are absolutely preventable and solvable,as evidence by the fact no other MMO has this problem. This isn't random intermittent lag that happens to some people in all MMOs, this is chronic specific problem that is easily traceable to a specific point and has been happening for years. if SE actually gave a crap and was willing to spend money to do their literal job as an MMO service provider it could be fixed in a day.

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No they don't but they'll make you pay for everything else and unlike here you have to pay if you don't want to waste several hours of playing wiht one death for example. You still don't have to rent retainers, they give you a little advantage but you don't need it.
As long as there are no mandatory things in the mogstation everything is fine and if you want to spend your money for the stuff do it and if not then don't.

And now people can call me a white knight, i don't really care because i'm 100% not i'm just amazed that people don't understand that they pay their sub only for beeing able to log in, get patches and maintenance.

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Why are you so amazed that your weird subjective definition of mandatory and optional in the game is not shared by everyone? What exactly is mandatory? If glamour is the true end game for most, then all this "optional" stuff seems pretty mandatory to me.

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My experience with SE has been mainly just the MMOs. I have a few console games that I never made it far in (X, X-2, and i think another numbered one), so I'm not really a die-hard SE fan to begin with. If there are more questionable actions in the other games, I'm not aware of those personally. Maybe that's for the best ;)

But yeah, nothing is black and white, and business models change as time goes on. There are still ways to embrace the changes while not going hog wild and taking advantage of your customers. Obviously opinions will vary on whether or not SE is crossing that line or not.

As to the last line, I get it - I do. But I've seen far too many threads turn into a complete mess because someone will just nitpick the crap out of some irrelevant comment. I guess that's online forums for ya. That was more my frustration slipping through, and I apologize ><

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What I mean is that FFXI already sold extra wardrobe space and also you had to pay for character slots, from what ppl tell me about the game it's more crippling than here, but I could be wrong. Point is that what's happening is not really doing anything out of the straordinary

as for the quote regarding OP, well I can agree with you, it's a bit of bias for some and for others can be frustating

To me the app's an add-on ease-of-access thingy. If they need to charge for building and maintaining it, I think that's fair.

My cell service provider offers add-ons for a fee. Netflix's got price tiers. Same with my ISP. As with my VPN. It's a good thing for me. I have a choice to pay for what I want; and not pay for what I don't want.

If FFXIV upped the sub to $25 a month but gave us the equivalent of max retainer space, app, all glams, instead of putting it on mogstation, I'd still sub cos it's FF. Won't bat an eyelid. But I still won't be using the mobile app to manage MBs. Nor will I use all of the retainer space. Nor use that blobby flying moggle mount.