Yoshida on Patch 3.2 Content - Famitsu Translation

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Originally Posted by therpgfanatic

The devs want more tanks to run in DF pugs, but they don't want to do the one key thing that would make a difference; put tank DPS on par with DPS classes if the tank is in a party. It works like this in most MMOs, namely the most popular one (WoW, where tanks tend to top the parsers) and the world doesn't end. .

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Yea-no.

Wow overcomes the obvious problem to this (If tanks do just as much DPS, why bring DPS?) By adding very specific party-wide buffs for each class. So even if tanks were doing similar dps, (which they only are if they're tanking and getting vengeance) they aren't bringing the diversity of buffs. FF14 basically only has the LB building system, and a moderate STR buff.

Much less, what's the point of rolling a DPS class if you're not better at DPS than a class that takes way more damage? Maybe you're ranged, or maybe your casting spells... But what if you're just a melee? What's the point? Thematically or mechanically?

I'm a bit put off by Wardens Paeon, if they can simply adjust the cast time and such, why can't they just give us swiftcast? It seems each patch becomes more convoluted for BRD. Seriously we're now a regenerating debuffing status cleanser caster class. I still don't even see myself adding WP to my crossbar even with this tweak.

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Originally Posted by Ibi

That's weird.

I did all mine on paladin, usually forgetting I even had a chocobo, because I was more-or-less impossible to kill, and I never had any issues with killing stuff in a timely manner.

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Yeah, this is exactly what I'm talking about when I mention players who act like they are awesome in unrealistic ways.

The Rock giant with bomb minions is impossible to solo as a PLD as it requires the ability to either burn down the adds or kite them while DPS; neither of which a PLD is equipped to do. I don't even want to hear this crap that you were impossible to kill. You might be able to endure the Malboro or the Cyclops if you were over-geared and popping potions, but the same encounter done by any other class is x1,000 easier.

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Originally Posted by CosmicKirby

Yea-no.

Wow overcomes the obvious problem to this (If tanks do just as much DPS, why bring DPS?) By adding very specific party-wide buffs for each class. So even if tanks were doing similar dps, (which they only are if they're tanking and getting vengeance) they aren't bringing the diversity of buffs. FF14 basically only has the LB building system, and a moderate STR buff.

Much less, what's the point of rolling a DPS class if you're not better at DPS than a class that takes way more damage? Maybe you're ranged, or maybe your casting spells... But what if you're just a melee? What's the point? Thematically or mechanically?

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Seems the solution is clear; add more unique utility to DPS classes. Why is this so complex to understand?

The main reason players roll a DPS class is to have less responsibility than tanking or healing. It's not to do the most damage in the game. I'd further say the class a player chooses as their main usually has more to do with their own psychology -- the image they want to project about themselves -- than it does any game mechanical reason. Thus why the majority of modern MMOs have long since abandoned a harsh adoption of the holy triad, in favor of a more relaxed model.

WoW is one example where tank DPS is on par with a pure DPS class while in a party, but there are also games as old as Ragnarok Online that have always allowed tank characters to deal high damage while tanking. Because the non-tank classes have other utility that tanks do not have, the game is still balanced.

FFXIV focusing just on how much damage, healing or defense a character has as the sole basis for determining what is "balance" is why there is a shortage of tanks.

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Originally Posted by therpgfanatic

Yeah, this is exactly what I'm talking about when I mention players who act like they are awesome in unrealistic ways.

The Rock giant with bomb minions is impossible to solo as a PLD as it requires the ability to either burn down the adds or kite them while DPS; neither of which a PLD is equipped to do. I don't even want to hear this crap that you were impossible to kill. You might be able to endure the Malboro or the Cyclops if you were over-geared and popping potions, but the same encounter done by any other class is x1,000 easier.

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I always solo'd that as a PLD... lol Maybe you were just doing it wrong. The Marbol was easy, just stun it or use tempered will to remove the bind and walk out of the bad breath aoe. the cyclops was the only one I really had trouble with, due to lack of aoe damage, but I always managed to solo taht too

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

It really bothers me that they left some of the primals unused, and instead homogenized them to make less sense thematically. Titan could have been tank, , Ifrit could be melee (look at the claws man), Gauda for ranged, levi for ninja (interchangable), shiva for healer, Ramuh could have been caster (or reverse the two, since Ramuh is the more benevolent of the two.



It now costs 2 seconds to cast since normal esuna is 1 second, and paeon is double the cleansing.

But seriously though, I hope that it's not the case. If it's still using a GCD, it doesn't change the fact that you're still taking away from dps to do a healer's job, and the latter should never be swarmed enough with their tasks to burden a non-healer to do cleansing.

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It's likely because the skill isn't meant for the raid scene, rather something to use when your out adventuring alone like doing fates. It's also what I would call a PvP skill. With the new changes, it has a TON of uses there.

The recast could be one second and it still wouldn't keep you from doing the healer's job.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I always solo'd that as a PLD... lol Maybe you were just doing it wrong. The Marbol was easy, just stun it or use tempered will to remove the bind and walk out of the bad breath aoe. the cyclops was the only one I really had trouble with, due to lack of aoe damage, but I always managed to solo taht too

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Just to ensure we are on the same track this is the encounter you are claiming to solo as a PLD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeXzMO6Gv5A

That's a WAR doing the encounter. The only reason they managed to succeed is because the encounter glitched and the bombs didn't target him and rush to explode like they are supposed to.

Here's the same encounter with a BLM who just nukes the bombs when they spawn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOIebRNy6Gc

See the difference? Winning as a tank requires sheer dumb luck. If the bombs had targeted the tank, he'd wiped and there would be nothing he could do about it.

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Originally Posted by therpgfanatic

Just to ensure we are on the same track this is the encounter you are claiming to solo as a PLD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeXzMO6Gv5A

That's a WAR doing the encounter. The only reason they managed to succeed is because the encounter glitched and the bombs didn't target him and rush to explode like they are supposed to.

Here's the same encounter with a BLM who just nukes the bombs when they spawn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOIebRNy6Gc

See the difference? Winning as a tank requires sheer dumb luck.

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You realize you can just... attack each set of bombs as they spawn right? they dont have much hp and you have plenty of time to kill them before they explode.

That WAR just completely ignored them

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Originally Posted by therpgfanatic

The main reason players roll a DPS class is to have less responsibility than tanking or healing. It's not to do the most damage in the game.

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Stopped reading there. That is completely false.

As for your note about soloing things, PLD will be superior for some things and weaker on other things. Go figure.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

You realize you can just... attack each set of bombs as they spawn right? they dont have much hp and you have plenty of time to kill them before they explode.

That WAR just completely ignored them

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There isn't enough time for a PLD to single target kill each bomb while also getting wailed on by the golem. Unless they've changed the encounter from when it was released, which I doubt. Even if they did the point still stands that lack of tanking ability doesn't inconvenience DPS classes in the slightest because they can kill enemies before they can kill them, whereas PLD has a lot of difficulty dealing with more than a couple enemies due to low DPS burst and barely existent AoE.

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Originally Posted by therpgfanatic

There isn't enough time for a PLD to single target kill each bomb while also getting wailed on by the golem. Unless they've changed the encounter from when it was released, which I doubt. Even if they did the point still stands that lack of tanking ability doesn't inconvenience DPS classes in the slightest because they can kill enemies before they can kill them, whereas PLD has a lot of difficulty dealing with more than a couple enemies due to low DPS burst and barely existent AoE.

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A PLD had PLENTY of time to single target them down at release, I know cuz I was there. The golem didn't hurt that much lol. AND I was in full vit accessories. The only time the bombs exploded on me was when i LET them to see how much dmg they did.