Paladin need to be review.

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Originally Posted by Yhoiryo

@Dhex Which is a sad sad meta

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It is but the instant you start talking about more dynamic stats, skill trees, or anything that would change the meta of FFXIV this forum literally shits it's pants and starts spouting about illusion of choice and having PTSD about whatever older generation MMO they played and force the game into the same little box it already lives in.

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Originally Posted by Pr0c3ss0r

Yes i love that idea, it could work the exact same way as it work atm, if your shield block, you can use it and is a cone attack, mean the more monster you have, the more chance to block and deal DMG. Paired with Bulwark + Bloodbath, it would be very interesting.



That be too powerful =D, i also love too much Royal Authority how it is atm, That combo make PLD Awesome OT =D high dps with very low chance of snapping enmity. I be sad if they remove it or change it.

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My thoughts exactly! You are actually one of the few people I have met that hasn't just suggested massive changes that would turn the class into some bully tank that muscles out the others.

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Originally Posted by Yhoiryo

So just because one piece of content doesn't suit a job it has to be changed.


Because heaven forbid you can't get through trash fast enough.

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Yeah, because, you know, bosses NEVER have adds ever, riiigggghht?

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Originally Posted by Pr0c3ss0r

True if is the only one with multi-target and all next raid be all boring single boss to kill. Don't you think it be better to fix PLD issue and make more content with multi-target encounter?

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I don't have many issues with A2, but the change I suggested would be helpful for us. That being said, I do think there are some problems with the sustainability of the AOE enmity generation on Warriors. I am not saying that they can't put out enough AOE enmity, I am just saying that the resource consumption of putting out enough can be quickly crippling when in a fight that has no breaks for TP recovery. Overpower provides no Wrath, but you don't do any AOE enmity except for Flash without Overpower or full wrath stacks, and the phases, if pushed appropriately fast, come while Infuriate is on CD. I can just barely pull A2 off with my Warrior, but I much prefer my Paladin for this fight.

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Originally Posted by Ceodore

My thoughts exactly! You are actually one of the few people I have met that hasn't just suggested massive changes that would turn the class into some bully tank that muscles out the others.

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Bully Tank would be a real sad day... WAR is already close to that sentence and it make the game feel a bit wrong, but in other hand you have to be a very skilled to reach that point on WAR, not like everyone can push WAR to that limit (Not yet at least) I am happy of the change they did on WAR, is actually a real Tank now (if play right)

Paladin is well balanced too, by time is not multi-target, they don't even need to make a huge fix, but ya, something have to be done.

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Originally Posted by Peekachu33

At an average level of i210 the DPS contribution from a PLD vs. similarly geared DPS will be negligible to laughable. Your I210 DPS have some serious issues if they're relying on your leet PLD DPS to push the needle. I'm not sure what your point is. Flash is a utility and aoe hate generator. That's how the skill was designed.

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I think this is a bit irrelevant to the OP's point.

1.) Noone is i210 right now. It'd be strange for the OP to be complaining about future events that have yet to happen or be experienced.
2.) Why are you comparing the DPS of a PLD to DPS roles? Compare them to the other tanks.

If my Static were having DPS problems, a WAR and a DRK will bring more DPS and they're likely to take them instead. Telling a PLD bringing group to just wait for higher ilevels isn't really an answer, you might as well tell them to go take a vacation after capping each week.

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Originally Posted by CosmicKirby

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It's completely relevant. It would help if you followed that chain of replies to see what, exactly, I had responded to. Anyway, no one is actually geared to the level of the content. Alex Savage is supposed to last for at least 3 months, as well as be tackled with help from esoterics gear. Just like Rav Ex began to become trivial at i180+ for most players, so too will this content be easier as ilvls increase. I got my clear and all my farming down before even Alex normal, and it was a chore compared to if I'd waited another week. Sometimes waiting isn't so bad, you know. All the whining in the world about the "terrible DPS" of tanks and players in general, of which we've seen several threads each week, stems from this hyperbolic distortion of reality that everything can and should be accomplished within days of release.

Topics discussed here and in other threads apply to some 0.01% of the community that is dead-set on clearing the hardest content as quickly as possible. Savage is supposed to be gated, even for those folks. I bet you'll see better progress now that we're in week three and everyone can actually afford an esoterics weapon. Cause again, that's what the content is balanced toward.

As a pld in savage, we're weak. The other tanks quite simply bring more than us to the party.
We have terrible maintanking dps and aoe dps, being more offensive is needed from tanks in savage floor 1-4.

There are many small improvements that could be done to help, such as allowing us to swap shield oath and sword oath offgcd and making it so they don't break combos. You could improve shield swipe to aoe cone, or offgcd. You could reduce the damage loss on shield oath. Make bosses that have decently strong auto attacks so tanks don't want to swap into dps stance. There is probably lots more that could be done aswell.

Defense wise the other tanks keep up with pld or beat it in some situations all while doing far more dps, meaning plds are in a very bad position progression wise.

Right. As someone who actually tanks in Savage Alexander, I can tell you for a FACT paladin mitigation is worlds ahead of warriors. Paladin also are near required for A2 (And really 3 if you want to be safe.) You're upset paladin can't parse like warrior, but really that just shows your fundamental lack of understanding in the job.




Warriors mitigate as well as, or better than paladins.. lol thank you, I needed a morning laugh.

Again, people attempting to assess any job based on content designed for 10+ average item levels from where most people are now cannot and should not be taken with great weight. Look at my Lodestone profile if you want, my point stands all the same. People are freezing out Astrologians and other jobs based on this nonsense and it needs to stop.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

Again, people attempting to assess any job based on content designed for 10+ average item levels from where most people are now cannot and should not be taken with great weight. Look at my Lodestone profile if you want, my point stands all the same. People are freezing out Astrologians and other jobs based on this nonsense and it needs to stop.

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... My group has cleared A1 and 2 and almost A3 with an astrologian... Perhaps you should look more to yourself and try less to blame the class. Eva Eva if you want to look her up. She has no other healers leveled.
And how DARE we use content to judge how classes preform in content! We should use anecdotal evidence from people who have never once ventured into the kind of content that requires min/maxing!

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Originally Posted by AcaciaTyrannia

... My group has cleared A1 and 2 and almost A3 with an astrologian... Perhaps you should look more to yourself and try less to blame the class. Eva Eva if you want to look her up. She has no other healers leveled.

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As someone who has levelled up all 3 healers and play them all regularly, I'll just sum up the issues AST has in two sentences.

It's not AST vs content.
It's AST vs WHM/SCH.