Housing Roulette was an absolute trash idea.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

That can't be right, can it? An FC can't own multiple houses, at least not anymore (because I remember a time where at least individual owners could have multiple houses). And that tag means that it's an FC-owned house, not something by an individual. Something's not right with that image. Probably an exploit or something. Especially since, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the 25th Ward a recent addition? One added in after the restrictions started being put in place on individual owners?

If that's the case then that doesn't appear to be happening under normal circumstances.

So, yeah sure, you have multiple open plots. But the bigger question is how the heck are they keeping those plots to begin with when it, I assume, shouldn't be possible? At least not as of the implementation of the 25th ward?

Edit: I got a possible answer. One group, multiple FC's, same name, usually with alts. If so, Square likely won't bother to look into it, since they treat it as a different FC each time.

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The issue in this picture is that the ward is deserted because no one wants goblet, and these people are taking the plots that no one wants. Which in itself is not an issue at all, there's also PLENTY plots available in that same ward as well.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

The issue in this picture is that the ward is deserted because no one wants goblet, and these people are taking the plots that no one wants. Which in itself is not an issue at all, there's also PLENTY plots available in that same ward as well.

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You better stop talkin shit about the goblet.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

2023 and We're STILL seeing multiple instances of a single FC trying to take over a ward, on a populated server no less. THIS.SHOULD.NOT.BE.HAPPENING.

https://i.imgur.com/09OsDGa.png

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This is on a FC ward, why do you care? They won't remove the FC ward restriction and FC plots are so easy to get that this barely matters.
Besides, 7thbr is a very large FC. They could be using different members to create these instead of alts, so SE wouldn't be able to do anything anyway.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

The issue in this picture is that the ward is deserted because no one wants goblet, and these people are taking the plots that no one wants. Which in itself is not an issue at all, there's also PLENTY plots available in that same ward as well.

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The "same" FC taking over the entire ward is also a problem in and of itself. But it's within SE's legal parameters, so there's not much that's going to be done about it.

As for the open plots, even if the Goblet is an underappreciated housing district (which it is, let's not deny that, people...), there's also the fact that some of those plots might be open due to relocations. So it's not like every single one is vacant out of choice, some literally just opened up but are locked until the next round. So on that note, I'm giving it some benefit of the doubt.

I posted a while ago that my own FC's ward in the Empyreum, a popular location for housing, had a bunch of plots open. Those likely happened to relocations. So stuff like this is normal, and it's not telling people to bid for them that's going to change it.

Deceptus's post is pointing out at the "same" FC taking over several plots. And if this is possible and a recurring problem in more crowded servers, then it's still a problem, regardless of how many plots are available at whichever location. This could be happening in the Lavender Beds too, it wouldn't matter. The problem Deceptus is pointing toward is this being a possibility to begin with. Not whether or not there are plenty of plots open.

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Originally Posted by ameliaw

This is on a FC ward, why do you care? They won't remove the FC ward restriction and FC plots are so easy to get that this barely matters.

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That's the thing. It's within SE's standards, so this can happen without much of a problem.

The real issue is that if this happens in more popular wards, there's just a bunch of houses being taken up when they could house more FCs.

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I'm gonna see this thread lack chill again, aren't I?

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

The "same" FC taking over the entire ward is also a problem in and of itself. But it's within SE's legal parameters, so there's not much that's going to be done about it.

As for the open plots, even if the Goblet is an underappreciated housing district (which it is, let's not deny that, people...), there's also the fact that some of those plots might be open due to relocations. So it's not like every single one is vacant out of choice, some literally just opened up but are locked until the next round. So on that note, I'm giving it some benefit of the doubt.

I posted a while ago that my own FC's ward in the Empyreum, a popular location for housing, had a bunch of plots open. Those likely happened to relocations. So stuff like this is normal, and it's not telling people to bid for them that's going to change it.

Deceptus's post is pointing out at the "same" FC taking over several plots. And if this is possible and a recurring problem in more crowded servers, then it's still a problem, regardless of how many plots are available at whichever location. This could be happening in the Lavender Beds too, it wouldn't matter. The problem Deceptus is pointing toward is this being a possibility to begin with. Not whether or not there are plenty of plots open.

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Goblet FC plots never sold out in Behemoth. It's not an issue at all here, since 6.1.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

You better stop talkin shit about the goblet.

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Hey I love Goblet, especially 19/49 are my favorites in there, there's that one Roe flexing in front of it all the time !

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

The "same" FC taking over the entire ward is also a problem in and of itself. But it's within SE's legal parameters, so there's not much that's going to be done about it.

As for the open plots, even if the Goblet is an underappreciated housing district (which it is, let's not deny that, people...), there's also the fact that some of those plots might be open due to relocations. So it's not like every single one is vacant out of choice, some literally just opened up but are locked until the next round. So on that note, I'm giving it some benefit of the doubt.

I posted a while ago that my own FC's ward in the Empyreum, a popular location for housing, had a bunch of plots open. Those likely happened to relocations. So stuff like this is normal, and it's not telling people to bid for them that's going to change it.

Deceptus's post is pointing out at the "same" FC taking over several plots. And if this is possible and a recurring problem in more crowded servers, then it's still a problem, regardless of how many plots are available at whichever location. This could be happening in the Lavender Beds too, it wouldn't matter. The problem Deceptus is pointing toward is this being a possibility to begin with. Not whether or not there are plenty of plots open.



That's the thing. It's within SE's standards, so this can happen without much of a problem.

The real issue is that if this happens in more popular wards, there's just a bunch of houses being taken up when they could house more FCs.

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I'm gonna see this thread lack chill again, aren't I?

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Except FC's dont want Goblet, as shows that picture, only 4 "real" fcs are in there, while the rest would have been empty without the few plots that the other person took.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

As for the open plots, even if the Goblet is an underappreciated housing district (which it is, let's not deny that, people...), there's also the fact that some of those plots might be open due to relocations. So it's not like every single one is vacant out of choice, some literally just opened up but are locked until the next round. So on that note, I'm giving it some benefit of the doubt.

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Ward 25 has only had one result period so it isn't possible that an fc has relocated away from there. Those plots were uncontested in round 1 and still no one wanted them.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

The issue in this picture is that the ward is deserted because no one wants goblet, and these people are taking the plots that no one wants. Which in itself is not an issue at all, there's also PLENTY plots available in that same ward as well.

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Roulette is still going on and those plots aren't finished.

Housing is housing and every FC plot another grabs up is one in the future that can't be accessed by a new FC looking to establish themselves.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Hey I love Goblet, especially 19/49 are my favorites in there, there's that one Roe flexing in front of it all the time !

Except FC's dont want Goblet, as shows that picture, only 4 "real" fcs are in there, while the rest would have been empty without the few plots that the other person took.

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Because the "premium" ones would attempt to be obtained first and then when not acquired, FC's would go looking to wherever they could get, in this case, would have been Goblet if 7thBR wouldn't have swallowed them up.

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Originally Posted by ameliaw

This is on a FC ward, why do you care? They won't remove the FC ward restriction and FC plots are so easy to get that this barely matters.
Besides, 7thbr is a very large FC. They could be using different members to create these instead of alts, so SE wouldn't be able to do anything anyway.

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Why are you defending FC's taking more than the 1 alotted spot they're supposed to have? The only reasons a FC would do that that are

1) Vanity (because they can)
2) The player / alt using the "FC" plot as a personal house with is against the TOS.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Roulette is still going on and those plots aren't finished.

Housing is housing and every FC plot another grabs up is one in the future that can't be accessed by a new FC looking to establish themselves.




Because the "premium" ones would attempt to be obtained first and then when not acquired, FC's would go looking to wherever they could get, in this case, would have been Goblet if 7thBR wouldn't have swallowed them up.



Why are you defending FC's taking more than the 1 alotted spot they're supposed to have? The only reasons a FC would do that that are

1) Vanity (because they can)
2) The player / alt using the "FC" plot as a personal house with is against the TOS.

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It is not against TOS. And yeah, they do it because they can, but again its a non-issue since supply for FCs in Behemoth is much higher than the demand and has been since 6.1. There's no reason to care about this.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Roulette is still going on and those plots aren't finished.

Housing is housing and every FC plot another grabs up is one in the future that can't be accessed by a new FC looking to establish themselves.




Because the "premium" ones would attempt to be obtained first and then when not acquired, FC's would go looking to wherever they could get, in this case, would have been Goblet if 7thBR wouldn't have swallowed them up.



Why are you defending FC's taking more than the 1 alotted spot they're supposed to have? The only reasons a FC would do that that are

1) Vanity (because they can)
2) The player / alt using the "FC" plot as a personal house with is against the TOS.

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It's not agaisnt TOS, that's first of all.

And for the second part, they didnt "swallow them up", no one bid on them. It was uncontested. If people decided to go to shiro, mist, lb or empy, that's on them, those people decided to go to goblet where it'd be uncontested, good on them.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Housing is housing and every FC plot another grabs up is one in the future that can't be accessed by a new FC looking to establish themselves.

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If there ever is too few FC plots the devs will just allocate another set of wards for free companies. Free companies will always have priority. They get to place more bids and shop around in FC wards with plenty of options and no competition.

The reason why houses run out has never been the existence of free companies, but the existence of personal housing. There will never be enough houses because as soon as a ward is opened up to personal buyers, every single plot will be filled in a short amount of time. No matter how much we are given, we need more.

Let's be real here. New FCs of the future are not the real reason people are mad about "undeserving" free companies buying plots. In people's minds those houses in a free company ward are just personal plots waiting to be released to the public and free companies are cutting the line. People are unwilling to make an FC to buy these plots and would prefer FC wards to rot unused until they are opened for personal buyers.

Still a few free places in Goblet Louisoix, let’s be neighbours, I wont ever chat you up but lets :3!

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Originally Posted by Reinha

If there ever is too few FC plots the devs will just allocate another set of wards for free companies. Free companies will always have priority. They get to place more bids and shop around in FC wards with plenty of options and no competition.

The reason why houses run out has never been the existence of free companies, but the existence of personal housing. There will never be enough houses because as soon as a ward is opened up to personal buyers, every single plot will be filled in a short amount of time. No matter how much we are given, we need more.

Let's be real here. New FCs of the future are not the real reason people are mad about "undeserving" free companies buying plots. In people's minds those houses in a free company ward are just personal plots waiting to be released to the public and free companies are cutting the line. People are unwilling to make an FC to buy these plots and would prefer FC wards to rot unused until they are opened for personal buyers.

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If there are more spots than FC in an FC ward they should be converted to regular housing, but the point remains, a single FC shouldn't be allowed to have multiple plots because those players are using them for individual housing under the guise of an FC.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

It's not agaisnt TOS, that's first of all.

And for the second part, they didnt "swallow them up", no one bid on them. It was uncontested. If people decided to go to shiro, mist, lb or empy, that's on them, those people decided to go to goblet where it'd be uncontested, good on them.

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Deceptus, she's right. It's not against the ToS. It's going to feel scummy and a moral wrong, but it's not against the ToS.

Now, I don't know if no one bid on them, since for that we'd need to check each individual plot during the roulette to see if it was contested or not... Especially since at least one FC got a house there. But it is true that the Goblet isn't the most appealing, and thus they got likely got these houses whenever it was possible. So Stormpeaks is correct on that one as well.

And it's also possible that whichever other FCs were on there in the other plots likely just relocated elsewhere, making the available plots there grow.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

And it's also possible that whichever other FCs were on there in the other plots likely just relocated elsewhere, making the available plots there grow.

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I assume you are talking about the picture that was posted earlier. There were no FCs in ward 25 before the previous lottery cycle, because before then ward 25 was not in the game yet. It's not possible to have relocated elsewhere from a new ward until tomorrow.

That ward has smalls and mediums that no one wanted. Either no one bid on them at all, or someone bid on them and refused to claim the plot. Anyone who thinks the few taken plots are being misused can make a new free company, claim an unwanted plot and find a better use for it.

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Originally Posted by MintberriCrunch

Yes it did, and no it wasn't. Me and all the friends I met spamming those placards got houses under that system. With that being said, we all spent waaaay too much time spamming (30+ hours collectively for me) and losing plots to transfers and bots. The old system was obviously bad, nobody in their right mind actually wants it back, I'm just saying at least there was a way to influence the outcome and that the lottery system is the laziest band-aid imaginable.

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That's anecdotal at best. A few players that you know won, and hundreds did not. It is luck-based. Essentially, your odds if you show up and spam (or use a bot) was roughly 1 / number_of_players_spamming. Which is more or less the same as lottery is now - without the need to stand around for 12+ hours for each plot you try to win.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

I assume you are talking about the picture that was posted earlier. There were no FCs in ward 25 before the previous lottery cycle, because before then ward 25 was not in the game yet. It's not possible to have relocated elsewhere from a new ward until tomorrow.

That ward has smalls and mediums that no one wanted. Either no one bid on them at all, or someone bid on them and refused to claim the plot. Anyone who thinks the few taken plots are being misused can make a new free company, claim an unwanted plot and find a better use for it.

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Well, I haven't been keeping track of what got added or not CX

I mention "relocations" a lot though because that's what I see happened in the wards I know were full where I play. However, I have no context as to what goes on in America half the time. If the plots Deceptus posted where indeed completely empty, then this just loops back around to what I said before in another thread.

The problem isn't the system alone. And it's not adding restrictions on plot owners out of a salt-ridden vendetta that anyone will resolve anything. Because by that point, you'll hit those that weren't like that FC and... for lack of a more carefully-measured expression, used methods that were tolerated by the development team to own more than one plot. In theory.

Is that a problematic thing to do? Yes. But unfortunately there's not going to be a hard clamp on that scenario that doesn't also restrict people that had nothing to do with the situation.

Just take the houses and bid on them. Odds are, you'll relocate later. It doesn't matter if it's in the Goblet, because at least you'll have a house. Clearly that's what people want at all costs from the way these threads are written e.e;

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Originally Posted by MintberriCrunch

Title says it all, I'd rather go back to fighting bots at the placard for hours at a time because at least my dedication eventually got me a house. Square's solution to the bot problem being "lets just make it randomm!!xD" has to be the absolute laziest solution to a problem I've ever seen in a game.

I might have been okay with this stupidly lazy fix if it only applied to the dime a dozen small houses, but Medium and Large plots are some of the rarest and most sought after items in the game. Its insane to me that a some person who just hit level 50 and ground out a moot amount of gold has the same chance at getting one of these plots as a mentor with 50x more sub time and time played.

The very least they could do is increase the amount of money these plots cost (at least double) and require you to complete the Endwalker MSQ and possibly more. This would cut down on the amount of bids people with multiple alt characters and/or multiple accounts are putting in each buy period, as I personally know many people with 2+ houses that are putting in 3+ bids on MORE plots each buy period because of the loose restrictions.

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The Lottery is fine, but they need to enforce the one plot per world Rule.

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Originally Posted by Final-Fantasy

The Lottery is fine, but they need to enforce the one plot per world Rule.

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This would make it so people who own FCs can't own a house, and there's alot of people who wouldnt be happy about that. If you're talking about the people who circumvent those restrictions in the first place by owning multiple service accounts, it's extremely deniable and hard to prove, and Square Enix likely cares about it as much as they care about everyone who is pissed off about housing in general, since they pay the subs of those accounts just as much as every other per individual user. They've yet to make any plans or comment on how atrocious it is in general for the actual people who do play and want to participate, so all that is to say "they don't care much", which is basically their modus operandi for everything at this point. That being said, housing isn't fine, and by extension, neither is the lottery, or was placard spamming.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

I assume you are talking about the picture that was posted earlier. There were no FCs in ward 25 before the previous lottery cycle, because before then ward 25 was not in the game yet. It's not possible to have relocated elsewhere from a new ward until tomorrow.

That ward has smalls and mediums that no one wanted. Either no one bid on them at all, or someone bid on them and refused to claim the plot. Anyone who thinks the few taken plots are being misused can make a new free company, claim an unwanted plot and find a better use for it.

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But then you get people who are like "but-but muh FC. I can't leab it. T_T"

Prob gonna be the last thing I say on this topic but if you're (speaking in general) butthurt over people making FCs to get housing while refusing to leave your own FC....you're literally just getting mad over nothing. I dipped to Dynamis because housing and all of the people in my life prior to that are still in my life now, we literally just use cross-DC to hang out and I'm still in their servers on Discord. If a <TAG> next to your name is more important than actually getting your house, you don't need one that badly. If your FC is the type that would shut you out if you leave, why are you still there? They clearly don't care about your friendship.

It just makes very little sense to me over why people get mad over something they aren't willing to do in the first place. Like, the devs aren't going to magically change all but one ward to private housing. Is it scummy that some people chose to multi-own or make their own FC to get a house? Sure. Can I blame them? No. If your ties to your own FC are holding you back from doing the same then evaluate how badly you actually need that house and maybe hop off giving other people a hard time for being able to do what you refuse.

Also, if you're waiting for a specific plot to open because you absolutely can't imagine living in a "lowly small", then get in line with everyone else who wants that plot if you arent willinf to move to get it. Meanwhile those who are just happy to get something will already have theirs. This housing system leaves no room for being picky once it gets to the point that we're only getting 1 or 2 new houses at a time. Relocate later, that's the literal point of it.

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But then you get people who are like "but-but muh FC. I can't leab it. T_T"

Prob gonna be the last thing I say on this topic but if you're (speaking in general) butthurt over people making FCs to get housing while refusing to leave your own FC....you're literally just getting mad over nothing. I dipped to Dynamis because housing and all of the people in my life prior to that are still in my life now, we literally just use cross-DC to hang out and I'm still in their servers on Discord. If a <TAG> next to your name is more important than actually getting your house, you don't need one that badly. If your FC is the type that would shut you out if you leave, why are you still there? They clearly don't care about your friendship.

It just makes very little sense to me over why people get mad over something they aren't willing to do in the first place. Like, the devs aren't going to magically change all but one ward to private housing. Is it scummy that some people chose to multi-own or make their own FC to get a house? Sure. Can I blame them? No. If your ties to your own FC are holding you back from doing the same then evaluate how badly you actually need that house and maybe hop off giving other people a hard time for being able to do what you refuse.

Also, if you're waiting for a specific plot to open because you absolutely can't imagine living in a "lowly small", then get in line with everyone else who wants that plot if you arent willinf to move to get it. Meanwhile those who are just happy to get something will already have theirs. This housing system leaves no room for being picky once it gets to the point that we're only getting 1 or 2 new houses at a time. Relocate later, that's the literal point of it.

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Couldnt have said it better myself, well done.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

It just makes very little sense to me over why people get mad over something they aren't willing to do in the first place. Like, the devs aren't going to magically change all but one ward to private housing. Is it scummy that some people chose to multi-own or make their own FC to get a house? Sure. Can I blame them? No. If your ties to your own FC are holding you back from doing the same then evaluate how badly you actually need that house and maybe hop off giving other people a hard time for being able to do what you refuse.

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Playing the "end justify the means, why aren't you doing it" card isn't helpful for the overall health of the game. When bad behavior becomes normalized it spreads and eventually infects everything it touches.

We saw this in World of Warcraft. First it was the Deadly Boss Mods addon. It was basically required to raid. Then we had achievement checkers mods and raid.io checkers to require outlandish ilvl requirements etc etc etc. It never ends.

"Why don't you just download a parser that gives you call outs, everyone else is doing it."


"Why don't you just abuse the FC tag to obtain a house, everyone else is doing it"

"DPS is all that matters, screw the healers stress levels, tanks should wear STR accessories and remove a lot of health / mitigation (in HW)"

"Screw the healers, they can adjust, I'm eating this mechanic and probably dying"

I know the last two are kind of borderline (good healers CAN adjust) but it shows how the line keeps moving.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Playing the "end justify the means, why aren't you doing it" card isn't helpful for the overall health of the game. When bad behavior becomes normalized it spreads and eventually infects everything it touches.

We saw this in World of Warcraft. First it was the Deadly Boss Mods addon. It was basically required to raid. Then we had achievement checkers mods and raid.io checkers to require outlandish ilvl requirements etc etc etc. It never ends.

"Why don't you just download a parser that gives you call outs, everyone else is doing it."


"Why don't you just abuse the FC tag to obtain a house, everyone else is doing it"

"DPS is all that matters, screw the healers stress levels, tanks should wear STR accessories and remove a lot of health / mitigation (in HW)"

"Screw the healers, they can adjust, I'm eating this mechanic and probably dying"

I know the last two are kind of borderline (good healers CAN adjust) but it shows how the line keeps moving.

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The point is that there are multiple solutions.

Goblet/Empy areas.

If these fail, you can move to a different world or datacenter with more availability.

The solutions are right there, up to you to pick them or not.

If you REALLY want a house, then you will do what you need to do to get one. And this goes for everyone complaining in this thread "muh multiowners ruining my housing" as theres hundred plots available in goblet alone

I won another house!!!

3 out of 4 alts own a home now!

:)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...5702/image.png

I won, in my starting city - and favourite city's - residential ward, with no competition on Smalls around me. Waited until the last minute, and no one came. I'm content.

Once again I lost a small. I waited till 2am to bid. There were only 1s and 0s in the ward.


Bid before bed on one of the 0s. Someone decided to bid over me at the last minute and won. Apparently although no one wanted this one all week, this person wanted this single one, and every other house in the ward ended with 1 bid.


This lottery feels awful.

I still think last minute bidders ought to have some sort of lowered handicapped chance :^)

You'll hit a certain point where you stop caring about housing. Lose enough times and you'll see it ain't worth the energy

Welp lost yet another lottery...this time a med in the mist with 10 bidders(it was the lowest bidded med I checked last night before I logged out) I love losing so much :-/

Y'all wanted lottery, you got it

There's your "fair" system.

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Y'all wanted lottery, you got it

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The lottery is still infinitely better than placard camping.

The real issue is, and always has been, the overly limited and artificial scarcity of housing caused by the ward system. They really need to fix the issue properly and just add instanced personal housing into the game.

Sorry I never ask for the lottery system but did ask for instant housing that never happened. I liked how it was before first come first grabs.

Rules say 1 house and 1 FC house per account. Unless you have 3 accounts, you're breaking the rules.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Sorry I never ask for the lottery system but did ask for instant housing that never happened. I liked how it was before first come first grabs.

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First come first serve was as fair as it got tbh, but then you have people complaining "what about people with bad pcs !!!!! what about if i'm at work !!!!"

it's an endless flow of complaint and always finding an issue with every system

And to the breaking the rule comment, it's not agaisnt TOS to multiown, you people need to stop with the false information, there is NOWHERE in the TOS where it says that.

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First come first serve was as fair as it got tbh, but then you have people complaining "what about people with bad pcs !!!!! what about if i'm at work !!!!"

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Except people who broke the ToS by botting to placard camp had a clear advantage in the old system. Because yes, many people have real life obligations and can't spend countless hours staring at an empty plot constantly checking the placard too see if the timer is up yet so they can try to purchase it. Which in my opinion, was even worse losing on buying a plot because you could easily waste hours for nothing, which I unfortunately have with that system.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

it's an endless flow of complaint and always finding an issue with every system

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Because the real issue isn't so much how you acquire a plot, it's the ridiculous artificial scarcity of the current housing system that's causing all of the problems.

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And to the breaking the rule comment, it's not agaisnt TOS to multiown, you people need to stop with the false information, there is NOWHERE in the TOS where it says that.

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Yeah, not against the ToS, but you're still selfish and greedy.

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Except people who broke the ToS by botting to placard camp had a clear advantage in the old system. Because yes, many people have real life obligations and can't spend countless hours staring at an empty plot constantly checking the placard too see if the timer is up yet so they can try to purchase it. Which in my opinion, was even worse losing on buying a plot because you could easily waste hours for nothing, which I unfortunately have with that system.



Because the real issue isn't so much how you acquire a plot, it's the ridiculous artificial scarcity of the current housing system that's causing all of the problems.



Yeah, not against the ToS, but you're still selfish and greedy.

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That's not first come first serve though, FCFS is getting a house immediately which is the old system that it worked under.

Housing is scarce yes, absolutely true, and that's why the option to move to a less crowded server or datacenter exists if you REALLY want a house.

As for the last comment, I didnt say I was doing it, the person in the previous page mentioned having multiple, not me

No...this new system, while it has its faults, is ENDLESSLY better than the old system. Anyone who says otherwise never had a house in the old system, I'm convinced.

Clicking on a sign for hours only to lose to someone who came right up and bought it because they relocated and thus overwrote the timer.

Or losing it to someone who came up at just the right second.

Or how about logging on at 5AM on a patch day to try and RUN to your desired plot before anyone else got there.

The fact is, without instanced housing the lottery system is absolutely the fairest method and the only thing that would make it fairer would be something dumb like "one house per account per server".

This thread reeks of "I lost the lottery today!"

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Originally Posted by OvernightSiren

No...this new system, while it has its faults, is ENDLESSLY better than the old system. Anyone who says otherwise never had a house in the old system, I'm convinced.

Clicking on a sign for hours only to lose to someone who came right up and bought it because they relocated and thus overwrote the timer.

Or losing it to someone who came up at just the right second.

Or how about logging on at 5AM on a patch day to try and RUN to your desired plot before anyone else got there.

The fact is, without instanced housing the lottery system is absolutely the fairest method and the only thing that would make it fairer would be something dumb like "one house per account per server".

This thread reeks of "I lost the lottery today!"

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FCFS is the most fair system actually.

Walk up to plot, purchase and claim, end of story.

Oh and I did have a house under the old system, had to get one multiple times due to server transfering, and I never had issues, always went for small goblet, extremely few people, and then upgraded with instant relo.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

FCFS is the most fair system actually.

Walk up to plot, purchase and claim, end of story.

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And what about people who have lives that make them incapable of waking up at 5AM on patch day when new plots are added? They just don't get a chance at having a house?

Contrary to your own experience, some people do have IRL lives and obligations that may prohibit them from being able to dedicate all of their time to FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by OvernightSiren

And what about people who have lives that make them incapable of waking up at 5AM on patch day when new plots are added? They just don't get a chance at having a house?

Contrary to your own experience, some people do have IRL lives and obligations that may prohibit them from being able to dedicate all of their time to FFXIV.

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Exactly the problem, its never good enough for people, there's always someone that it might not work for, maybe I'll go to the bathroom when the house comes up for sale ? Oh no, anyways ! Maybe I'll be with my mom when the house comes up, or maybe at work, or maybe just out grocery shopping, does the world need to stop spinning because I'm doing something else with my life ? Does a virtual game need to be impacted by what I decide to do with my life ?