Compromise: Just Charge $5 For Now. Once 2.0 is Out, Then Charge $12

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Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee

If we were able to take FFXIV ver. 1.19a back in time and give it to SE to launch FFXIV. Would you back then feel the game was worthy of a standard sub fee?

I think it would.

So whats the difference starting a sub fee after 1.20?
We've been playing with our current content for free. Thats a big hurdle to get over I know. But it's one we have to overcome, better sooner than later.

Sorry to put it bluntly, but, pay up or get out. Your free ride has come to an end.

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No it would not, if you release the game as it is right now, a year ago, it would still fail, it would change nothing.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

It's a lot better if you stop using the "dur dur 50% game lulz" argument.

In patch 1.20, FFXIV v.1.0 will be at a launch standard, where you will be asked to pay just like any other MMO.

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I'd like to refer you to an earlier post of mine:

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Originally Posted by Belial

I'll field this one.
An incomplete battle system. Being charged with no Job system, seems premature.

However, hear me out. I feel SE shouldn't charge until 1.21. I'm perfectly fine with them charging in the near future as I find a large amount of enjoyment from this game, and I am certainly willing to pay full price. BUT... I want to experience the job system BEFORE I make a commitment to pay. My reasoning is that, the job system is to be tailored towards group content (which we can assume will include end-game content). If they charge us prior to the Job system, I believe that we will not get a true feel of what end-game will entail.

Now I know not everyone plays MMOs for end-game and that's fine. However, the majority of people play video games to beat them, take on the challenging aspects of the game (if FFXIV could be summed up in the first 10 levels we'd all be done playing already.) I think the playbase should have the opportunity to experience the job system prior to a subscription plan.

Whether or not anyone disagrees with me is a moot point, everyone has their personal reasons for supporting or combating the beginning of subscriptions (the majority of which are valid concerns from both sides of the fence). This is mine. I do not believe a lesser charge is necessary, and I don't believe subscriptions need to be held off until 2.0. I do, however, believe that charging us prior to job implementation is a bad idea.

Hell, this would only put subscriptions off for two-three months, so it's not like it would dip deep into SE's pockets.

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Originally Posted by XxOstiaxX

No it would not, if you release the game as it is right now, a year ago, it would still fail, it would change nothing.

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Both this, and the post you quoted from are opinion. It's fair enough if you don't agree, but don't try to present your opinion as fact.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

But quit asking for the fee for 1.0 to be lowered. There's no purpose for it.

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Here's the purpose:

If, say only 10,000 people pay $12.99 / month, SE gets $129,900 / month.

If, say 30,000 people would pay $6.50 / month, SE would get $195,000 / month. Yeah that's right. Lower subscription, but still more money. And hey, there's more players too. That ought to help spread the word, wouldn't you think?

These are just theoretical numbers, but it demonstrates how a lower price could bring in even more money. That's the whole point. The whole point of this entire thread.

It's not about thumbs-up, thumbs-down. I don't know why in world you keep bringing it back to that over and over. It's about making the most money possible by considering a discount. This is the purpose.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

Both this, and the post you quoted from are opinion. It's fair enough if you don't agree, but don't try to present your opinion as fact.

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It is a fact, the game is free right now is it not ?

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

Sir this is where you are wrong, No MMO is a FINISHED game, and you have not been reading the interviews plastered around, Is been said that the game, will be almost 100% (Not finish, because to YoshiP; MMOs are never finish, that is why is not 100% and never will be for him).

From there on is where you get to see where the or not to pay for full price or gtfo(from me personally, because you didnt read the whole thing and understand s**t)

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Uh actually I've read every single article out there. I think it's pretty obvious what I was implying, that the game is not in a polished state at all. I like the game and want to continue playing, but it is absolutely NOT worth 12 bucks a month when compared to a POLISHED game. Sorry you had to get so hung up on a simple word, I was hoping people were smart enough to understand implied meaning but clearly I was wrong. But hey, way to make baseless assumptions. I should have figured as much from some of the brainiacs on this forum...

And if you'd like me to point out WHY the game isn't in a polished state, here goes:

The UI is still somewhat laggy. Commands are not always instant, it is not customizable in the slightest, I can only have 1 action bar visible, and playing on a keyboard with the UI is insanely cumbersome.

There is INSANE lag in Uldah if you try to change gear or want to talk to an NPC. It takes them almost a full minute to load for me sometimes (I'm running an I-7 OC'd comp, 8gb RAM, 2gb ATI 5870 graphics card... my comp isn't the issue).
There is also still lag when swapping stuff to a retainer or buying/selling.

The graphics are clearly not optimized. There is still screen tearing during movement, and the game still bogs down occasionally at 30 or 60 fps.

The job system still has YET to be implemented.

Occasionally starting a leve will just crash the game. Has happened to me 3-4x recently, and others I know as well.

There are a TOTAL of 3 dungeons and 2 endgame activities... after a year. Compare to any other game on the market.

There is no functional party search feature, and no good LS utilities.

The targeting, while improved, is still insanely annoying at times and VERY hard to work with on a PC.

The sidequests, while nice, are still far too few and all of them are basically kill X amount of Y or fetch quests.

Really, I could keep going but I won't. Even with ALL THESE PROBLEMS, I still enjoy the game. However, I'm not naive enough to think this game is worth a full price monthly fee. I would certainly pay half price for it, as that is where I see the game... about halfway there. I don't expect a free ride and I'm glad SE is starting to charge... but charging full price is something I'm not willing to do, and I think a lot of other people won't be either.

There's your reasoning. Yes I know some of this will be fixed in 1.20, but most of it will not.

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Originally Posted by Bartel

And if you'd like me to point out WHY the game isn't in a polished state, here goes:

The UI is still somewhat laggy. Commands are not always instant, it is not customizable in the slightest, I can only have 1 action bar visible, and playing on a keyboard with the UI is insanely cumbersome.

There is INSANE lag in Uldah if you try to change gear or want to talk to an NPC. It takes them almost a full minute to load for me sometimes (I'm running an I-7 OC'd comp, 8gb RAM, 2gb ATI 5870 graphics card... my comp isn't the issue).
There is also still lag when swapping stuff to a retainer or buying/selling.

The graphics are clearly not optimized. There is still screen tearing during movement, and the game still bogs down occasionally at 30 or 60 fps.

The job system still has YET to be implemented.

Occasionally starting a leve will just crash the game. Has happened to me 3-4x recently, and others I know as well.

There are a TOTAL of 3 dungeons and 2 endgame activities... after a year. Compare to any other game on the market.

There is no functional party search feature, and no good LS utilities.

The targeting, while improved, is still insanely annoying at times and VERY hard to work with on a PC.

The sidequests, while nice, are still far too few and all of them are basically kill X amount of Y or fetch quests.

Really, I could keep going but I won't. Even with ALL THESE PROBLEMS, I still enjoy the game. However, I'm not naive enough to think this game is worth a full price monthly fee. I would certainly pay half price for it, as that is where I see the game... about halfway there. I don't expect a free ride and I'm glad SE is starting to charge... but charging full price is something I'm not willing to do, and I think a lot of other people won't be either.

There's your reasoning. Yes I know some of this will be fixed in 1.20, but most of it will not.

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Using your "AFTER A YEAR" argument is invalid when you're asked if you'd pay for the game in its current state if it'd been released as it is now. If that were the case, you'd not KNOW there will be jobs, you'd NOT be 50 in a day to get to do the total of TWO endgame activities. You'd have to wait. And, this, good sir, is the point. They're RELEASING the game now, in a way. If new players come in after 1.20, they'll have plenty to do and keep them busy until 1.21, when we do get jobs. And so on and so on.

I'm not trying to convince anyone, but this is just... infuriating... reading people QQ about things that have been addressed so many times.

Don't want to pay? Nobody's holding a gun to your head! Go ahead and leave!

I'm gladly paying. I've taken my time with this game and I'm thoroughly enjoying it. I don't look at this as an investment, I don't bust out business models to decide. I ask myself: Am I having fun? The answer is simple: Yep.

Case closed.

PS: Your argument needs more cowbell.

http://boourns.cjb.net/pics/87305d12...ad-cowbell.gif

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Originally Posted by Bartel

Occasionally starting a leve will just crash the game. Has happened to me 3-4x recently, and others I know as well.

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I can personally confirm this bug. For every set of 3 leves at any camp, I "expect" at least one of the them to crash either: at the beginning or almost at the end (just before killing the last enemy); funny thing, it never crash in the middle of the leve, and which one will crash?, it's random: could be the first, second or third; but there is always a 50% chance one of them will crash my game (and of course, forfeit the leve).

And yes, there are many others players that suffered the same bug.

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Originally Posted by Answa

I'm not trying to convince anyone, but this is just... infuriating... reading people QQ about things that have been addressed so many times.

Don't want to pay? Nobody's holding a gun to your head! Go ahead and leave!

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And who is holding the gun to your head making you stay in here arguing with people like a pre-pubescent teen in an angst-filled fit?

Seriously, instead of touting on your high horse in a thread where people want to express their discontent, why don't you leave the thread and leave everyone else to their vices? The ToS does not state you have to sit on the forums and argue with people you disagree with.

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My cowbell is greater than your cowbell.

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Originally Posted by Answa

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Wow, you made a poor counter argument based off your opinions of what new players will do. Clearly that means the thread is over!

...Sorry, I should probably clarify that as sarcasm before you go touting yourself as the champion of the forums.

There's a common mental deficiency with rabid fan-boys. I'ts not their fault, just lacking a chromosome or something.

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

Here's the purpose:

If, say only 10,000 people pay $12.99 / month, SE gets $129,900 / month.

If, say 30,000 people would pay $6.50 / month, SE would get $195,000 / month. Yeah that's right. Lower subscription, but still more money. And hey, there's more players too. That ought to help spread the word, wouldn't you think?

These are just theoretical numbers, but it demonstrates how a lower price could bring in even more money. That's the whole point. The whole point of this entire thread.

It's not about thumbs-up, thumbs-down. I don't know why in world you keep bringing it back to that over and over. It's about making the most money possible by considering a discount. This is the purpose.

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Originally Posted by Bartel

And if you'd like me to point out WHY the game isn't in a polished state, here goes:

The UI is still somewhat laggy. Commands are not always instant, it is not customizable in the slightest, I can only have 1 action bar visible, and playing on a keyboard with the UI is insanely cumbersome.

There is INSANE lag in Uldah if you try to change gear or want to talk to an NPC. It takes them almost a full minute to load for me sometimes (I'm running an I-7 OC'd comp, 8gb RAM, 2gb ATI 5870 graphics card... my comp isn't the issue).
There is also still lag when swapping stuff to a retainer or buying/selling.

The graphics are clearly not optimized. There is still screen tearing during movement, and the game still bogs down occasionally at 30 or 60 fps.

The job system still has YET to be implemented.

Occasionally starting a leve will just crash the game. Has happened to me 3-4x recently, and others I know as well.

There are a TOTAL of 3 dungeons and 2 endgame activities... after a year. Compare to any other game on the market.

There is no functional party search feature, and no good LS utilities.

The targeting, while improved, is still insanely annoying at times and VERY hard to work with on a PC.

The sidequests, while nice, are still far too few and all of them are basically kill X amount of Y or fetch quests.

Really, I could keep going but I won't. Even with ALL THESE PROBLEMS, I still enjoy the game. However, I'm not naive enough to think this game is worth a full price monthly fee. I would certainly pay half price for it, as that is where I see the game... about halfway there. I don't expect a free ride and I'm glad SE is starting to charge... but charging full price is something I'm not willing to do, and I think a lot of other people won't be either.

There's your reasoning. Yes I know some of this will be fixed in 1.20, but most of it will not.

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@amy: thats exactly what this was about and it is very valid for many reasons....which is stated by Bartel here, and that just some of the many problems. Have you ever heard of an MMO that CAN NOT do a mail system because the coding is so bad? i sure havent. Its just lists of issues why plenty of people can not justify paying full price for it now, when they know in 1 year 99% of the issues will be gone/fixed.

As for the pay or gtfo bit, well if your desprate for the populations to drop to almost nothing and for as little money as possible to get to SE, then keep saying this, because very likely its what will result from it.

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Originally Posted by Belial

And who is holding the gun to your head making you stay in here arguing with people like a pre-pubescent teen in an angst-filled fit?

Seriously, instead of touting on your high horse in a thread where people want to express their discontent, why don't you leave the thread and leave everyone else to their vices? The ToS does not state you have to sit on the forums and argue with people you disagree with.

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My cowbell is greater than your cowbell.

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Fun part is that everything everyone's said has been repeated. so the opinions have decidedly become a bandwagon. And did you read the first paragraph at all? Why did you decide to answer to the humorous part and not the one that actually makes sense? Because everyone likes to gnash their teeth rather than debate.

Pre-pubescent teen... meh. Go ahead with your totally wrong judgments.

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Wow, you made a poor counter argument based off your opinions of what new players will do. Clearly that means the thread is over!

...Sorry, I should probably clarify that as sarcasm before you go touting yourself as the champion of the forums.

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The thread isn't over because of my post. The thread has been for the past 40 pages. Everything both sides are saying is just an echo of posts past.

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Originally Posted by Answa

The thread isn't over because of my post. The thread has been over the past 40 posts. Everything both sides are saying is just an echo of posts past.

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Sorry buddy, last I checked you don't decide when a thread is over. Several people asked for a list of why the game is only 50% done, I provided a list. Heck, I didn't even throw in things like lack of an AH, mail system, housing, the ability to trade more than 4 items, copy pasta maps, etc...

The bottom line is, I love the direction this game is heading and the potential it has is crazy high. However, I'm not going to spend my money on potential. If you want to, great. But don't try and tell me I'm wrong for thinking its silly to pay full price for a half finished game.

Round and round we go :)

Here's to another 42 pages of derp :P

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Originally Posted by Bartel

Sorry buddy, last I checked you don't decide when a thread is over. Several people asked for a list of why the game is only 50% done, I provided a list. Heck, I didn't even throw in things like lack of an AH, mail system, housing, the ability to trade more than 4 items, copy pasta maps, etc...

The bottom line is, I love the direction this game is heading and the potential it has is crazy high. However, I'm not going to spend my money on potential. If you want to, great. But don't try and tell me I'm wrong for thinking its silly to pay full price for a half finished game.

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Could you please, please, please stop making me sound like a pretentious douche that decides things for other people? I'm not. I'm not trying to convince you to pay. I'm not telling you to stop posting. All I'm saying is that everything that can be said has been said and that further posting is pointless. No side will convince the other.

The one thing I'd like to take the time to say now is, JD: Pot. Kettle. Black.

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Originally Posted by Answa

JD: Pot. Kettle. Black.

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Originally Posted by Answa

pretentious douche

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

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C'mon now, that's not nice. Debate the subject properly.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

C'mon now, that's not nice. Debate the subject properly.

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please do debate properly. Renta seems prety mature.

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Originally Posted by Answa

Could you please, please, please stop making me sound like a pretentious douche that decides things for other people? I'm not. I'm not trying to convince you to pay. I'm not telling you to stop posting. All I'm saying is that everything that can be said has been said and that further posting is pointless. No side will convince the other.

The one thing I'd like to take the time to say now is, JD: Pot. Kettle. Black.

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You wrote /thread as if your opinion is fact. You made yourself sound like a pretentious douche, I only enhanced that sentiment because, well, if the shoe fits... >.> Anyways, you're correct about no side convincing the other.... but that's what happens on forums. People argue. And on that note, I'm out. Have a good evening everyone!

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

Strange indeeeed.



Another troll just made it into my ignore list. Come one guys it's a party in there!

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Wait a second, there's an ignore list function now? Where?!

A consideration for those who do not want to pay 14 a week, there is a solution to get the game at half price: consider the roadmap where a patch is due every two months; whilst waiting for 2.0 you could simply pay for one month and then cancel straight away. This will allow you to play the new content and do all those 100 leves you gathered for the month you were off as well as allowing you to see the game change gradually.

As it seams that most people do not currently like the game in its current state but some say they would pay half price, why not just pay half the time?

I really have to assume that this animosity towards a discount is due to a select group taking the request personally.

It's as though, because they are willing to pay full price, they take requests for a discounts as an attack against their self-esteem. It's as though we were questioning their intended purchase as being a bad deal. And as a result, they lash out against the perceived threat with insults and derision.

So, it doesn't matter how much we've sanitized the argument down to being about the benefits and how it could be more profitable. We're not even dealing with people who are interested in the argument at all. We're up against those who perceive an insult against their beloved brand, and they're taking it way too personally.

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

I really have to assume that this animosity towards a discount is due to a select group taking the request personally.

It's as though, because they are willing to pay full price, they take requests for a discounts as an attack against their self-esteem. It's as though we were questioning their intended purchase as being a bad deal. And as a result, they lash out against the perceived threat with insults and derision.

So, it doesn't matter how much we've sanitized the argument down to being about the benefits and how it could be more profitable. We're not even dealing with people who are interested in the argument at all. We're up against those who perceive an insult against their beloved brand, and they're taking it way too personally.

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Translation: my argument isn't working so I'll use personal attacks instead because that will make me seem more right.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Translation: my argument isn't working so I'll use personal attacks instead because that will make me seem more right.

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Yes, that's just what you're doing, only you didn't have an argument to make in the first place. You've never contributed anything to the actual thread topic except to insult anyone who doesn't want to pay full price like you do.

Objectively, if charging less brings in more revenue, you should support it, because it supports SE to a greater extent. Instead you want to make this about how your own personal ego is wounded by the thought that people don't want to pay as much as you. Get over yourself and take a look at the issue from the perspective of the greater good.

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

Yes, that's just what you're doing, only you didn't have an argument to make in the first place. You've never contributed anything to the actual thread topic except to insult anyone who doesn't want to pay full price like you do.

Objectively, if charging less brings in more revenue, you should support it, because it supports SE to a greater extent. Instead you want to make this about how your own personal ego is wounded by the thought that people don't want to pay as much as you. Get over yourself and take a look at the issue from the perspective of the greater good.

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You haven't proved that what you said would happen. You fail to point out those those that would go to a new game. Your assumptions about the rest of the player base, to say nothing about the finances of the company, have no merit.

Also, making it priced at 5$ would cause another PR disaster. If I can come with ways to insult the idea, how do you the internet reviewer, who partially relies on entertaining shows, will do it?


So you, and your select group of sycophants (see, I can do it too) claim that this is about hurt feelings and the "mass exodus" of "the one true group of fans" who like the game...at sufficient monetary value so their opinions should matter more than others.

All that has been said of this topic has been said, the rest is you puffing your cheeks to look bigger than you are.

Feel free to check back though, as you drop lots more money to coast through years old content and half a screen's worth of competitive UI calculations for fear of a teenager's declarations that "You suck, gtfo!" till 3 in the morning.

I have my own things to enjoy.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

You haven't proved that what you said would happen. You fail to point out those those that would go to a new game. Your assumptions about the rest of the player base, to say nothing about the finances of the company, have no merit.

Also, making it priced at 5$ would cause another PR disaster. If I can come with ways to insult the idea, how do you the internet reviewer, who partially relies on entertaining shows, will do it?


So you, and your select group of sycophants (see, I can do it too) claim that this is about hurt feelings and the "mass exodus" of "the one true group of fans" who like the game...at sufficient monetary value so their opinions should matter more than others.

All that has been said of this topic has been said, the rest is you puffing your cheeks to look bigger than you are.

Feel free to check back though, as you drop lots more money to coast through years old content and half a screen's worth of competitive UI calculations for fear of a teenager's declarations that "You suck, gtfo!" till 3 in the morning.

I have my own things to enjoy.

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you do realize they wont review it until the ps3 version (or 2.0) so them charging less now would actually sound like some good press tbh.

I'm one of the people who are willing to pay the full price, but it certainly feels more RIGHT to charge us only 50%.
6,50€ instead of 13€ is making sense, after all the game is just at 50% regular MMORPG standard.
They could also make it like..optional to pay the full price? So to play the game, you have to pay 50%, but if you think the game is worth it, you have the option to pay the full price.

But since my LS will be staying anyways, I don't really care which amount we have to pay in the end.

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

I really have to assume that this animosity towards a discount is due to a select group taking the request personally.

It's as though, because they are willing to pay full price, they take requests for a discounts as an attack against their self-esteem. It's as though we were questioning their intended purchase as being a bad deal. And as a result, they lash out against the perceived threat with insults and derision.

So, it doesn't matter how much we've sanitized the argument down to being about the benefits and how it could be more profitable. We're not even dealing with people who are interested in the argument at all. We're up against those who perceive an insult against their beloved brand, and they're taking it way too personally.

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nice nice you basicly sayed it right there. nothing the op sayed would change their gameplay or realy has anything to do with them. they just here to troll and get peeps arguing. the game is so much fun to them they cant stay out of the forums.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Translation: my argument isn't working so I'll use personal attacks instead because that will make me seem more right.

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baaaaaahhh baaahhhh.

translation for every1 else. you have no argument your just a bad troll. you argu over somthing that would not effect you in 1 way what so ever besides givving you more peeps to play the game with. you hurt yourself being so blind and ignorant. people like you need to stay off the forums or deserve to get trolled.

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Originally Posted by Zanfire

you do realize they wont review it until the ps3 version (or 2.0) so them charging less now would actually sound like some good press tbh.

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On the contrary, they seem to be "reviewing" every update. If only to justify their condemnations to their fans.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

You haven't proved that what you said would happen. You fail to point out those those that would go to a new game. Your assumptions about the rest of the player base, to say nothing about the finances of the company, have no merit.

Also, making it priced at 5$ would cause another PR disaster. If I can come with ways to insult the idea, how do you the internet reviewer, who partially relies on entertaining shows, will do it?


So you, and your select group of sycophants (see, I can do it too) claim that this is about hurt feelings and the "mass exodus" of "the one true group of fans" who like the game...at sufficient monetary value so their opinions should matter more than others.

All that has been said of this topic has been said, the rest is you puffing your cheeks to look bigger than you are.

Feel free to check back though, as you drop lots more money to coast through years old content and half a screen's worth of competitive UI calculations for fear of a teenager's declarations that "You suck, gtfo!" till 3 in the morning.

I have my own things to enjoy.

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the point was proven when the game floped. but u ignore the fact that your lil fanboy group is only 1s still playing and most of the realistic players are gone. they have spoken. the game reviews speek louder than anything a troll like you and wyne can say.

as for SE finnases they are doing just fine they did fine for 5 years making it. and they screwed up not us. they need to fix it b4 they try to feed us unfinished crap again. 1/4th of the loser who was GD, would pay 5 times the amount they will get for charging subs this early. this is gona hurt the game, comunitee, get more bad reviews, and also make you lose some peeps on your already low pop server.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

You haven't proved that what you said would happen. You fail to point out those those that would go to a new game. Your assumptions about the rest of the player base, to say nothing about the finances of the company, have no merit.

Also, making it priced at 5$ would cause another PR disaster. If I can come with ways to insult the idea, how do you the internet reviewer, who partially relies on entertaining shows, will do it?

So you, and your select group of sycophants (see, I can do it too) claim that this is about hurt feelings and the "mass exodus" of "the one true group of fans" who like the game...at sufficient monetary value so their opinions should matter more than others.

All that has been said of this topic has been said, the rest is you puffing your cheeks to look bigger than you are.

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If it's all been said, why are you still here? Hoping to be surprised?

This is based on a poll performed by BlueGartr that showed SE could possibly generate more revenue by lowering the price than if they charged full price. It doesn't absolutely prove that it would work out that way, but it's encouraging enough that it ought to be looked at more seriously.

BlueGartr aren't just another ragtag group. These guys are the hardcore of the hardcore FFXI players. Many of those free mods and parsers you so enjoyed back then were made by these guys. If they're not the "true fans" of the series, then who the hell are you?

As for bad PR for offering a lower price, isn't bad PR to charge full price for a game that isn't good enough to sell as the PS3 version, and must be completely replaced? VGChartz is declaring FFXIV dead over the idea.

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Originally Posted by stoned

the point was proven when the game floped. but u ignore the fact that your lil fanboy group is only 1s still playing and most of the realistic players are gone. they have spoken. the game reviews speek louder than anything a troll like you and wyne can say.

as for SE finnases they are doing just fine they did fine for 5 years making it. and they screwed up not us. they need to fix it b4 they try to feed us unfinished crap again. 1/4th of the loser who was GD, would pay 5 times the amount they will get for charging subs this early. this is gona hurt the game, comunitee, get more bad reviews, and also make you lose some peeps on your already low pop server.

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If its not about the finances, (already not profiting,company not in peril, planned for 2.0)
And not about the PR (already bad, and planned for 2.0)
And not about the user base (already not high enough for profitability, when it is free)

Then why lower the price?

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

I really have to assume that this animosity towards a discount is due to a select group taking the request personally.

It's as though, because they are willing to pay full price, they take requests for a discounts as an attack against their self-esteem. It's as though we were questioning their intended purchase as being a bad deal. And as a result, they lash out against the perceived threat with insults and derision.

So, it doesn't matter how much we've sanitized the argument down to being about the benefits and how it could be more profitable. We're not even dealing with people who are interested in the argument at all. We're up against those who perceive an insult against their beloved brand, and they're taking it way too personally.

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Yep, thanks for this.

This just in, business are trying to make a profit, more at 11.

I wonder just how many people are sitting here laughing so hard at the pure absurdity of certain branches of coversation going on in this thread. And I see JackDaniels to be exposing his 'more words no action' motto over this thread as well.

Ignoring the economic side of things, it really is a matter of personal mentality. Some are of the opinion that version 2.0 is 50% complete, whereas the current version is near to acceptable launch level, as I also believe. We believe that, short of a few things which hinder our enjoyment which won't be fixed until 2.0, that the current game is playable for the full cost, as we mentally envision this game to not have any correlation with the next version in playable immersion. We enjoy what is being offered as a wholely game in itself, without thinking of the effect with the next version. Put into exaggeration, we believe the version 2.0 to be a completely new game to start off with, while the current game is whole to itself.

We then have the other group, which believe that we should pay only half or a compromised price for a game they feel is unfinished or not to the standard they expect. Different opinions are everywhere; what may seem better may be unpolished in another's eyes. (I believe Belial and Sierra made a point about this.) They also believe that with the advancement of the next version, what we do now is -kind of- obsolete and thus should not deserve the full price. In exaggeration, they believe the current game and the new vesion to be the same, with the latter being the true beginning of the game.

These are just the extremes; there exist many of you who will sit in the gray area between the two. I'm partially like that, though as I said, I swing more to the former group.

So which group is correct? Both of them, and none of them. It depends on how well you justify your mentality. Renta's done a pretty good job; some others also have. Others, however, have yet form their own cohesive ideal; others have chosen to express pure negativity or positivity, others yet again join in bandwagons without proof of why and how they came to that particular aspect. I would advice those of you to do so and just think and justify why you came to your conclusion. Inappropriate responses will be, for example, nearly all of JackDaniels' posts for the past twenty pages, as well as stoned's purely negative, insulting, harsh and cutting mutterings which provide no substantial feedback and information whatsoever. Think on what it is you try to say, envision your mentality, justify it, accept that others will have differing opinions, and learn to compromise.

From a thought process perspective, that's my opinion in a nutshell.

For the economic side of things, I leave it to you adults who have more experience regarding businesses and finance than a teenager like me. :D

Personally, I'm glad that some people are willing to pay full price now because it means the game isn't completely going to die in the short term. What I don't understand is the hostility towards players who aren't ready to pay full price for a game that's half finished. I also don't understand how people are trying to justify full price by saying that the game is "the current version is near to acceptable launch level" when it is ABUNDANTLY clear that this is not true. Take a look at the list of things I posted. That's not even close to a full list of the issues currently surrounding the game. If you can honestly tell me this game is at a point where they could successfully re-launch it now then you are friggin nuttier than my grandma's pecan pie.

Why do you think they ARE rebuilding much of the game for 2.0? Because it's not up to MMO standards. They are on the right path, but they've got a long ways to go.

I do like the idea that one of the posters said though about paying for 1 month after a patch and then just cancelling. If they don't go half price this is a possibility... unfortunately at that point I will have probably subb'd to Star Wars and not want to be playing 2 P2P's simultaneously, but you never know.

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

Ignoring the economic side of things, it really is a matter of personal mentality. Some are of the opinion that version 2.0 is 50% complete, whereas the current version is near to acceptable launch level, as I also believe. We believe that, short of a few things which hinder our enjoyment which won't be fixed until 2.0, that the current game is playable for the full cost, as we mentally envision this game to not have any correlation with the next version in playable immersion. We enjoy what is being offered as a wholely game in itself, without thinking of the effect with the next version. Put into exaggeration, we believe the version 2.0 to be a completely new game to start off with, while the current game is whole to itself.

We then have the other group, which believe that we should pay only half or a compromised price for a game they feel is unfinished or not to the standard they expect. Different opinions are everywhere; what may seem better may be unpolished in another's eyes. (I believe Belial and Sierra made a point about this.) They also believe that with the advancement of the next version, what we do now is -kind of- obsolete and thus should not deserve the full price. In exaggeration, they believe the current game and the new vesion to be the same, with the latter being the true beginning of the game.

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What I'm trying to get through here, is that the first group is well-served no matter the price of the game. It's not as though they would choose not to play if they had to pay less for the service.

The second group may represent a substantial number of players who won't pay full price, but who would pay a lower price. The reasons for this may vary greatly, but they generally revolve around the current state of the game, and the feeling it's not ready for prime time. If a lower price can generate more income by retaining a lot more people than what you would get by charging full price, the first group suffers no ill effects. On the contrary, they will benefit in the savings and participate in more active servers as a result.

It therefore seems illogical that the first group would want to fight the notion of the second group since they are not harmed in any way, no matter the results of the inquiry.