Dedicated Thread for Patch 2.55 Story Discussion/Spoilers

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Originally Posted by Wildsprite

I get this feeling Elidibus is a double agent and is on our side..

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Same here, it's a game-changer for them since we killed an Ascian, too.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Well saw most of what happened miles away but meh it is to be expect.

Though the part that got me the most and what I did not expect was the Urianger moment. What the seven heck is going on with Urianger's side of the story!

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Well I can tell you this much, and this is my theory.

Urianger is P***Ywhipped and ever since moenwhatever died, he couldn't handle it and became vulnerable so that the ascians can manipulate him, that's why they're targeting him.
(Probably using a "we can bring her back" plot device, I hate plot device characters...)
It's no different than when Thancred overexerted himself and started beating himself up about being useless that caused him to be possessed.

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Originally Posted by AnnaMolly

Same here, it's a game-changer for them since we killed an Ascian, too.

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to me Elidibus didn't seem all that surprised or humbled. one would think knowing that we now have the knowledge to actually kill them would put fear into him but it doesn't seem to.

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Originally Posted by KodiHivaer

Well I can tell you this much, and this is my theory.

Urianger is P***Ywhipped and ever since moenwhatever died, he couldn't handle it and became vulnerable so that the ascians can manipulate him, that's why they're targeting him.
(Probably using a "we can bring her back" plot device, I hate plot device characters...)
It's no different than when Thancred overexerted himself and started beating himself up about being useless that caused him to be possessed.

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while this is the obvious thing I don't think that is what happened. see I think Elidibus has been in contact with Urianger since around the first time we saw him and has been planting clues to help us. but again it's all theory and we will have to wait and see

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Originally Posted by Wildsprite

to me he didn't seem all that surprised or humbled.

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Well, you have a point, but I don't see an Ascian begging for his life. Besides, while it CAN be done, killing them isn't exactly easy.

Urianger and Elidibus are both pretty odd. It is a proven fact that with Minfilia, Elidibus and Tataru in the same room, Ttaaru was oblivious to Elidibus's present. Wether his invisibility is tied to the echo is unknown. But he does seem to know a lot about the Echo. It is blatantly obvious that Elidibus and Lahabrea have different plans. Hell even Lahabrea, Elidibus and Nabriales have 3 different plans. Still, I think Elidibus being a good guy is pushing it too far. Of course many twists used by SE were obvious but the only white robed guy in a cult of black robed guys(by the by: where are the ascian chicks?!) being secretly good is frankly childish. He is not as antagonistic as the others but I have no illusions regarding his evilness.

On a different note. I updated my in character blog with the events of patch 2.55. I mixed in the postmoogle quests, a recent Odin sighting on Phoenix and my own personal vampire hunter RP story to the main scenario, but I tried my best to remain fatefull to the original plot and give an account that makes sense of the player's passivity.
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest.../8455265/blog/

the last 7 entries detail the 2.55 storyline.

Heavensward conjecture, current MS spoiler

Nanamo isn't dead. No way. Lolorito is really a nice guy, and worked in secret with Nanamo to stage her death. Throne abdication successful. Some minor collateral damage though. Please look forward to her future return!!

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Originally Posted by LystAP

Momodi betrayed us!

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...or, she had her suspicions that stuff was about to go down, knows her own personal reputation in Ul'dah is sterling and knows that she could very well defend us/explain under no uncertain terms to folk if asked 'the vial was empty before the the WoL even entered the Sultana's chambers/was found outside the city' as we told Momodi (if I remember correctly) what we had just experienced. Momodi likely knew events were about to happen she couldn't stop....but she CAN/likely will use her reputation and influence to set what she can right.

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Originally Posted by AnnaMolly

Well, you have a point, but I don't see an Ascian begging for his life. Besides, while it CAN be done, killing them isn't exactly easy.

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From the first time I saw Elidibus, he gave off the aura of a manipulator, having no love for his fellow Ascians, and even does things behind their backs. He could very well be manipulating everything and be the true final boss of FFXIV, simply moving everything to a conclusion he wants.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Still, I think Elidibus being a good guy is pushing it too far.

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well him helping us to manipulate his own agenda into action wouldn't make him a good guy and this is one of the many possibilities.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

From the first time I saw Elidibus, he gave off the aura of a manipulator, having no love for his fellow Ascians, and even does things behind their backs. He could very well be manipulating everything and be the true final boss of FFXIV, simply moving everything to a conclusion he wants.

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I could see him being A boss but not likely the final boss. and him keeping in contact with Uriangier to help manipulate things in his favour and also make his fellow Ascians fall in the process would definitely fall into this.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

From the first time I saw Elidibus, he gave off the aura of a manipulator, having no love for his fellow Ascians, and even does things behind their backs. He could very well be manipulating everything and be the true final boss of FFXIV, simply moving everything to a conclusion he wants.

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I kinda get that feeling about Lahabrea. I don't think Elidibus truly cares for the Scions and I don't think he is a "good guy" but I don't think he cares for the Ascians either and is willing to let the Scions do as they please, possibly giving them information. On the other hand, I see Lahabrea as a bad guy who, while he doesn't care much for the other Ascians, he doesn't care much for the Scions either and would probably be happy to be rid of both the Scions and any Ascian who stands against him. I think he basically wants to resurrect Zodiark and be his second-in-command or something. I don't think Elidibus gives a rip about Zodiark.

To be honest, I kinda wish we could get Ascian robes. Like the standard black robes for BLM/SMN and the white robes for WHM/SCH/AST.

EDIT: Here's a thought; Ascians believed they were immortal, meaning that Ascians probably couldn't kill Ascians. Maybe Elidibus wants the other Ascians dead.

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Originally Posted by Wildsprite

well him helping us to manipulate his own agenda into action wouldn't make him a good guy and this is one of the many possibilities.


I could see him being A boss but not likely the final boss. and him keeping in contact with Uriangier to help manipulate things in his favour and also make his fellow Ascians fall in the process would definitely fall into this.

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Elidibus will be the final boss. However there will be two main phases:

Phase 1) We fight Elidibus as we see him now.
Phase 2) We fight Elidibus who is now fused with Zodiark (he basically turns into some crazy monster deity) which requires Hydaelyn to step in and help.

Its all very classic JRPG and FF.

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

Elidibus will be the final boss. However there will be two main phases:

Phase 1) We fight Elidibus as we see him now.
Phase 2) We fight Elidibus who is now fused with Zodiark (he basically turns into some crazy monster deity) which requires Hydaelyn to step in and help.

Its all very classic JRPG and FF.

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Well, he IS the one who summons Zodiark in Tactics

Well, as awesome as this story was. There's a lot of story to guess as we head into Ishgard.

My guess is we'll fight Lahabrea some point near the end of 3.0, killing him like we did Nabriales. And as for Eldibus, that's probably not going to happen till the end of 3.xx's story.

I don't think we will see the end of the Ascians in 3.xx. Assuming we are going North (Ishgard) and North West (Sharlayan) we still have the Ala Mhigo front to explore, the Ascians are very deeply tied to the Eorzean land, so if we don't end up traversing the North East I don't think we will kill all the Ascians. That being said I bet we will see additional Ascians come and go just like Nabriales. And come next expansion (assuming again we don't visit the North East) we will finish them all off in the 4.xx series as well as completely uncover the areas of Eorzea.

Then in 5.xx we go to a new continent.

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

Elidibus will be the final boss. However there will be two main phases:

Phase 1) We fight Elidibus as we see him now.
Phase 2) We fight Elidibus who is now fused with Zodiark (he basically turns into some crazy monster deity) which requires Hydaelyn to step in and help.

Its all very classic JRPG and FF.

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Don't be sillly, Hydaelyn will be unable to do anything during Phase 2. Instead we'll be chipping away at the boss while a Circle of Friendship combined with Clap Your Hands If You Believe moment will be happening with text popups of people we've met on our journey will say something, either healing us or destroying part of the boss's magical defenses. The entire thing will end with us gathering all the beliefs and power, and we will become a temporary Elder Primal in a final cutscene, where we cut him down for good.

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

I don't think we will see the end of the Ascians in 3.xx. Assuming we are going North (Ishgard) and North West (Sharlayan) we still have the Ala Mhigo front to explore, the Ascians are very deeply tied to the Eorzean land, so if we don't end up traversing the North East I don't think we will kill all the Ascians. That being said I bet we will see additional Ascians come and go just like Nabriales. And come next expansion (assuming again we don't visit the North East) we will finish them all off in the 4.xx series as well as completely uncover the areas of Eorzea.

Then in 5.xx we go to a new continent.

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Well I'd say the Ascians are more or less tied to the past of the whole planet, not just Eorzea. I think the only storyline when we'll be free of their machinations is going to be when we fly to the moon. Yoshida did mention once that he'd like to do it. I'm also sure we will get more Ascians. After all 1.0 only had Travanchet and a few grim reaper like Ascians. These new, masked types debuted in ARR, so that's 3 new Ascians. I don't have any of the cutscenes at hand to prove it, but FF wiki has the names of four more Ascians, one of which might very well be female. Meaning, we have a lot more of them to kill than just Lahabrea and Elidibus.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Well I'd say the Ascians are more or less tied to the past of the whole planet, not just Eorzea. I think the only storyline when we'll be free of their machinations is going to be when we fly to the moon. Yoshida did mention once that he'd like to do it. I'm also sure we will get more Ascians. After all 1.0 only had Travanchet and a few grim reaper like Ascians. These new, masked types debuted in ARR, so that's 3 new Ascians. I don't have any of the cutscenes at hand to prove it, but FF wiki has the names of four more Ascians, one of which might very well be female. Meaning, we have a lot more of them to kill than just Lahabrea and Elidibus.

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There are actually 13 (if you include the Emissary) Ascians. They correspond to the Scions of Light from the Ivalice lore, each having dealt with a Scion of Darkness (the beasts). The glyphs on each of the Ascians faces are even a portion of the gylph you see when you find a new summon in FFXII . That being said SE has already stated that Ivalice is its own world, which is fair in its own right but that doesn't mean that the worlds cannot draw similarities. There is a thread in the lore section that talks about this in more detail and you can find it here: LINK.

Elidibus (Emissary) - Zodiark
Lahabrea - Mateus
Pashtarot - Zeromus
Igeyorhm - Shemhazai
Altima - Ultima
Emmerololth - Famfrit
Nabriales - Cúchulainn

Likely Members
Loghrif - Belias (He is seen in the SMN Quest line, although they do not name him, his glyph matches Belias and he gives the Dark Summoner the power to summon Belias-egi)
Mitron - Chaos
Emet-Selch - Zalera
Fandaniel - Hashmal
Halmarut - Exodus
Deudalaphon - Adrammelech

I'm grasping at straws here but... some things just don't add up for me how everything went down.

I'm very suspicious of the Sultana's death. She confided in the Warrior of Light as if she KNEW she was about to disappear off the face of the earth. "I need you to take care of Raubahn." Why wouldn't she be able to help support him, if she was going to be there herself? I'm thinking that she was scheming behind the scenes herself, out maneuvering the monetarists. I would not be shocked if she pulled a Princess Ashe and is hiding behind the scenes to come back and take out the revealed traitors. I doubt this, but still wonder, if there was a bit of Sylph "skin-changing" magic going on. We've seen that the Sylphs can turn into humans in a few quests - it is unlikely but I'm wondering if everyone who was in the palace was actually themselves. We had a few quests in Ul'Dah which featured this magic.

I'm also really curious if they're going to use the primal, Phoenix as part of the main story. The dev. team are trying to get more players into the Coil, and the cut scene featuring Phoenix was pretty elaborate for only a handful of people to see. They may be hoping more people know about it in order to draw some conclusions about what is happening in the main story. Alisaie being out of the coil and in the Waking Sands with Urianger - who was in contact with Tataru - makes me wonder if some info was passed between them and the primal summoned to assist the Scions / Sultana. Or maybe its just wishful thinking on my part. I just don't want them all to be dead.

Something dawned on me doing story DR today.

Ilberd and Gaius Van Baelsar hold their swords in exactly the same way. Did SE recycle animations or is this going to come up as part of all this later?

Actually decided to look into it further, and they have the same voice actor. Looking at other footage on youtube Gaius seems to be of highlander build when compared to midlanders like Yda and Thancred. The hand sliding down the blade to throw an energy wave attack is the exact stance Gaius stands in before being engaged in Praetorium. I'm starting to think Gaius' dream of Eorzean conquest didn't end in the inferno that consumed Ultima.

all I have is spoiler soooo

I know a lot of people are worried about the scions, this can help just a little. http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...b4803af218.pngIt's not set into stone as to what happened to them, but theirs an easter egg for you.

Actually, during the long sequence of cutscenes, one of the traitorous Braves mentioned that they detained or subdued "loyal" or Scion-supporting Braves, so he may be referring to that as well.

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Originally Posted by Matrinka

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I doubt she faked it since she was ready to set the plan in motion long before. Back in 2.3 (2.4?), she's agonizing over her choice on what could be a big change to Ul'dah forever and she knew that Raubahn would probably not be able to handle the changes by himself. She was ready to make her decision and confided in the Warrior of Light about it since she knows that you helped Raubahn many times. She was going to step down from the throne, so she'd have no more political clout to use.

Also, that bit with people using glamours seems just too far fetched and just too convenient

http://i.imgur.com/kr6mq8Q.png

^Another spoiler my wife found.

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Originally Posted by KodiHivaer

http://i.imgur.com/kr6mq8Q.png

^Another spoiler my wife found.

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Sounds like our eye-patched friend in the Braves is trying to keep quite a few of them at bay for our sake. Good to know we still have friends there too.

Fufulupa says that he's been order to detain the WoL though he didn't get the exact specifics

Finally got to the end of the story and didn't read this whole thread to see if this has been mentioned yet. But it has to do with some of the class quests. Specifically some of the crafting class quests and certain npc appearances in them.

Now that the Sulatana...

...is dead it's going to make for some confusing quests if you do them after completing the 2.55 story.. I think she's referenced in more but off the top of my head, in the goldsmiths class quests you are making jewelry for her as if she's still alive. Then in the culinarian quest she makes an actual appearance along with Lolorito. You have to cook some dishes for her. Would be weird seeing her back from the dead just to taste your cooking. Wonder how SE plans to handle this, if at all?

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Originally Posted by Ulathskullsplitter

Finally got to the end of the story and didn't read this whole thread to see if this has been mentioned yet. But it has to do with some of the class quests. Specifically some of the crafting class quests and certain npc appearances in them.

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Yes it is mentioned on practicly every page. i'd imagine they didn't revamp those questlines now because that would have confirmed the already obvious fate of that certain NPC. Just assume those quests happened in the past.

As for sylph magic: I doub't that. I'm pretty sure every body double and fake person would revert into sylph form after poisoned, cut in half or dismembered.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Sounds like our eye-patched friend in the Braves is trying to keep quite a few of them at bay for our sake. Good to know we still have friends there too.

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To me it doesn't look like Riol talked to that specific Brave, but that she's too afraid to confront us.

I think I know the question on everyone's mind...

Is Pipin really adopted?

Hmmmmm!

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Originally Posted by Nikita

I think I know the question on everyone's mind...

Is Pipin really adopted?

Hmmmmm!

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He's probably the prince of Ala Mhigo, knowing SE's love of easily foreseeable twists. That or Nanamo's brother, making him the possible Sultan in the future.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

He's probably the prince of Ala Mhigo, knowing SE's love of easily foreseeable twists. That or Nanamo's brother, making him the possible Sultan in the future.

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My bet is that he's from Nanamo's bloodline, yes.

I would say in regards to the obvious bloopers like the cooking quest that they'll do one of 3 things later on.

1) leave it as it is stating everything quest wise including and up to lvl50 is considered pre 2.55.

2) They recon it to correct for the changes.

3) They add a quest fork so that if your before the final 2.55 campaign when you start them quests you get the current quest chain or if your on the heavensward msq onwards you get a new alternate quest chain with the same rewards but different events.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Sounds like our eye-patched friend in the Braves is trying to keep quite a few of them at bay for our sake. Good to know we still have friends there too.

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It's a possibility, but I'm thinking ordered translates to Yugiri and co having a few choice words with them while holding a blade to their throats. Or he was in of the crowd when the WoL and Hoary Boulder (was it?) sparred on the plains just outside Mor Dhona, and doesn't relish the thought of us wiping the floor with him in a similar fashion.

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

My bet is that he's from Nanamo's bloodline, yes.

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There may already be some supporting lore. Could be nothing, could be really important.

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Originally Posted by Natsuno

It's a possibility, but I'm thinking ordered translates to Yugiri and co having a few choice words with them while holding a blade to their throats.

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Hell yeah. The doman ninjas are quite active since 2.4
But the mun toy merchant is still the best.

Others involed in plot

Is Momodi involved as she asks you to hold on to the poison, or is it she is just worried of you being late to the celebration

No, I doubt Momodi was involved, I think it was more along the lines of "Yuck! You picked up a dirty half empty vial at a train station?! What's wrong with you?! I don't want that you keep it!" then "Heh heh heh, why don't you hold onto it...for now...heh heh heh."

I'm still curious about how Alisaie knew what was going down in Ul'Dah. How did she know to get the traveling merchant to Alphinaud in order to rescue him?

Best guess is that Alisaie was keeping tabs on Alphinaud much like he was for her during the Coil story arc, however I would've liked to see that in cut scenes through out the story, just like we saw Alphinaud spying on Alisaie; but I'm assuming thats how they knew, also Alisaie works with Urianger on the regular, so there is a good chance that they spoke about it.